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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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Yeah . . .it's kinda hard to claim 'oopsies-where'd-I-put-that' when you're talking about $1.2 billion.




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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WHOA!!!What just happened to the Dow?????

One minute futures up, then whamo!!!

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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Is today the day for Euro-pee-on crisis????

Or are we watching some reality sink in here???

After all.....didn't we send timmy over there????

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by freetree64
WHOA!!!What just happened to the Dow?????

One minute futures up, then whamo!!!

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Drahi killing the IMF rumor?

Or this BS :

In the week ending December 3, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 381,000, a decrease of 23,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 404,000. The 4-week moving average was 393,250, a decrease of 3,000 from the previous week's revised average of 396,250.

Looks good uh?

Well wait a minute...

The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 523,642 in the week ending December 3, an increase of 151,002 from the previous week.

So they ``adjusted`` the numbers by 138k! Only a 36% ``adjustment``...

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Had a flash notice about something to do with Ford?
2nd line...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Drahi killing the IMF rumor?



Stocks drop as ECB rules out Eurozone support


Stocks have fallen after the European Central Bank ruled out any substantial aid for any ailing and indebted eurozone states.

Stocks in France and Italy - two countries vulnerable to downgrades - fell 2.5% and 4.3%, respectively.

ECB President Mario Draghi unveiled new support measures for eurozone banks, but played down the prospect of any new financial support for governments.

The central bank cut interest rates to their historic low of 1%, as expected.

US shares both fell 1%. German shares were down 1.9%.

There had been speculation that the ECB may be preparing to bail out Italy if eurozone governments agree tough new limits on their borrowing and economic reforms.

But Mr Draghi seemingly ruled this out: "We have a treaty that says no monetary financing to governments."

The euro, which had risen following the announcement of the interest rate cut, fell more than a cent against the dollar while Mr Draghi was speaking.

The moves come ahead of a "do-or-die" Brussels summit of European Union heads to hammer out a deal on how to tackle the eurozone debt crisis, including a potential new treaty...

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Source

There had been rumours the ECB might be willing to lend to the IMF, which would then lend the funds to struggling members of the Eurozone. However the ECB today clearly stated that was not an option, as it would be against the spirit of the treaty.

-A little bit of common sense in the midst of the mayhem. Don't expect it to last long. I mean, look who's in charge:






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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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What a joke, the EU has become, first markets raises when the Fed is going to give support to the IMF, then fall when is not bailout cooking, then the ECB rumors of funding the IMF? then not funding at all?

What in the heck? it seems that is not funding to bailout at all.
No Fed money, no IMF money no ECB money not EU money no money for banks and no money for countries.
Really somebody needs to hired better economic advisers and accountants for the EU because this people have not clue about managing global budgets.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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So you doubt Merkozy? And you doubt European financial acumen / trustworthiness?

It gets worse:





posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Anyone watching CNBC right now? It's interesting.....



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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I'm at work . . . what are they on about?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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One of the money PTB is in the hot seat on 'the Hill'....

www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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The euro is dead within 24 hours. Bring it.



Time to die Euro. Next is Japan.

Might be less than 24 hours after all :
Last Minute Summit Mutiny Threatens The Future Of The Euro; And Why A Wholesale S&P Downgrade Of Europe Will Be Devastating

A day when everything that could go wrong for the euro and eurozone has just gotten worse. Hours away from the completion of the summit, whose failure will unleash a nuclear bomb of serial downgrades by S&P (let along expose frauds such as Sarkozy and Olli Rehn who claim, yet again, that the world will end a solution is found), The Telegraph writes that the summit is already in tatters after a rebellion and threats by Finland, Holland and Ireland are poised to scuttle the summit. Louise Armistead reports that 'Finland’s grand committee said decisions made by the ESM – the eurozone’s permanent bail-out fund set for launch in 2012 – had to remain unanimous, and not changed to the “qualified majority” that French president Nicolas Sarkozy and German chancellor Angela Merkel have agreed. The Finns are backed by the Netherlands, which fears proposals to withdraw veto powers from the ESM is an erosion of democracy and would make it vulnerable to funding bail-outs without recourse. Meanwhile, the Irish want to block plans for the “convergence and harmonisation” of the eurozone’s “corporate tax base”.


Lalala... bye bye Euro!
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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As expected...


And Scene: Europe Agrees To Disagree, Next Summit Date Set For March 2012 As David Cameron Kills Compromise


Not the headlines Gollum van Rompuy needed at 3:30 am CET, when he was scheduled to have a press conference:

- EU LEADERS AGREE THEY WILL REEXAMINE CEILING OF ESM BAILOUT FUND IN MARCH 2012 - EU DIPLOMAT via RTRS
- TREATY CHANGE LIKELY TO BE DONE AMONG EURO ZONE PLUS OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT NOT AT 27 - EU DIPLOMATS via RTRS
- EU LEADERS AGREED PERMANENT ESM BAILOUT FUND WILL NOT HAVE A BANKING LICENCE -- EU DIPLOMAT
- And the guilty party: An agreement at 27 fell through after British Prime Minister David Cameron demanded concessions that Germany and France were not willing to give, one of the officials said.


Translation: tomorrow's summit is as of now an epic failure. As for the Eurozone lasting through January 1 of 2012, let alone March... good luck.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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The euro is dead! YAY!

Let's now wait for SP downgrade of ALL OF EUROPE... Shall be fun to watch.

Italian bonds have been skyrocketing...

10 years bonds +0.6% on the yields in two days

This is huge.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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The 27 European Union, have failed to reach a new treaty, but have come up
with a new pact. The 17 Eurozone countries are now pushing for a treaty within
themselves. The 2 teir erope has .



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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It will still fail.

Moody's downgrades BNP Paribas's long-term ratings to Aa3, concluding review

The downgrade wars have begun!



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Okay so what is this going to mean? I haven't got time to read as I am on my way out.

They have agreed on a fiscal pact!

EU leaders agree fiscal pact, give up on treaty change



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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I think it is all pretense. They haven't got a clue.
It will drag like this forever, getting worse and worse, and only the biggest opportunists will have things their way. We already have global mob rule in all aspects.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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Moody's Downgrades Three French Banks


Ratings agency Moody's downgraded the debt of BNP Paribas, Societe Generale, and Credit Agricole on Friday, saying their creditworthiness was being hurt by the fragile operating environment for European banks.

Moody's cut its ratings on the long-term debt of BNP and Credit Agricole by one notch to Aa3, concluding reviews that began in June and were continued in September. Societe Generale's long-term debt was cut by one notch to A1.

The downgrades were driven by the increasing difficulties the banks were having in raising funding and the worsening economic outlook, Moody's said.


The beginning of a downgrade frenzy????



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