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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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You are so right is not funny, the only times that the markets has been allowed to stray away from the numbers is when the corporate fat rats wants to infuse fear on the small people so they can steal more wealth from the hard working tax payer.

Thanks Rockpuck for that inside on what is really going on with our manipulated markets.




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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Right now it's all about the Fed...
In addition to bringing down long-term interest rates, the Federal Reserve has accomplished something else with its Operation Twist announcement-lowering expectations for growth.


Investors traditionally look for rates, particularly on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, for clues about the central bank's economic outlook.

With the 10-year yielding less than 2 percent and the 30-year bond below 3 percent, the message is clear that the Fed does not expect robust growth ahead.

And along with those expectations comes the view from some investors that owning stocks in such a climate isn't a great idea.

They're just pushing on a string. There's nothing going to happen per se with a ridiculous 30-year and 10-year in terms of rates, except that it's going to force, marginally, some people into dividend stocks... that's the reason for the blip in uptick prices... not because of any real gains



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Sure they do. Europe is about to go down, bringing down the US down with it. And they want to make sure it doesn't scare the sheeple too much.

Slow change, the sheeple can accept it.

Fast change, the sheeple will organize into a mob.

I mean, when you lose 30% of your entire pension in a day, you gonna go nuts.
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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That is why I am waiting patiently when capitalistic Austerity comes to the US.
By then people will be happy to have SS privatized.
while giving away their retiment accounts and pension funds for the Uber class to keep their wealth.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
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I mean, when you lose 30% of your entire pension in a day, you gonna go nuts.

On the flipside, this could also be a short-seller's dream, with massive profits.

On another note, anybody know why the market suddenly tanked in the last couple hours of the day?
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by mossme89
On the flipside, this could also be a short-seller's dream, with massive profits.


You're reading my mind mm89. After-all, a 2 day relief rally does not a bull market make.

Or sumthin' like that


It does give the chart painters an opportunity to exit at higher prices though.

Cheers!



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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You should read ZeroHedge a few Times a Day,they explain the Situation(s) pretty good...

Two Reasons.

First one (and this is a must read) : Guest Post: Euro Tarp - Why It Will Be A Screaming Failure


The Eurozone bailout, now being referred to as Euro TARP, is doomed to fail. While nothing has been officially announced the markets are rallying broadly on the back of a news article published by CNBC on Monday. The details are lacking as to the actual structure but speculation is already running rampant across the financial markets as to what it might look like.



And second one: "The Carnage...The Carnage..." - Presenting The Complete September And YTD Hedge Fund Bloodbath


HSBC has just released their latest weekly hedge fund return compilation report. There is no sugarcoating this: it is a complete bloodbath. It is no surprise why hedge funds are desperate to pull off any sort of month end rally. Without it we fear the hedge fund space, which at last check was approaching $2 trillion in AUM, will collapse by 25% after the new year when the full carnage of the redemption requests is made public.


If there is a Rally,its probably something bad,or is doomed to fail,in the long run...or its another made up Rumour. I gave up trying to make sense of this BS.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Lord have mercy the crocks are gambling with none existent money in the race to make the markets look good, but who are they targeting with this attempt?

Or, these crocks knows that the governments will do anything like raping their own citizens to fix the mess.

Well there goes the pension funds and retirement accounts.
hum. The money has to come from somewhere.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Watch the S&P 500. If we close below yesterday's low, 1170, it could signal another leg down.



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Head and shoulder pattern developing on the S&P 500. If we don't push above it, watch out!




posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Step Aside BBC "Trader": Head Of UniCredit Securities Predicts Imminent End Of The Eurozone And A Global Financial Apocalypse


Either the YesMen have infiltrated Italy's biggest, and most undercapitalied, bank, or the stress of constant, repeated lying and prevarication has finally gotten to the very people who know their livelihoods hang by a thread, and the second the great ponzi is unwound their jobs, careers, and entire way of life will be gone. Such as the head of UniCredit global securities Attila Szalay-Berzeviczy, and former Chairman of the Hungarian stock exchange, who has written an unbelievable oped in the Hungarian portal Index.hu which, frankly, make Alessio "BBC Trader" Rastani's provocative speech seem like a bedtime story. Only this time one can't scapegoat Szalay-Berzeviczy "naivete" on inexperience or the desire to gain public prominence. If someone knows the truth, it is the guy at the top of UniCredit, which we expect to promptly trade limit down once we hit print. Among the stunning allegations (stunning in that an actual banker dares to tell the truth) are the following: "the euro is “practically dead” and Europe faces a financial earthquake from a Greek default"... “The euro is beyond rescue”... “The only remaining question is how many days the hopeless rearguard action of European governments and the European Central Bank can keep up Greece’s spirits.”...."A Greek default will trigger an immediate “magnitude 10” earthquake across Europe."..."Holders of Greek government bonds will have to write off their entire investment, the southern European nation will stop paying salaries and pensions and automated teller machines in the country will empty “within minutes.” In other words: welcome to the Apocalypse...


Read the Full Article

Nothing we don´t know,but isn´t it refreshing if the Elite are starting to realize what we knew for a long Time?

