Obama Vows To Change The World

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Does anyone else find the rhetoric frightening?

A lot of people do.


Cuba got “change” in 1959.

DUKE University on Castro

Castro a "rare oratorical virtuosity." - who’s speeches were described as ‘bordering on the magical’ promised major social, economic and political reforms. The major issue was social justice. Castro proved to be a persuasive and moving speaker, and a man who had the affection and support of the population.

From DUKE –SPOOKY information on Castro’s true philosophy of change that he called ‘revolution’.

… collective needs rank higher than individual rights, revolutionary consciousness should motivate not money, selflessness is a positive value greed is not, the state can make rational choices the market is irrational, an underdeveloped country should be more concerned with production rather than consumerism, political needs precede economic rationality, mass political participation is more important than political choice, unity is necessary and superior to a plurality of views, central control is preferable to administrative autonomy, mass mobilization is more important than administrative methods, direct contact with the population by the political leadership is a true measure of democracy, equality and justice takes precedence over individual civil and political rights. It is on the basis of such ranking that decisions have been made, and a new society created.

To get this revolutionary change bad thngs happen when people don’t want to change in Cuba. Again from DUKE university -

If persuasion does not work, then the law, and the mass mobilization of intolerance assures unity through imposed public uniformity.? In such a milieu neither political diversity, nor authenticity or honesty can flourish. Consequently, to question, dissent or oppose revolutionary policies inexorably lead to the charge of treason

watch the video


hmmmmm .... mobilization to intolerance of those who refuse to change.

Edited immediately to fix link.


[edit on 10/22/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by gypsy1035
What are others' ideas on this subject?

Since you asked - I think you could be a mole for the far left.
A false flag post.
Sorry if you aren't.
But I seriously think that you could be.

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A few points:

1 - I do not find it frightening. I hope he does change the world, or at least change the US. We have become a nation that openly tortures, openly imprisons people without charge for indefinite times, openly starts wars of aggression and openly embraces flagrant corporate and political corruption.

Personally, I don't care much for any of that. We need a change.

2 - Again the "Obama is Messiah" claims (not necessarily the OP). I have yet to hear an Obama supporter make these claims - they mostly seem to come from the Obama-phobes.


Are the changes likely to be implemented by Obama guaranteed to be wonderful and problem free? Hardly. No thinking person believes so. However, I for one believe it is possible for those changes to be positive. I may be wrong...

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
We will be known as the United Socialist States of America.

This motto is becoming rough around the edges due to much use and not too much substance. In my view, people who are using it do not know much about socialism at all. Raising tax margin on incomes over 250k socialism does not make.

On the other hand, that McCain proposes to buy out mortgages from people who default on those is an example of rabid communism. So Obama=socialist? Puh-leeze.

Edit to add:

regarding the OP -- studies show that worker productivity in the US grew substantially in the past 15 years, yet real term incomes fell. Does anybody see anything wrong with that? That alone needs fixing and well, changing. Whatever Obama does to the end, I applaud.




[edit on 22-10-2008 by buddhasystem]

Originally posted by buddhasystem
In my view, people who are using it do not know much about socialism at all.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Half the people who are calling Obama a Socialist don't even know what it means! The other half know but don't care that they are entirely inaccurate! It's the new buzz word and by God, they'll damn well call Obama anything if they think it makes people think twice about voting for him.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
McCain proposes to buy out mortgages from people who default on those is an example of rabid communism.

I haven't seen that, but if it is as you say then that is absolutely socialism/communism. So is Biden's proposal that the principal amount of a 'bad' loan be flexible and can be paid off by the gov't.

Both Obama and McCain propose 'changes'. Instead of these so called 'changes', (most of which are just recycled failures from days past and/or failing countries) we need to 'go back'. BACK to the Constitution.

It won't happen. Both of the main candidates are corrupt and completely influenced by the real powers of in the world. But what we need is to go back instead of faux-change. This is one time that backwards is the correct way to go. BACK to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by buddhasystem
McCain proposes to buy out mortgages from people who default on those is an example of rabid communism.

I haven't seen that, but if it is as you say then that is absolutely socialism/communism.

If you haven't seen this, please take time to educate yourself. Mind you, there might be some merit in this plan, but I don't like it. What I don't like at all is McCain's being in a complete moral bankruptcy -- you can't decry "socialism" today and proceed to support housing in this country, Soviet style (trust me I know what'm talking about). Sheesh, have the moral fiber to go one way or another.

Why does BH ALWAYS have to be the voice of reason and sanity in these HACK JOB SMEAR THREADS?!?!?!?!

OP....you clipped

THREE WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT....

And somehow that allows you to equate Obama to a Nazi?? You are deplorable.

This thread is nothing more than a out of context political baiting thread. Beginning to end. You took three words....and made a "thread".

It's sad really that you feel the need to try and do these kind of things to help a lost cause. Do you really think....even in the spirit of patriotism (that the right DOES NOT have a monopoly on)....that a educated American is really dense enough to buy into this kind of inflammatory rhetoric?!?!?!?

How does being smart make you an elitist?
How does being black make him Muslim?
How does wanting people to have a fair chance make one a socialist?

AND HOW IN THE HELL DOES ONE BECOME A NAZI FOR WANTING TO MAKE THE WORLD BETTER?!?!?!!?

Edit to add: Flagged this thread....I hope everyone and their grandma read this crap.


[edit on 22-10-2008 by Grafilthy]

Originally posted by Grafilthy
Why does BH ALWAYS have to be the voice of reason and sanity in these HACK JOB SMEAR THREADS?!?!?!?!

[off topic]
I happen to know that BH is a spectacularly unique and honorable individual, and way smarter than the average bear. That's why...

