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Originally posted by GodshipForAll
I despise the english blood running in my vains, Love the Scottish blood and proud of the Canadian I am.
Originally posted by kerrichin
im british (quarter scotish, quarter welsh and half english)
im proud of my heritage but im certainly not proud of the empire we had because it was an empire funded by oppession and slavery.
when i think of englads emire i think of all the senceless murder.
Originally posted by runetang
What's truly sad is ..
At the near-peak of the British Empire's oh-so massive power, according to these Brits on here talking it up, they still got beat badly by the Colonists in North America TWICE, in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.
Yes, you sacked Washington D.C., but we burnt YORK to the ground, and the city which sprouted in its' place is now known as Toronto, and it is there even to this day.
I live 10 minutes drive from the house (called the Moore house) right beside the last Revolutionary Battlefield at Yorktown where Cornwallace surrendered and signed terms to George Washington.
Allow me to say that Cornwallace made a giant strategic GAFFE by fortifying the area of Yorktown, on the Peninsula, trapped by the Sea and two massive Rivers. The French came and blockaded like the good, freedom loving folks that they are, and then we took it to that assss on the battlefield. Yes, mere colonists, undisciplined tradesman and farmers, politicians and mere boys, yes, we developed new tactics against your old tactics of stand and deliver. These same tactics have been applied against our very own armies in this modern age (Iraq/Afghanistan).
And this is the most patriotic you will ever hear me sounding :-D
Originally posted by kerrichin
reply to post by Essan
it still doent make it ok, and people that celebrate the fact their empire in away are for the slavery that founded it
Originally posted by kerrichin
the empire may have gone on after slavery ended but generally we were still telling other people how to think and how they should live there lives and using people from these other cultures as cheap labour.
how would you like it if some came to your house and planted a flag and said you live differently to me so your a savage or below us oh and by the way im taking your land.
because in lamest terms thats what generally happened nommatter how much anyone glamerises it.
Westminister also has the power to veto most of what the Scottish parliament does if it's not to London's liking. We do not have full control, and in my opinion a country's parliament should be free to govern as it sees fit (in a civilized way of course) without the interference of another.
I never claimed that no English died, but you can't deny the tactic of "send out the scruff" before risking English lives. It happened.
I despise the english blood running in my vains, Love the Scottish blood and proud of the Canadian I am.
Originally posted by kerrichin
the empire may have gone on after slavery ended but generally we were still telling other people how to think
and how they should live there lives and using people from these other cultures as cheap labour.
how would you like it if some came to your house and planted a flag and said you live differently to me so your a savage or below us oh and by the way im taking your land.
because in lamest terms thats what generally happened nommatter how much anyone glamerises it.
Originally posted by jakyll
I agree that you should.
But no one from Westminster can veto the Scottish Parliament because no English person holds a seat there.Unlike with ours where Scottish and Welsh politicians still have seats and therefore have a say with what goes on with the English Government.
Originally posted by jakyll
I am proud of what the British Empire has achieved,i'm not proud of the blood shed and the lives lost,but neither am i ashamed of it.I cannot change the past,i can only help to make the future a better place.
Yes, mere colonists, undisciplined tradesman and farmers, politicians and mere boys, yes, we developed new tactics against your old tactics of stand and deliver. These same tactics have been applied against our very own armies in this modern age
The problem is that nowadays people seem to be taught only to be ashamed of the bad things and not even told about the good things. And you're right, we cannot change the past no matter what some ignorant fools today might like.
What's more important? Apologising because our ancestors did something which today we find abhorrent? Or stopping others from doing the same thing today?
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Tynee, Funny looking or not we are still on top of the pile and will be for the foreseable future. The people of the UK are the most warlike people on this Planet, I don't gloat over that fact its just the truth, thats why the perps who run the show have their home here. They know that at a moments notice they can set us lose if need be where everywhere else they would have to have a sit down and think about it or vote on it.