Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
as dreams are multi-dimensional, and span a spectrum, as consciousness we cannot experience all the layers in the singularity of oneness which out
spans our linear model of consciousness.
What are you implying by the term "multi-dimensional" here? Again, if you are attempting to persuade me into believing in eternally invisible
deities, realities, or otherwise, it will not happen and you should know that it is a flawed methodology and whether known or unknown by its user, it
is the worst and the only algorithm of deception in the universe.
However, the pictures however debunkable, represent a visual marking of a systematic approach towards precognition which allowed for the
influenced event of altering a dream, before it comes true, to provide a visual end result of the study.
Yes, as I said and as it is, we dream only of the 3d energetic reality. (3 dimensions being height, width, depth, and their forces interacting to
create change which we measure as time). I say 3d "energetic", because energy is known to not be static as evidenced by these posts, thus by default
saying a 3d "energetic" reality describes the nature of change through the use of the term energy. Energy is not still and time and space are one.
Since time and space are one we have to, as a society and as a scientific community, make up our minds whether we want to call the universe 3d or 4d.
To call it 4d we are then separating time from space, to know it as 3d, we are then again acknowledging the unity of time/space. Whatever is of space,
is of time and whatever is of time is of space.
Having precognition, or even changing a precognitive dream
See, to me a precognitive dream is anything from simply setting a goal and envisioning what you want, to dreaming and waking up and then pursuing that
dream, which is then chasing a goal from a vision again.
is not the constant in my life, and rather is the experiment towards understanding this relationship in a way that makes sense.
I'd disagree. It is the constant in all of our lives given my above explanation of what precognition is. Your experiment towards understanding the
relationship so that you can make sense of it, is a precognitive constant at this moment because you have yet to make sense of it. So you are
envisioning a goal and attempting to accomplish it. When and if you do, and if you do is correctly, you will have successfully fulfilled the vision of
a striven for precognition.
A difficult task given the fact we are all competing for experiences, and there are counterbalancing forces, and roadblocks along the way. No
one said any of it will be easy. And in the end, what merit is the research and the results?
The merit of the research and the results is that we are all precognitive yet we can not all manifest our precognitive realities either because A.) we
are not familiar with what is REAL and can actually be achieved through the material world of the sciences, or B.) because there are so many others
also competing for their own precognitive dreams to come true.
On individuality, as in, the individual soul, we have to identify with the personality development that is going on, in so much to agree that
despite being one, we are also infused into personality that creates our sense of individuality.
But we must come to a common, logical understanding of what an individual "soul" is. We can not have individual eternal souls because there is only
enough time and space for one eternity, the Eternal Being. However, we do (as the Eternal Being divided) each have individual bodies with unique
sensory reception and perception.
The analogy I like to use, as it metaphorically appears in Physics is light passing through a prism. White light represents the one being, and
it passes into a prism (3rd dimensionality) and becomes a hue of color ranges, thus layered and appearing separate. As it passes through another
prism, it becomes white light again.
And that as we pass back through we do not lose our color. We realize that we are simultaneously the unity of white light and the many hues of colors
that it is.
On your point that dreams are chemically induced hallucinations, I couldn’t disagree more. They are still directed by thought, and have a
deliberate structure and reality guided by the part of us, which is the dreamer. They are invoked with intelligence and emotion, and have substance of
experiential reality. The physical analogy of chemical reactions can apply to your physical sensation of reality… it is also a chemical reaction in
the mind. Both realities [Physical and Non-Physical] are chemically induced, so do we call all of this one big hallucination?
You COULD. But we decipher the difference between hallucination and normality between what we are "normally" with no chemical intake and what we
experience with chemical interjection. I agree, when we dream it is still based in reality as I have mentioned, however, the chemicals being released
by the brain help to create the more wild imaginations.
We certainly are not a spider in our conscious development, but indirectly we are the spider in the connection to the whole.
Yes. In the whole we are the spider, but I know of no planets that will undergo the scenario that you projected because this planet has more than just
spiders on it. It's fairly balanced.
As for quality of life, we are desperately in need of evolving past this current mess of affairs that the world is in. Technology may indeed
free us, but right now, it enslaves us, and could ultimately destroy us all; case in point: Nuclear war.
As for the death cycle, certainly we will break down and our bodies will biodegrade back into the food chain, and ecosystem. However, we will
emerge from that breakdown into another state by which we then continue,
This is the fundamental flaw. The Eternal Being's individuality is only experience because of individual sensory bodies. It is split up and
experiences itself from many different localities and modes of perceptions, but also one Eternal perception simultaneously when we bring together our
knowledge of the objective universe: real science (maths etc.).
WE, do not emerge again, WE are not individual souls. WE are bodies as a vessel for the Eternal Soul (Being, Existence, Consciousness), our bodies die
and recycle into many different parts and are scattered into many different things, there is nothing about US as individuals that lives on eternally
to reincarnate. There is the Eternal Being, the Eternal Energy that will constantly cycle and re-cycle, in doing so it is incarnation and
reincarnating itself, but the element of multiple eternal individualities and their reincarnations is a farce. There are eternally multiple finite
but will still struggle in a sense of individuality, despite being also this eternal being.
It's because we don't truly have individuality, that's an illusion. What we have is interconnected bodies with interconnected sensory organs that
give the Eternal Being the illusion of individuality and independence through the many perceptions of each, but we can bring those perceptions
together so that our unique perception can know and see more of the Eternal (or everyone else's) perception.
What in some regards intimidates me is what we are saying about an eternal being experiencing everything, everywhere at once. Which means,
“we” may ultimately recycle into every conceivable experience, which I am unsure if I really desire it.
No. It means that we already have. Time is not only eternal forward, but also backward. You've never lived or died before as the individual that you
We only receive knowledge through our senses while we experience life here. Anyone saying that they have memories of times before their life here is
saying that they have an individual eternal soul, and if so then we should ALL have the SAME memory that you have.
If you can logically and scientifically explain to me how one can tap into history's information (memories) without it first being subject to the
senses via video, text etc., then I'll agree that you have memories of past lives and in doing so it should also unlock my memories.
However that is speculation, perhaps the individuality of the oneness is already how we all experienced it to begin with. That is very much an
unknown to me.
The Eternal One has no other Eternity which it can know, because there is only time and space for one eternity. It is not an individual, it is alone,
but omnipresent, it is an immeasurable singularity, it is singular, yet all encompassing and eternal, it knows its one eternal self only through its
one eternal self.
[edit on 21-10-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]