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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Thanks for the Armstrong update.



It's definitely gettin' weird out there.

GL




posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Nokia Siemens cutting 17,000 jobs



www.marketwatch.com...

They're saving their a@@. Saving 1 billion. Probably outsourcing jobs to Papua.

The war of states and corporations on people is intensifying.



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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What is China up to this days?

China Changing the Global Gold Market


While many investors have been distracted by the goings on in Europe, China has been making a dent in the global gold market by making it easier for investors to buy and invest in the yellow metal.

The goal: To dominate the global gold market and carve out a new role for its currency, the yuan


So while the our governmetn is up to their necks in their own manufactured crap china is working on making their nation stronger along with their currency.


World Gold Council (WGC) Far East Managing Director Albert Cheng, who predicted in March 2010 that Chinese gold demand would double by 2020, noted: "We now believe this doubling may, in fact, be achieved far sooner."

China is pushing gold because it wants the government and citizens to build financial reserves in assets stronger than the U.S. dollar, euro, and other weakening currencies. It also increases China's role in the precious metals market.

But there's another effect of this push for gold ownership: it's dislodging the dollar as the world's main reserve currency.


moneymorning.com...



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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its a blood bath in the markets today and possibly tomorrow. Cant wait to see how Asia open tomorrow..



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Yes the failed bond sell of Germany is now been felt in the markets, I guess many US investors really don't like the trash been sold from the Countries in the EU anymore, China neither.

Plus the MF mess is still developing over the amount of lost money.


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posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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BAC at 5.15 right now! I want to see this baby burn!



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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I have the perfect stress test for a bank . . . walk in to their coprorate tower and yell . . . Hey, they elected Ron Paul and Ralph Nader is is VP. The first thing they did was sh!t-can Bernanke and Geitner's been seconded to the Department of Toilet Cleaning

Good GOD . . . that would be the ultimate stress test finding out your Gravy Train derailed.



Oh yeah . . . for 'topic' sake . . . just saw the markets . . . wonder if any traders are inching toward the ledge?



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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More Moral Hazard on the way

Brought to us courtesy of senators Kay Hagan of North Carolina and one of the banking lobby's most obedient lap dogs, Bob Corker of Tennessee;
The United States Covered Bond Act of 2011 is designed to allow bundling of any kind of debt including derivatives, into marketable securities guaranteed at full face value by the FDIC.

Asset classes eligible to be rolled into Covered Bonds are shown below including "H" which leaves the door open for anything left over, What would qualify would be the decision of one unelected official, the treasury secretary/Goldman Sachs representative.

(A) a residential mortgage asset class;
(B) a commercial mortgage asset class;
(C) a public sector asset class;
(D) an auto asset class;
(E) a student loan asset class;
(F) a credit or charge card asset class;
(G) a small business asset class; and
(H) any other eligible asset class designated by the Secretary, by rule
and in consultation with the covered bond regulators

The full text of the bill is here.
www.hagan.senate.gov...

Thanks Bob Corker for working to build this new FDIC insured landfill where our TBTF banks can dump all of their unwanted financial refuse and collect 100 cents on the dollar on their way out.

Please write your congressman to stop this before it is too late. - Source


Haircuts ?





The banksters are immune.

Senator Coker says: Taxpayers - Occupy yo mama's house.

GL



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Thanks for that, you made my day.

On another note...


Originally posted by zorgon

Timing Questions Emerge on MF Global Cash


Hundreds of millions of dollars might have gone missing from customer accounts at MF Global Holdings Ltd. as far back as four days before the securities firm filed for bankruptcy protection, people familiar with the situation said Monday.


Wall Street Journal



www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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I guess many US investors really don't like the trash been sold from the Countries in the EU anymore

Yeah but all those same stupid ``investors`` came in and bought massively US debt...
Record Low Yield At 7 Year Auction, Second Highest Bid To Cover Ever Sends Total US Debt Over $15.1 Trillion

they really can't see that the US treasuries are as worthless as Greece's...

The Game Is About Done

It's pretty-much over at this point....

This morning Germany had a failed Bund auction. That's not particularly noteworthy; it happens from time to time.

But what's noteworthy is what happened to bond yields everywhere through Europe in response: They blew out.

