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A follow up to Joe the Plumber story I posted yesterday: McCain apologizes

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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A follow up to Joe the Plumber story I posted yesterday: McCain apologizes


www.examiner.com

ohn McCain owes more than today's apology to Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, the Ohio plumber who is suffering needlessly because McCain heedlessly used him as a political prop in the third debate.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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Evidently McCain issued an apology today to "Joe the Plumber" for his use of him without his permission in Wednesday's debate.

As the article I posted last night stated, "Joe the Plumber" got some embarrassing scrutiny.

It would be nice if the people politicians hold up for our attention really are the people they say they are.

www.examiner.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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From the same article:



As a consequence of his overexposure during the debate, "Joe the Plumber" became the overnight object of investigation for the naturally curious press. A basic background check readily revealed that the plumber is unlicensed in the Toledo area, which has caused the local government to put him out of business. This only adds to his financial woes, including a tax lien.



The guy lost his job over this...wow. Looks like the whole business was shut down. I think what happened to Joe the Plumber is just terrible.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Clark W. Griswold]


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[edit on 10/18/2008 by Hal9000]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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Just an example of how powerful the media is. Ruined a man in 24hours for questioning Obama.

Why do people still listen to them????



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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Errrr....in a word, Huh???

Sen. John McCain invoked this guy's name, in the Debate...21 TIMES!!!

It was a 'talking point' given to him, by his operatives.

And you want to blame the 'media'?????

It wasn't the 'MEDIA' who discovered this man....it was the 'squirrels' in the GOP who think they 'advise' McCain....desparate 'squirrels' who are just rabidly searching for nuts, to store until November.....



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 05:26 AM
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This is the first I've heard about this and I can't believe anybody could try to blame this on the media. Joe the Plumber, who claimed he would be 'hurt' by Obama's tax policies turns out to have a tax lien against him? He claims he has enough money to buy a business that would give him a nett income of over $250K per year, but he can't or won't pay the taxes he owes now.

That right there is the problem with Republican tax policies. They're written to benefit the already wealthy, at the expense of the middle class. They can't see that easing up on the middle class' tax burden would make it easier for Joe the Plumber to reach the point where he can buy his own business faster, and maybe not have tax liens against him along the way. Or they can see it fine but don't really care.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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Given his current economic condition, and him losing his job, I bet Obama's proposal to help people in his situation is sounding much better to him.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 05:53 AM
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We'll all get our turn as Joe the Plummer if we don't assimilate immediately.

This is unreal. I simply cannot believe how insane and ga-ga the media and The One's supporters are. Totally embarrassing and really, really scary.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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This is not about Joe per-se. THis about a man that was beat to hell for questioning Obama. Everyone is so focused on "Joe" and they are missing the point entirely. Obama's answer of him wanting to spread the wealth around so those behind can be better off. This all on the media to distract all of you from Obamas answer by focusing on Joe!

When McCain brought Joe up in the debate, everyone got focused on the one actual man instead of the generic "average Joe." This was spun so well that nearly everyone missed the point of Joe just being a symbol.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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That's ashame, but that's what you get for daring to question the great BO, the choosen one. LOL. I mean how dare this mier person question the all mighty BO. According to his minions (the press) he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's god himself. I just hope more people wake the H up and see that BO is not the savior he's playing himself to be.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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The fact, is that McCain used this specific person to illustrate a point, that Obama's tax plan would harm the average "Joe". The point he made however, was a fraudulent one. Just like Joe was a fraudulent plumber.

It appears to me, that McCain was beginning to realize that people were not continuing to buy his attacks on Obama's tax plan, because his statements and figures were simply pulled from thin air, or were outright lies (like the 42k/year tax hike). So, McCain decides to put a human face to his rhetoric, hoping people would blindly fall in line. Poor Joe was just the fall guy. I really can't understand why McCain did this. How could he have not expected the media to check into this guy. The facts call both Joe and McCain liars, as do I.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Chance321
That's ashame, but that's what you get for daring to question the great BO, the choosen one. LOL. I mean how dare this mier person question the all mighty BO. According to his minions (the press) he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's god himself. I just hope more people wake the H up and see that BO is not the savior he's playing himself to be.


Wow, the ignorance in this post is appalling. Nobody "got" anything for questioning Obama. He was exposed as a liar and a fraud because McCain, yes McCain decided to use a human being for a campaign stunt. For all intents and purposes, Joe became part of the campaign staff. Joe's status as a plumber was a lie. Joe's income situation was a lie. Joe's political affiliation was a lie. Joes intent to buy the plumbing business he 'worked for' was a lie. Sounds like the guy already has his foot in the door for a career in politics.

The guy was a right-wing radio host. An independent contractor without a plumbing license. A guy who's so concerned about his taxes, that he hasn't paid them. So, when a candidate for president, in the most important election, arguably in the history of our country, props the guy up as a tool for his campaign and an example of how the other candidates policies are going to hurt me, the little guy, it better hold water. But guess what... it didn't. So please, post factually, and use a little common sense in doing so.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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John McCain's campaign chose to use Joe as an example of a person who would be hurt by Obama's tax plan.

The RNC decided to make "spread the wealth around" fear of "Socialism" a talking point for the McCain campaign and again used Joe to make their point.

McCain himself apologizes for invading Joe's privacy.

And yet somehow some of you translate those facts into Barack Obama destroys Joe the Plumber when all Barack Obama did was answer the question posed by Joe.

The RNC made this a big deal not Obama or the media!

In my opinion YOU are trying to use Joe just one more time in another lame attempt to to tell just one more lie that Obama destroyed Joe! How low can you go??? I know even lower in the coming weeks!!



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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[SNIP] check this out.Joe the plumber is legal or I should say registered to be a plumber. And saint obama's shown that if you dare question him, you'll be destroyed.

 


edited out personal attack

Courtesy is mandatory

[edit on 18/10/08 by masqua]



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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If Joe makes 250k or more a year he's no more an average plumber than I am the Emperor of China.

McCain's campaign is comitting a deception by suggesting that Obama's plan would hurt an "average Joe". And as it turns out, the particular JTP issue was moot to begin with.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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Wait, so McCain uses this guy but it's Obama's fault that everything McCain said was a lie? How does that make sense? How is it Obama's fault that McCain couldn't speak the truth?



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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McCain's pre-prepared 'talking-points' obviously included this "Joe"guy....who obviously was not properly 'vetted' before being thrown out as GOP 'chum' just in time for the last 'debate'.

THEN!!! After it blew up in their faces, they (the GOP) try to spin it around to blame Obama!!!!!

It is truly despicable, yet strangely familiar....harking back to 2004, ans 2000....(SNIFF? I smell some Karl Rove here! But, it's old, so time to throw it away!)



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 07:12 AM
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Karl Rove was trying to create a permanent Republican majority. Oops, that went downhill after the GOP screwed up everything. They had complete and total rule of every thing for 6 years and everything went to hell. Either Obama needs to win or the Dems need to get enough of a majority to override a McCain Veto or this country is doomed.




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