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posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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I was reading the following article that appeared a couple of days ago that discusses the possibilty of bonds being used as a way to bring in world government and a new world order. The argument goes that first there will be Euro bonds, then maybe 'western' bonds and finally 'world' bonds on the back of which world government will form. Below is a couple of paras, but the article itself is not long so worth a read for consideration. Personally I see some kind of collapse before there will be any world government and NWO, to make it sure and certain that there is no other alternative. Perhaps if debt is not forgiven, then it will be distributed globally through the likes of these world bonds which will enable the global economy to pick up growth again.


Are Conspiracy Theorists Right about a New World Order?




Are conspiracy theorists actually right this time around? It appears that the European Financial Stability Facility is becoming more and more desperate. Over the last few weeks, investors across the globe have witnessed mounting debt issues across all the major European economies.




However, now that Europe appears to be pulling its last few strings, European bonds may become a reality.

And therein lies the conspiracy theorists' worst nightmare. European bonds signifies one step closer to a New World Order. Given the tangential problems in the United States, what if "Western" bonds were created in a few years. Given the slowing growth in China, what if "World" bonds were created down the road? Eventually, we may have a world government that has supreme sovereignty and power over everyone.




posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Sounds like a new religion.

Do you believe in Bond?




posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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Italy, Spain, France and Belgium will each go to market this week to auction bonds worth billions of euros.


Monday 28 November
Belgium and Italy Bond Auctions
United States New Home Sales (Oct)
Tuesday 29 November
Italy Bond Auction
United States S&P/Case Shiller Home Price Index (Sep)
Eurogroup/Ecofin Meeting: European finance minsters will meet on Tuesday and Wednesday to debate changes to the EFSF, including plans to increase the leverage of the EFSF.
Wednesday 30 November
United States Chicago PMI (Nov)
Thursday 1 December
Global PMIs (Nov)
France and Spain Bond Auctions
United States ISM (Nov)
Friday 2 December
United States Non-Farm Payrolls (Nov)


Black Friday Shopping Like There Is No Tomorrow?

And for those who haven't just head over to CNBC: "Sales rose an estimated 6.6 percent to a record $11.4 billion on Black Friday, typically the busiest shopping day of the year for Americans, while the traffic at stores rose 5.1 percent, according to ShopperTrak.

This is happening despite the savings rate recently dropping to pre-Depressionary level, and despite revolving consumer credit (as in not cars and colleges), continuing to contract.

From Bloomberg: 'RETAIL GROUP SAYS SECOND-BEST BLACK FRIDAY WEEKEND WAS IN 2008."

The second best was in 2008... doesn't that tell you something?

Flair For The Drachma-tic: ICAP Preparing For Return Of Greek Currency

ICAP Testing Trades In Greek Drachma Against Dollar, Euro
ICAP has reloaded old drachma templates for spot foreign exchange and derivatives (NDFs)
ICAP Drachma Tests Are Only Precautionary
Drachma Currency Pairs Not Yet Launched For Trading, May Never Be Used - Execs
ICAP Testing Trades In Greek Drachma Against Dollar, Euro - Executives

Neat.

Goldman: "As The Endgame Approaches, The Rally In AAA-Euro Area Sovereign Bonds No Longer Seems Sustainable"

"For the same set of reasons, as the ‘end game’ approaches the rally in AAA-rated Euro area sovereign bonds (Germany’s especially) no longer seems sustainable and could reverse in coming weeks.


Bank of France's Noyer Speaks, Says Europe Is In A "True Financial Crisis"

Crisis Has Worsened Significantly
Market stress has intensified and Europe is in a “true financial crisis,”
Markets and some governments think the ECB should buy more govt debt

Well duh.

IMF Package Denial Sends ES And EURUSD Tumbling

'No Discussion Within G-7 Of Reported Large Package For Italy".

*MOFCOM'S CHEN: EU RESCUE FUNDING STILL FACES SHORTFALL :MOCZ CH

*MOFCOM'S CHEN: CHINA OBSERVING QUIETLY EURO SITUATION :MOCZ CH

*MOFCOM'S CHEN: WORLD ECONOMY FACES DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON EU DEBT

Awwwwwww.


Bifurcated Euro Begins As AAA-Only 'Elite'-Bond Issuance Considered

European newspaper Die Welt says Germany and the other 5 AAA-rated nations of Europe are discussing jointly issuing 'Elite' bonds.

The paper said that the money raised by the bonds would finance the debts not only of the six AAA-rated countries — Germany, France, Finland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Austria — but also help provide financial assistance, under strict conditions, for Italy and Spain.

Funny since France and Austria ain't worth AAA...