The Greek and Italian "problem" is no longer about Greece and Italy. It has been creeping into Spain and more-recently France, but this morning jumped into Germany and everywhere else "all at once."



Sarkozy to Europe : Bow down to me biatches!


SARKOZY SAYS EURO ZONE MUST FURTHER INTEGRATE
SARKOZY SAYS TROUBLED EURO COUNTRIES DIDN'T UNDERTAKE REFORMS
SARKOZY SAYS EURO ZONE MEMBERSHIP IMPLIES OBLIGATIONS
SARKOZY SAYS EUROPE'S FUTURE REQUIRES CONVERGENCE

With all the puppets of Goldman Sachs in Europe, they will bow... but that will only be the governments bowing, not the people.

And of course they are preparing for Syria... probably gonna start bombing on Thanksgiving while everyone is busy... after all the ``no fly zone`` vote is tomorrow.

Aircraft Carrier CVN-77 Parks Next Door To Syria Just As US Urges Americans To Leave Country "Immediately"

European Liquidity Downgraded From Ice To Carbonite

Chatter across European trading desks, since confirmed by the EBA, is that medium- and long-term funding in Europe is now completely frozen.

Awwww...

And now US debt will pass 15.1 trillion this week... at this rate, they will do a 2+ trillion deficit for 2012.



posted on Nov, 23 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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But, but, but, America debt is guarantee to be repay by tax payers for the next 100 generations if the earth is still habitable.

that is what nations are good for, to preserve the survival of the aristocratic financial elite for generations to come.


Any way the so call fiscal dictatorship (I mean union) has been Germany leaders wet dreams since the Hitler era, and by god this time they are going to get it even if it means selling their corrupted political souls to Satan itself,( I mean to the banker elite) in order to be able to reign over the EU like Hail Hitler wanted.


Rise of the Fourth Reich, how Germany is using the financial crisis to conquer Europe

www.dailymail.co.uk...

World’s Greatest Danger: Germany Domineers Over Europe Again!

www.thetrumpet.com...

Hitler will be so proud and laughing in his grave, I think Merkel is Hitler reincarnated



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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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And what's funny about Merkel is that she was a communist living in the Soviet Union most of her life...



Fitch's Colquhoun says Japan action needed to head off negative pressure on ratings

Japan should have been downgraded a long time ago.


Finnish finance minister says common Eurobonds could damage investors trust on healthy economies

Indeed.


French foreign minister says the issue of ECB intervention will be discussed at Sarkozy-Merkel meeting today

Hopefully Merkel man up and tell Sarkozy to stop it.


Gilts continue to outperform Bunds; reports suggest that Japanese funds are shifting their investment from Bunds to Gilts

Which is really bad for Germany but good for the UK. Still stupid to buy UK bonds...as worthless as anything in Europe really.


Austrian Industrial Production (Sep) M/M -2.0% vs. Prev. 1.1%

Bad...


Spanish Mortgages on Houses (Sep) Y/Y -42.0% vs. Prev. -41.7%

Real bad...


German Exports (Q3) Q/Q 2.5% vs. Exp. 1.6% (Prev. 2.3%)

German Imports (Q3) Q/Q 2.6% vs. Exp. 1.5% (Prev. 3.2%, Rev. to 2.9%)

Exports going up... imports going down... good.


German coalition may be open to Eurozone bonds
Says;
- German backing for issuance of joint Eurozone bonds is no longer being catorgorically ruled out in Merkel’s coalition

Freaking scum... If this pass, Germany will end up with all of Europe's debt on it's back. Germany needs a revolution if this passes. Otherwise Germany is gonna end up with the WORST depression IN IT'S HISTORY.


German finance minister says market turmoil will continue for few months, and convinced we need EU treaty change

Yeah where there will be a loss of sovereignty right?


French Manufacturing PMI (Nov P) M/M 47.6 vs. Exp. 47.8 (Prev. 48.5), lowest since June 2009

Bad..

Portugal's Rating Cut To 'Junk' By China's Dagong

. This action follows Monday's Greek downgrade from C to CCC.


