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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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This is pretty funny... Hey if the rating service doesn't give you the grade you want then find another that will.... Pretty much speaks volumes to how useful these ratings are. Anyone who is paying attention knows every city state and the federal government are broke and living on credit like there is no tomorrow.

Anyone investing in all thier bonds is playing a fools game. I say pull all your investments and let them reap what they have sown...


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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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in the near future.. (next 16 month window - or until 2013) gold will start getting attacked but not from the PPT or the DirtyDozen market-maker banks....but by two important influences...

#1 - the nationalization of gold miming
#2- the scarcity of qualified labor & thinking in the gold extraction industry


snip from an article that enumerates some of the different reasons that gold will see a big pullback


"Resource nationalism is taking other forms as well, including greater controls on foreign participation, mandated beneficiation, use it or lose it demands and mandated government participation." Ernst & Young Global Mining & Metals Leader Mike Elliott

The result is a spate of recent news regarding resource nationalism:

* A government backed ouster of Brazilian mining giant Vale SA's CEO, Roger Agnelli. Brazil's government is considering a proposal that would make it easier to raise or lower mining royalties - depending on economic conditions and minerals prices - as part of a broad overhaul in Brazil's mining sector which includes revamping the licensing process and boosting state income from mining companies.

* Panama recently repealed part of its mining code allowing investments from foreign governments.

* A handful of African countries have also increased tax revenue from miners in recent years - ie Ghana plans to double royalties on mining to increase government revenues

* South Africa is pushing to nationalize its mines and banks. The Youth League wants the government to take 60% of private mining assets without compensation to distribute wealth and create jobs. As part of an empowerment drive South Africa's mining charter already calls for 26 percent of the mining industry - in Africa's largest economy - to be transferred to black owners by 2014

* Papua New Guinea introduced a plan to hand state ownership of mineral and energy resources to landowners - a move that may prove disastrous to foreign miners and their shareholders

* President Hugo Chavez nationalized Venezuela's gold industry

* Peruvian president Humala (recently elected) promised, during his election campaign, to initiate windfall taxes on mine profits and to harden tax and royalty regimes

* Australia and Chile are proposing fresh tax or royalty regimes

* In the past 12-18 months at least 25 countries have increased or announced intentions to increase their government take from resources via taxes or royalties

* Zimbabwe now requires foreign owned companies "indigenize" their operations in the country - by transfering at least 51% ownership to locals. Youth Development, Indigenisation and Empowerment Minister Saviour Kasukuwere rejected a number of foreign companies plans and set a 14-day ultimatum for the submission of what he considers "acceptable" plans...


www.marketoracle.co.uk...


 



then there is this nugget (which was linked in the above mentioned article:


....the Chinese built a hydropower project in the Republic of the Congo that’s repaid in oil and built another hydropower project in Ghana that’s repaid in cocoa beans.

*This kind of deal making isn’t unusual for China - China has plans to construct its high speed rail line through Asia and Eastern Europe in order to connect to the existing infrastructure in the European Union (EU). Additional rail lines are planned into South East Asia as well as Russia – this will likely be the largest infrastructure project in history. Financing and planning for this monumental project is being provided by China – who is already in negotiations with 17 countries to develop the project . In return the partnering nation will provide natural resources to China. [..]


aheadoftheherd.com...


Now hve any of youse been informed that the Chinese plan this network of high-spped bullet trains all over europe/asia/ possibly even africa... involving some 17 nations, so far ?

the same newsletter details how China is buying into gold production facilities in Soutrh Africa and other places in Africa... get informed more than i am already by reading the links....seems that MSM thinks nothing of the China Emerghence into the realm of the 'big boys' on the world stage... one has to read obscure reports to cobble together an analysis of the economic chessgame being played by those with money, Soverign Trusts, etc



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Bank Holiday here we go.

Hurricane Watch: Can SEC Declare Bank Holiday Monday?

If Hurricane Irene is as bad as some feared, traders have asked me if the SEC has the power to declare a bank holiday and delay the opening of trading on Monday for all exchanges.

The answer is yes.

Shall be ugly if it does happen...



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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SILK ROAD!

They've also hired NATO to protect this infrastructure...



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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why are the Markets up today? first they claim there up because the storm didnt hit new york and some other states, and then The MSM claims there up because of US stimulus hopes? mist among all the bad news



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
why are the Markets up today? first they claim there up because the storm didnt hit new york and some other states, and then The MSM claims there up because of US stimulus hopes? mist among all the bad news

Because apparently the ``markets expect QE3 on September 20``...

Well don't worry, markets are going to feel reality real soon...

Goodbye Bank Of America Settlement

FDIC OBJECTS TO BANK OF AMERICA MORTGAGE-BOND ACCORD

BAC is screwed... but don't worry, Obama is monitoring the situation... and have a big check to give to BAC in case they need it... a nice gift from the US taxpayers.

And thursday/friday august job lost report will be atrocious... like 600-700k+ atrocious.

The markets are gonna get hammered.

But don't worry, they'll have the week-end + monday to sleep it off.

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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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It is normal to give money to the banks. People need loans



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by DangerDeath
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It is normal to give money to the banks. People need loans

People need loans, but banks need gifts.