Japan is doomed, and Europe too... even Germany.



And as ``latest`` news.. Italian 2yr bonds just hit 8% for the first time in HISTORY... very bullish. EDIT: went back down to 7.35%... ECB intervention?
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posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

And as ``latest`` news.. Italian 2yr bonds just hit 8% for the first time in HISTORY... very bullish. EDIT: went back down to 7.35%... ECB intervention?


Wow didn't know they hit 8%! Yes the ECB was there, it was reported on CNBC television earlier when I was watching that they would be ready for the bond auctions. So it was probably their purchasing that brought them back down some. Gee it is getting really dicey.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Meanwhile, on this side of the pond, people are out spending a whack of dough they don't have on stuff people don't need to profit people who don't live here.

And in January when they can't pay their bills, they'll whine away!!!

There's so much goofy stuff going on around the world and I'd wager a pretty good chunch of my next week's pay that 80 percent of the world's inhabitants either don't know or just don't care about what is going on.

The mainstream news makes it look like its happy-skippity-doo-fun-for-all times over here.

That has me more than a bit worried.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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Thats exactly what I said, I knew from where the rally today came from, isn't that nice that futures are counting on the American automaton shopper zombie on credit.

It doesn't matter that coming next January the futures don't even consider that millions of American will still be defaulting on their credit and Christmas loans because they will be hit with the after Christmas blues.

Every thing is green today Americas economy is booming.

My daughter had to work half day on Friday that usually the local bank where she works at closes for black Friday but they were told to open half day because they were expecting a busy day, she said that it was busy alright, the lines at the teller machine were pack from opening to closing, nothing more than people trying to cash checks from other banks, they were told to cash them even when they knew that most of the check were bad checks.

Got to keep the consumerism going, now what that tells you.


January and February are going to be very interesting with all the defaults.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Good news everyone!

Average New House Price Drops To Lowest Since 2003

Yet the most notable data point was the average new house sale price which dropped to $242,300. This is the lowest price since 2003!

Very good.

It needs to go down more... to 1X-2X the average salary to be back to reasonable levels.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Well thats a coincidence, best black friday since 2008.

I have no problem to believe it since theres 5 or 6 persons close to me who just bought a new TV like we are in a baby boom. I mean, I've made bad purchase before but the level of intelligence of consumers are at all time low now, its not even funny and i'm sure you guys are well aware of this fact. Its not what you need anymore, its what you want.

How many times you've mentioned that we are heading straight into a wall (a depression) just to get wacked by empty arguments that we gonna be alright, we got nothing to worry because the guy in my new tv in full hd say so. Or something like pffft!!

Television rule the nation, no matter the reality.
For the readers. WAKE UP, WAKE THE EFF UP.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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...the possibilty of bonds being used as a way to bring in world government and a new world order. The argument goes that first there will be Euro bonds, then maybe 'western' bonds and finally 'world' bonds on the back of which world government will form...

It's already in full view:



(taken from surrealist's highly-underrated / under-supported thread on the astounding ECB powergrab:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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Television rule the nation, no matter the reality.
For the readers. WAKE UP, WAKE THE *** UP.


We all hear your frustration. One small suggestion would be to send your contacts a link to this forum.




posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by eagleeye2

For the readers. WAKE UP, WAKE THE EFF UP.


Unfortunately, too many people rely solely on the tube for entertainment, news, social direction, life advice . . . it's the one stop shop for mind control, really.

The government loves the fact people are out there buying bigger and better televisions. Hell, you can watch a life sized Oprah tell you what to read, a life sized Dr. Phil tell you how to think . . . a life sized political guru telling you how to vote . .. some guy dressed in a lab coat telling you what kind of medecine you should take .. . .

Hell, dude, they'll have none of that self-direction crap . . . let alone any of that waking up nonsense.

Give 'em a big screen and Chaz Bono tripping the light fandango across some stupid dance floor and utopia has been achieved.

Sheesh.

We're friggin doomed.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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OBAMA SAYS U.S. `READY TO DO OUR PART' TO RESOLVE EURO CRISIS. - BBG

OBAMA SAYS SOLVING EURO CRISIS OF `HUGE IMPORTANCE' TO U.S. - BBG

YAY! American bailouts of Europe!

Former Head Of FBI To Probe MF Global Collapse
Good stuff... hopefully he's not corrupt... but you are not head of the FBI if you are not a crook in one way or another.

