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reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:16 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by AndrewTB
Does anyone else find the rhetoric frightening?

A lot of people do.


Cuba got “change” in 1959.

DUKE University on Castro

Castro a "rare oratorical virtuosity." - who’s speeches were described as ‘bordering on the magical’ promised major social, economic and political reforms. The major issue was social justice. Castro proved to be a persuasive and moving speaker, and a man who had the affection and support of the population.

From DUKE –SPOOKY information on Castro’s true philosophy of change that he called ‘revolution’.

… collective needs rank higher than individual rights, revolutionary consciousness should motivate not money, selflessness is a positive value greed is not, the state can make rational choices the market is irrational, an underdeveloped country should be more concerned with production rather than consumerism, political needs precede economic rationality, mass political participation is more important than political choice, unity is necessary and superior to a plurality of views, central control is preferable to administrative autonomy, mass mobilization is more important than administrative methods, direct contact with the population by the political leadership is a true measure of democracy, equality and justice takes precedence over individual civil and political rights. It is on the basis of such ranking that decisions have been made, and a new society created.


To get this revolutionary change bad thngs happen when people don’t want to change in Cuba. Again from DUKE university -

If persuasion does not work, then the law, and the mass mobilization of intolerance assures unity through imposed public uniformity.? In such a milieu neither political diversity, nor authenticity or honesty can flourish. Consequently, to question, dissent or oppose revolutionary policies inexorably lead to the charge of treason


watch the video


hmmmmm .... mobilization to intolerance of those who refuse to change.

Edited immediately to fix link.


[edit on 10/22/2008 by FlyersFan]


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:51 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by AndrewTB



A few points:

1 - I do not find it frightening. I hope he does change the world, or at least change the US. We have become a nation that openly tortures, openly imprisons people without charge for indefinite times, openly starts wars of aggression and openly embraces flagrant corporate and political corruption.

Personally, I don't care much for any of that. We need a change.

2 - Again the "Obama is Messiah" claims (not necessarily the OP). I have yet to hear an Obama supporter make these claims - they mostly seem to come from the Obama-phobes.


Are the changes likely to be implemented by Obama guaranteed to be wonderful and problem free? Hardly. No thinking person believes so. However, I for one believe it is possible for those changes to be positive. I may be wrong...



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:15 AM by chickenshoes
Originally posted by AndrewTB
Obama Vows To Change The Worldl


Barack Obama has vowed that he will "change the world" even as he urged his supporters to guard against complacency.




Does anyone else find the rhetoric frightening? First you see pictures in video games that look like old time nazi propaganda and now this? I have never been one to tie Obama together with the antichrist or nazis, but the words coming out of his mouth are starting to genuinely frighten me.



[edit on 10/17/2008 by AndrewTB]


I don't know, how did you feel when George Bush, Sr. orated eloquently about the New World Order?

Most politicians vying for positions of high power vow to do something dramatic while in office, and especially now in this time of tension and conflict, not just here but worldwide.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 02:53 PM by yeti101
reply to post by redhatty



your view of what the democrats stand for is really skewed. The chinese dont even believe in socialism the marxist way anymore. Nor does russia.

democratic social policies are not the same thing as "socialism", no moderrn indutrialized nation goes for all out socialism.

its funny the usa has one of the lowestrates of tax on its citizens but they still complain. In europe people pay much higher taxes but dont complain as much. I think its becuase they see their tax money at work.

interesting article for you www.bbc.co.uk...


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 04:02 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



I personally would not mind taxes if they were spent on something worth while. But they aren't, not here.

Yes they are OMS.......

We bought a whole country!! It's a little busted, and could use a little TLC....
You just wait till Disneyland Baghdad opens! We could ride the IED coaster together!
How's that NOT worth while?


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 04:42 PM by MatrixProphet
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



2 - Again the "Obama is Messiah" claims (not necessarily the OP). I have yet to hear an Obama supporter make these claims - they mostly seem to come from the Obama-phobes.


Oh yah? Look at what was filmed in San Francisco yesterday:

"Votive Early, Votive Often"



[edit on 22-10-2008 by MatrixProphet]


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 05:28 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by AndrewTB



A few points:

1 - I do not find it frightening. I hope he does change the world, or at least change the US. We have become a nation that openly tortures,


That's not true


openly imprisons people without charge for indefinite times,


Once again, untrue.


openly starts wars of aggression


We end wars of aggression and murderous regimes.



and openly embraces flagrant corporate and political corruption.


Yes, and Barack Obama and Chris Dodd, the two biggest recipients of FNMA donations, in cahoots with Franklyn Raines and Jim Johnson, two of their political advisors who managed to scam over $100 million from Fannie Mae, along with Barney Frank and his lover Herb Moses, Jamie Gorelick and others, are responsible for this current mess we are in.

Obama’s Million Dollar Men From Fannie Mae - Who Are Franklin Raines, Tim Howard and Jim Johnson - How Big Were The Golden Parachutes - UPDATED

Not to mention Obama's corrupt relationship with ACORN.


Personally, I don't care much for any of that. We need a change.


Obama will give you "change", alright!


Are the changes likely to be implemented by Obama guaranteed to be wonderful and problem free? Hardly. No thinking person believes so. However, I for one believe it is possible for those changes to be positive. I may be wrong...


You will get the government you deserve!



reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 08:54 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Hogwash. Ever hear of waterboarding?


Yes I have. And nothwithstanding the fact that sources are divided on whether waterboarding is torture, the fact that we have used it on 3 terrorists including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed does not constitute the US being "a nation that openly tortures".

Plus, Bush signed an EO last summer outlawing torture. But that was conveniently omitted, I see.



Hogwash. Ever hear of Gitmo?


Yes. Ever hear of enemy combatants?



Hogwash. Ever hear of Iraq?


Yes. Thank you for making my point.

You will get the government you deserve!
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