Apologies for the digression...
[/off topic]

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Obama Vows To Change The Worldl

Barack Obama has vowed that he will "change the world" even as he urged his supporters to guard against complacency.

Does anyone else find the rhetoric frightening? First you see pictures in video games that look like old time nazi propaganda and now this? I have never been one to tie Obama together with the antichrist or nazis, but the words coming out of his mouth are starting to genuinely frighten me.



[edit on 10/17/2008 by AndrewTB]

I don't know, how did you feel when George Bush, Sr. orated eloquently about the New World Order?

Most politicians vying for positions of high power vow to do something dramatic while in office, and especially now in this time of tension and conflict, not just here but worldwide.

Yes I believe one of first thing that will happen is him changing his name to"Chairman Obama" and the one world one government may come to pass,perhaps one religion not too far off scary thought,I sure hope I'm wrong my children are still young,and my grandson is only 4,who knows they might even strip me of my Mason ring

Like almost every reasonable poster above has said, every President vows to change the world, and every President does change the world. Hello, he's the leader of the powerhouse nation of the planet.

Let's look at the "status quo" of government in the past decade:

-soaring deficits
-socialized losses, privatized gains
-inflation
-stagnant income growth
-increased unemployment
-rich getting richer, poor getting poorer
-higher energy prices
-two wars abroad
-loss of respect globally
-increased domestic partisanship

So can someone, anyone, please tell me why change is a bad thing right now?

Please, can anyone tell me why change scares you when the list above doesn't? Do you like the way the nation's going? Can you seriously tell me that McCain is going to fix these problems?

The thing I've noticed with these smear threads: it doesn't matter who or what Obama is or who or what he stands for; he's a DEMOCRAT. And no matter what he could do to better this country, since he's a Democrat, he's evil and he's going to destroy this nation. It's so painfully, obviously partisan it makes my eyes bleed. I think I'll flag this thread just so people can see how fear and loathing can twist the truth.

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your view of what the democrats stand for is really skewed. The chinese dont even believe in socialism the marxist way anymore. Nor does russia.

democratic social policies are not the same thing as "socialism", no moderrn indutrialized nation goes for all out socialism.

its funny the usa has one of the lowestrates of tax on its citizens but they still complain. In europe people pay much higher taxes but dont complain as much. I think its becuase they see their tax money at work.

interesting article for you www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by yeti101
its funny the usa has one of the lowestrates of tax on its citizens but they still complain. In europe people pay much higher taxes but dont complain as much. I think its becuase they see their tax money at work.

I think this hits close to an issue, here. We in the US don't see much benefit for any taxes we pay... the roads are falling apart, schools suck, community libraries are dying, hospitals are a great place to die, and on and on.

I personally would not mind taxes if they were spent on something worth while. But they aren't, not here.

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

I personally would not mind taxes if they were spent on something worth while. But they aren't, not here.

Yes they are OMS.......

We bought a whole country!! It's a little busted, and could use a little TLC....
You just wait till Disneyland Baghdad opens! We could ride the IED coaster together!
How's that NOT worth while?

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

2 - Again the "Obama is Messiah" claims (not necessarily the OP). I have yet to hear an Obama supporter make these claims - they mostly seem to come from the Obama-phobes.

Oh yah? Look at what was filmed in San Francisco yesterday:

"Votive Early, Votive Often"



[edit on 22-10-2008 by MatrixProphet]

Wrong button...

sorry.


[edit on 22-10-2008 by Open_Minded Skeptic]

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by AndrewTB

 

A few points:

1 - I do not find it frightening. I hope he does change the world, or at least change the US. We have become a nation that openly tortures,

That's not true

openly imprisons people without charge for indefinite times,

Once again, untrue.

openly starts wars of aggression

We end wars of aggression and murderous regimes.

and openly embraces flagrant corporate and political corruption.

Yes, and Barack Obama and Chris Dodd, the two biggest recipients of FNMA donations, in cahoots with Franklyn Raines and Jim Johnson, two of their political advisors who managed to scam over $100 million from Fannie Mae, along with Barney Frank and his lover Herb Moses, Jamie Gorelick and others, are responsible for this current mess we are in.

Obama’s Million Dollar Men From Fannie Mae - Who Are Franklin Raines, Tim Howard and Jim Johnson - How Big Were The Golden Parachutes - UPDATED

Not to mention Obama's corrupt relationship with ACORN.

Personally, I don't care much for any of that. We need a change.

Obama will give you "change", alright!

Are the changes likely to be implemented by Obama guaranteed to be wonderful and problem free? Hardly. No thinking person believes so. However, I for one believe it is possible for those changes to be positive. I may be wrong...

You will get the government you deserve!

Originally posted by jsobecky
That's not true

Hogwash. Ever hear of waterboarding?

Once again, untrue.

Hogwash. Ever hear of Gitmo?

We end wars of aggression and murderous regimes.

Hogwash. Ever hear of Iraq?

You will get the government you deserve!

Bloody well time. I've had 8 years of the government you deserve, and I've had about enough of it. Obama may or may not be a leader of a government I deserve. McCain will not be, that is certain.

Edit to fix typo

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Open_Minded Skeptic]

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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Hogwash. Ever hear of waterboarding?

Yes I have. And nothwithstanding the fact that sources are divided on whether waterboarding is torture, the fact that we have used it on 3 terrorists including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed does not constitute the US being "a nation that openly tortures".

Plus, Bush signed an EO last summer outlawing torture. But that was conveniently omitted, I see.

Hogwash. Ever hear of Gitmo?

Yes. Ever hear of enemy combatants?

Hogwash. Ever hear of Iraq?

Yes. Thank you for making my point.

You will get the government you deserve!