Judge Rakoff Humiliates Mary Schapiro By Nullifying Citi MBS Settlement, Calls It "Neither Fair, Nor Reasonable, Nor In Public Interest"

Once again Judge Jed Rakoff, also known as the only person in the Southern District of New York who calls out the SEC consistently and routinely on their corruption, has ruined the day for both Mary Schapiro and for Vic Pandit, by making the proposed $285 million MBS fraud settlement wrist slap null and void, and setting a trial date for July 16, 2012 in which Citigroup will actually face a jury and defend itself to peers instead of to future Citi employees in the form of SEC porn addicts. It is unclear if the reversal is a bigger slap in the face for Citi or for the SEC, but one thing is certain: both parties are to be massively embarassed as a result of this ruling which essentially says that both entities are culpable - the first of committing a far greater crime than the $285 mm fine deems fit, and the second of being a complicit enabler of precisely this kind of criminal behavior which it then fines with some token amount and things can continue as they were. And just like in the case of SEC vs BofA, Rakoff crucifies the SEC's worthless organizationL: "the Court concludes, regretfully, that the proposed Consent Judgment is neither fair, nor reasonable, nor adequate, nor in the public interest."

Win! Now last time he backed off at the last minute... but hopefully it goes all the way this time.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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How stupid people can be that they do not see through the eyes of deception we can not even fix our own deficit but are gona fix the EU financial problems with more debt.

We are like the gift of debt that keeps on giving.




posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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My daughter had to work half day on Friday that usually the local bank where she works at closes for black Friday but they were told to open half day because they were expecting a busy day, she said that it was busy alright, the lines at the teller machine were pack from opening to closing, nothing more than people trying to cash checks from other banks, they were told to cash them even when they knew that most of the check were bad checks.

Got to keep the consumerism going, now what that tells you.


January and February are going to be very interesting with all the defaults.
What???? They were cashing checks without fund verification? I don't even know how to respond to that. Is that really true? Correct me if I am wrong but someone is going to get a bounced check charge.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Why do I keep reading that investors are "optimistic" over reports coming out of Europe? I read article in papers from Australia, Ireland and German paper. I didn't read anything optimistic, what I read was highly alarming. Is this just brain washing so ma & pa will sink their life saving back into a dying market?



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by AuntB
Why do I keep reading that investors are "optimistic" over reports coming out of Europe? I read article in papers from Australia, Ireland and German paper. I didn't read anything optimistic, what I read was highly alarming. Is this just brain washing so ma & pa will sink their life saving back into a dying market?


At this point its all a joke. I think its the last hora for x-mas shopping to try and get people to buy. I already told everyone in my family they are not getting anything for x-mas this year. there is more things to worry about other then "gifts"



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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I already told everyone in my family they are not getting anything for x-mas this year. there is more things to worry about other then "gifts"

Finally, you have been unmasked.





Don't be surprised if you experience disturbed nights.




My question is: 'Why is the Euro still worth anything on the currency markets?'





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posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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It's rare but it's happening.. the media pundents are actually calling this rally a farce for long term gains. That Europe and "real" economic data will drag the markets down, especially banking stocks.

Obviously Cyber Monday is one of the biggest buy days of the year, call option are at 8x normal rates .. people expect, always, that the Monday after Black Friday, weekend and Cyber Monday will always mean big gains.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Exactly that is what my daughter said, they were cashing checks for the spending frenzy on Friday and because they were only open half a day they were to do the teller only with limited access to information, as long as the checks were no on the high risk list they were ok to cash.

Like cash now worry later, if people are to cash checks from other banks it makes it more difficult to verified on site because many banks were closed.

Most of the checks were not from the bank where they were cashed, but from other sources.

Is nothing but a scam and was ok as long as it was for black Friday.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Thanks for the explanations guys.
So basically bonds are like shares in the government plus interest to cover inflation.
LoL So is there a limit of how much bonds a country can sell and do they drop in value depending on the number?

I cant believe we all operate on such a chaotic system of finance. its a circus.



posted on Nov, 28 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Thanks for the explanations guys.
So basically bonds are like shares in the government plus interest to cover inflation.
LoL So is there a limit of how much bonds a country can sell and do they drop in value depending on the number?

I cant believe we all operate on such a chaotic system of finance. its a circus.


No, A bond is a note. The US goverment wants to spend $100 to build a road. They already spend all there money so they make a bond/note and sale it to the public. I buy the 5 year bond at 1% and give them $100. at the end of the 5years, the goverment pays me my $100 plus the 1% yearly intrest so i get $105 back. So they pay me an intrest for letting them barrow my $100.

The problem is inflation is running "Unofficially" at 12%. so these people buying goverment bonds at 2% are losing 10% Once the sheeple wake up and do the math, the UST market will burst and yealds will go up to 15-20%. Once that happens, you can say bye bye to america.
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