America needs the rule of law... that's what it needs. With the rule of law, everything will start going the way it's supposed to be... America needs to put the scum in jail if they did a crime, even if they are worth a few billion dollars... or have political connections.
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posted on Aug, 30 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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A bear flag has formed in the main US indexes so the technicals indicate another down leg, and possibly even worse than that. I think we've reached a temporary top in the markets. Look out below!



posted on Aug, 30 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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What do you think about Gold? Good buy?



posted on Aug, 30 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Yes I would assume so.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Gold is a good bet considering the nutjobs running the FED. But not paper gold... PHYSICAL... silver is good too.

More Bad News For Euro Banks: SocGen, Intesa And Unicredit Kicked Out Of Stoxx 50 Index

Yes, you can't short them. But that doesn't mean you can't sell them. Which is precisely what index funds will be forced to do after the main European index, the Stoxx 50, announced that it will be removing battered SocGen, Intesa and Unicredit from its list of constituents (as well as that anachronism of a cell phone maker Nokia).


Gee the banks are so good, they get kicked out.
Once the European markets open, it shall be ugly.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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I guess Germany and France has not been been able to reach an agreement yet to their demands from the EU. I have not seen, heard or read anything on the issue yet, unless they are doing it behind the citizens back to avoid an insurrection.


It seems that now a days when it comes to keep nations and their citizens indebt, the citizens have not say so in matter, after all is the darn globalist money that is in trouble and thats when the citizens comes in to keep them wealty by slavery.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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Well well well...

Massive Wave Of Lawsuits To Be Filed By The US Against America's Biggest Banks As Soon As Tomorrow

In a move that could either send BAC stock limit down overnight or send it soaring (we are still trying to figure out just what is going on here), the NYT has broken major news that the US is preparing to go nuclear on more than a dozen big banks among which Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank, in an attempt for Fannie and Freddie to recoup $30 billion if not much more. The lawsuit is expected to hit the docket in the next few days: "The suits stem from subpoenas the finance agency issued to banks a year ago. If the case is not filed Friday, they said, it will come Tuesday, shortly before a deadline expires for the housing agency to file claims." Now, taken at face value, this would mean that Bank of America can kiss its ass goodbye as unlike the Walnut Place litigation, this will take place in Federal Court where Article 77 is not applicable. Yet there is something that gives us pause: namely logic, captured by the following words: "While I believe that F.H.F.A. is acting responsibly in its role as conservator, I am afraid that we risk pushing these guys off of a cliff and we’re going to have to bail out the banks again,” said Tim Rood, who worked at Fannie Mae until 2006 and is now a partner at the Collingwood Group, which advises banks and servicers on housing-related issues." In other words: if the banks are sued, and if justice prevails, the end of the world is nigh and cue TARP 2 - XXX. Now where have we heard that argument over, and over, and over before.


In other words... either you get justice (and the taxpayers get screwed) or you don't get justice (and the taxpayers get screwed)... how nice.

There could be one scenario where you actually get justice and NOBODY IS BAILED OUT... and kabooooooom.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Wait a moment, in behave of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, hell where is the tax payer money that this two corrupted institutions still owns to us.

I guess the CEOs needed more than we do.

What a whole bunch of crap.




posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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I once talked to a guy who was high in Serbian Socialist Party during Milosevic time (early nineties). He was one of directors in Serbian Oil Company (NIS), and at that time there was a very high inflation, like in Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe. To my question, what are they going to do about this hyperinflation, he replied: No big deal, we'll just have to steal more.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Latest debt numbers :

Debt for fiscal year starting October 1 2010 till August 31 2011 : 1.073 trillion or 3.2139 billion/day
Debt for calendar year 2011 till August 31 : 686.36 billion. 2.8245 billion/day
Current debt as of August 31 : 14.684 trillion
Current debt ceiling : 14.694 trillion (first phase) 15.194 trillion (second phase) 16.694 trillion (final phase)

At the current average rate of 3.0192 billion in new debt/day (or about 9.74$ in new debt per day for every citizen in America...and that is just federal) it will take about 4 days before reaching the first phase of the debt ceiling hike, aka September 4 or so.

14.684 trillion in debt... 14.53 trillion of GDP... So America is basically 101% in debt. Once you cross 100%, you are pretty much screwed... especially with the population pyramid of the US... another example of that is the population pyramid of Japan... and they are now 200%+ in debt to GDP... and it won't get better... not for a few generations at least.

Obama is gonna have to raise the debt ceiling this week-end or next week... I wonder if the MSM will even talk about it... I doubt it.
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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As everything in this nation media will come around with some sex scandal to keep the tax payer oblivious of what the government is doing.

Just watch for the littler banner at the end of the new media sources to post the news on the debt ceiling, while some juicy sex scandal of one of the reality show "stars" will be playing all over.

Hey, I forgot we got a possible Hurricane in the Atlantic and a Tropical depression in the Gulf.

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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As everything in this nation media will come around with some sex scandal to keep the tax payer oblivious of what the government is doing.

Just watch for the littler banner at the end of the new media sources to post the news on the debt ceiling, while some juicy sex scandal of one of the reality show "starts" will be playing all over.

Hey, I forgot we got a possible Hurricane in the Atlantic and a Tropical depression in the Gulf.


and Wikileaks just released All Cables,uncensored and unredacted...great Timing

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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No, man, it's not THEM! It's da ROBOTS!

www.washingtonpost.com... 011/09/01/gIQAId83uJ_story.html




The problem of shoddy mortgage paperwork, which comprises several shortcuts known collectively as “robo-signing,” led the nation’s largest banks, including Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo & Co., and other lenders to temporarily halt foreclosures nationwide last fall.


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