Mini Flash Crash? ES Plunges By 2 Standard Deviations In 5 Minutes

The last 5 minutes of today's somewhat tempestuous day saw a rather dramatic plunge in ES on very heavy volume which could easily be flash-crash-worthy in its description. Having tested VWAP a number of times during the day and been unable to make any progress above it (suggesting program selling was active), the final desperate straw broke the camel's back into the close as ES dropped 1% in less than 5 minutes as volume dwarfed the rest of the day with machines fighting each other to exit at a reasonable price.


As Expected, Ireland Is First To Demand Debt Relief In Greek Bailout Aftermath

While Ireland won’t seek debt discounts, the government might pursue other relief given to Greece, including cheaper interest payments on aid and longer to repay it, according to a person familiar with the matter who declined to be identified as no final decision has been taken." There is one very important addition here: "While Ireland won't seek debt discounts" yet."

Go Ireland!

From 2010 and really interesting...

Chinese Rating Agency Dagong: America's Economy Is Actually Less Than Half The Size It Claims To Be

The total output value of the U.S. financial services industry is composed of two major parts: one is the transferred production value, most of which comes from value distribution of participating in international production. Another part is the inflated value originated from credit innovation, which belongs to bubble value. In addition, due to the high economic financialization, more than half of the profits in the real economy come from the returns of financial activities. If we exclude the factor of virtual economy, the U.S. actual GDP is about 5 trillion U.S. dollars in 2009, per capita GDP about $ 15,000. Meanwhile, the total domestic consumption was 10.0 trillion U.S. dollars and government expenditure was 4.5 trillion U.S. dollars.

But eh, don't worry, some analysis say that US private wealth is 50+ trillion. Private wealth is the home equity (value of your house, which is still way overevaluated) + value of stocks (which is way overevaluated)... So eh, don't worry about the 15 trillion debt, it's nothing compared to the real wealth in America!
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Even if our Goverment agrees to the Eurozone Bonds...thing,they would need to change the German Constitution,which would need a Referendum. I doubt that the People will say yes to beeing robbed even more.

Add to that that our highest Court rejected Stupid Ideas like those Bonds a few Months ago.And you have to remember that we would be downgraded as well since Germany would be forced to shoulder everything.

I just don´t see how our Politicans could agree to that. That would be Treason on the highest Level.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:39 AM
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Irish PPI (Oct) M/M -0.3% vs. Prev. 1.2%

Going down... good.

Irish PPI (Oct) Y/Y 2.5% vs. Prev. 0.2%

Still too high...

Article in German saying that Germany is preparing for Eurobonds...
Eurobonds kommen

Sick really. So it seems they said ``no``... but they really are saying yes behind closed doors.

And Shenon, don't worry, they'll find a way to pass this without having to bring it to the people.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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Here's something though, if the do introduce Eurobonds and they turn sour and investors lose confidence in them, then it is all Eurozone countries equally that suffer the consequences of bad credit, is it not?



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by surrealist
Here's something though, if the do introduce Eurobonds and they turn sour and investors lose confidence in them, then it is all Eurozone countries equally that suffer the consequences of bad credit, is it not?

Well it's already happening so... And anyway Finland has indicated they don't want Eurobonds.

Investors are dropping everything European. I think Eurobonds are crap but still better then EFSF.


EU's Rehn says a leveraged EFSF and a faster ESM would be enough of a firewall

EFSF would mean all of Europe's debt on Germany.


According to a source, Greece to begin Troika talks on new bailout on December 12

Yay more bailouts!

Deutsche Bank (DBK GY) does not plan capital increase and does not plan to cut lending according to a source

Really? Suffer the consequences then.
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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A couple of pages ago I said the west are going to poke Iran until they retaliate and posted the article headlined UK Severs Ties With Iranian Banks.
Well here's another article to support my theory:

France to stop buying Iranian oil



www.marketwatch.com...



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
A couple of pages ago I said the west are going to poke Iran until they retaliate and posted the article headlined UK Severs Ties With Iranian Banks.
Well here's another article to support my theory:

France to stop buying Iranian oil



www.marketwatch.com...


Because France stole Libyan oil?



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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France to stop buying Iranian oil

More for China then.


Belgium Hits Record High Yields As Business Confidence Slumps

Dexia is hitting Belgium...



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Isn't that the way to create a dictatorship with enough sheeple nations to do what the in control elites wants? submit to the demands of the dictatorship give away your resources for the common good of the elite or suffer the destruction of your nation and the death of your citizens.

Incredible.


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