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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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As I posted yesterday, fleeting relief rallies in a bear market allow the chart painters a final opportunity to exit positions at higher prices...at the expense of those that can least afford what lies ahead. I feel for buy & hold shareholders as they sit frozen in 401K accounts. I suspect that if it wasn't for buying support from the much maligned short-sellers as they take profits, there would be nothing but air under this market.


Global Markets Slouch Towards Bethlehem

by Rick Ackerman on September 28, 2011

Take a look at the chart below if you think yesterday’s monster short-squeeze meant something. The Dow Industrials were up 326 points at their apex, making plenty of noise but signifying little or nothing. Some saw the buying spree as a bet that everything will turn out all right for Europe. Yeah, sure. And Obama’s “jobs program” will turn the U.S. economy into the muscular dynamo it was in the 1950s. In actuality, Wall Street’s latest buying riot was simply one more ‘up’ in a tedious series of ups and downs that are being used by the Masters of the Universe to distribute stocks to widows and pensioners before They pull the plug. - More



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by OBE1
As I posted yesterday, fleeting relief rallies in a bear market allow the chart painters a final opportunity to exit positions at higher prices...at the expense of those that can least afford what lies ahead. I feel for buy & hold shareholders as they sit frozen in 401K accounts. I suspect that if it wasn't for buying support from the much maligned short-sellers as they take profits, there would be nothing but air under this market.


Global Markets Slouch Towards Bethlehem

by Rick Ackerman on September 28, 2011

Take a look at the chart below if you think yesterday’s monster short-squeeze meant something. The Dow Industrials were up 326 points at their apex, making plenty of noise but signifying little or nothing. Some saw the buying spree as a bet that everything will turn out all right for Europe. Yeah, sure. And Obama’s “jobs program” will turn the U.S. economy into the muscular dynamo it was in the 1950s. In actuality, Wall Street’s latest buying riot was simply one more ‘up’ in a tedious series of ups and downs that are being used by the Masters of the Universe to distribute stocks to widows and pensioners before They pull the plug. - More



Good article OBE1. I say it hits the nail on the head . Here is some more on the overall picture by Martin Armstrong:


So when I say this is the collapse of socialism, it is really the collapse of this arrogant strain of
economics that crowned government with the power to borrow perpetually, manipulate what is
not there, and to create utopia without ever considering just perhaps the whole is not the sum of the
parts, but a dynamic interconnected synergy that Adam Smith called, the Invisible Hand. Oh ya! That
implies free markets that should also not be allowed to exist according to this pro-government tyranny.
This is what is collapsing. Years of manipulation by intervention and over-regulation is now coming back
to tear everything apart at the seams. They refuse to listen. You cannot force capital to flow to
unprofitable regions any more than you can force water to flow up instead of down. PDF Link to Full Article


Here is the page to the site and several very good articles. Another one on the page that really explains what happened to the Euro is The Rise and Fall of the Euro PDF at: www.martinarmstrong.org...

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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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The Vote in Germany on the ESFS tomorrow (or today for me) could backfire...There is a Chance that Germany is gonna get downgraded if it passes. If that happens...



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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I'm afraid, what Martin calls "collapse" is actually "growth" - like growth of cancerous tumor


The growth of real-socialism was like that (a Gargantuan political factory), and the growth of capitalism is the same (they seem to meet and merge at this historical point). The outline was given by Orwell. Perhaps it's gonna get worse


The problem of present historical moment, The end of history, is that all social and political forms have already been exhausted and now they pop up in a kaput-mortum mixture where anything is possible, meaning that any unwashed politician will be able to be politically "creative" and pass with that.

We shall be hearing many "ringing" words, but there will be absolutely no meaning to them. Capitalism, socialism, democracy, republic... right now those concepts have no real content.


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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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The chines blur the lines
but there star is on the rise, the US and eropean star is on the decline. the question
is will the US and Eorope go down without a fight. with that mutch Invested in military tech i
can hardly imagine them letting the position at the top of the heap be given to someone else.
Expansion into new teritories was usually good for the romans, maybe the drumbs of full scail war will
come again, I hope not but expansion can quickly gain resources and people to pay taxes.
Super powers will never cross swards directly but they can go throught proxies.



posted on Sep, 29 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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I think someone has overestimated German ability to disobey


www.marketwatch.com...

German lawmakers approve bigger EFSF
Bailout fund changes approved with overwhelming majority




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posted on Sep, 29 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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Where the heck did this "good" GDP and jobless claims data come from, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the economy is tanking?



posted on Sep, 29 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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European markets acutely acclaim Bundesrat decision.

The little everyday Ponzi workout functions routinely well.
Quickly buy then quickly sell.
Wait for the next starter's shot.
Repeat...



posted on Sep, 29 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by mossme89
Where the heck did this "good" GDP and jobless claims data come from, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the economy is tanking?


We'll see what next week's 'revisions' are


They need an excuse to gun stocks up sky-high the next two days so the government (for GDP numbers) and the hedge funds (to slow redemptions) can 'make their quarter'.

Again, see it as an opportunity to get into some bear funds at a better price.



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