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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:15 PM
As the cockroaches start hitting the light

Covered Counterparties

Some banks that were paid by AIG after it was bailed out by the government

* Goldman Sachs
* Deutsche Bank
* Merrill Lynch
* Société Générale
* Calyon
* Barclays
* Rabobank
* Danske
* Royal Bank of Scotland
* Banco Santander
* Morgan Stanley
* Wachovia
* Bank of America
* Lloyds Banking Group

The beneficiaries of the government's bailout of American International Group Inc. include at least two dozen U.S. and foreign financial institutions that have been paid roughly $50 billion since the Federal Reserve first extended aid to the insurance giant.

Among those institutions are Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Germany's Deutsche Bank AG, each of which received roughly $6 billion in payments between mid-September and December 2008, according to a confidential document and people familiar with the matter.

full article

Another must read

[edit on 3/6/09 by redhatty]

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:16 PM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

Hum, my husband is not going to like this one, but still the money for the company he works for (one of the largest)
already had their defense contracting budget allocated at least for the next two years.

Still the future doesn't look peachy unless Obama decides to keep the fight going in the middle east at least back to Afghanistan and he already said he would.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:18 PM
reply to post by redhatty

Well finaly we get to see this in writing wiht names on it, before was nothing but speculation as how much money and to whom was given that it was not an America base group.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:20 PM
John Maudlin's Weekly E letter Warning: .pdf - not large

too large to C&P here though

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:24 PM
reply to post by marg6043

What infuriates me is that #1 US banks got a "double dipping" by direct bailout funds and then AIG funds and #2 WTF are we doing sending money via AIG to foreign banks that are also "double dipping" from aid from their .govs and OURS

This is taxpayer money - granted it doesn't even exist yet, and won't for many, many years, but the debt is sign and sealed

This crap is getting so ridiculous - I am truly afraid of what the civil unrest is going to be like when it does hit

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:25 PM
reply to post by redhatty

When I read that article I felt like my head spinning still it sounds to me like those pyramid scams that were so popular back in the eighties.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:28 PM
reply to post by redhatty

Hah! How many times did we ATSers say the bailout money was being shoveled out of the US! And now here we are...People should turn off their TVs and come here...This is way better and FAR ahead of the MSM.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:31 PM
reply to post by redhatty

yes you are right and finally we get to see what is coming, see I had some people that were debating me about whom were those foreign banks that were getting money from Americas tax payer, but I was not able to find links.

Now we do, still many American banks and their investors are not even from America at least the biggest investors.

I remember when the bail out was on congress that Bush made a comment that stuck with me but could not follow up on it.

He said that our friends will not be forgotten when the bail out was passed or something between the lines, that kind of stick with me but was forgotten amid the news on the failed banks.

I am glad to see that I was not crazy and that I was not making this up.

Sometimes is frustrating when you hear something in the news but can no find a link to backed up.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by marg6043]

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:31 PM
reply to post by redhatty

I'm still reading that .pdf that you posted, but reading about giving all the kids F's because one kid failed reminded me of this physics teacher I had in high school.

He was the kind of teacher that would give insanely hard question and more people failed that class than passed. I swear every test we took like 2 people would pass it and the other 15 would fail.

When we would compare our test he would mark a question wrong for something as simple as a division sign not looking like a division sign. It was crazy stuff.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:49 PM
I've never liked the rating system or Agencys.

As stated in that article, their system doesn't give a fair view of % of risk.

As for the Agencys themselfs...everyone has their own motives.

I can't believe anyone would let any Bank/Investment/Hedge fund Institution rate/grade about stabbing someone in the back...

Seems the 6th was a big newsday...maxed out the 10K text limit for the post!!!

[edit on 3/6/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:52 PM
Sorry to go OT, but someone was speaking of shopping for "lead" supplies and having trouble with 9 & 45.

Here's a couple of places I have done well with

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:57 PM
reply to post by redhatty

I'll give you a plus one for centerfire systems. I buy from them all the time.


posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:59 PM
reply to post by redhatty

Nice link to centerfire that is bookmarked.

Rocks aren't bad weapons either.

Bank on topic

Thanks Red

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 12:23 AM
I just LOVE this one

Going Galt

The right has a new hero to lead the Tea Party revolts Rick Santelli started: John Galt.

According to the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights, sales of Atlas Shrugged hit an all-time high last year, and have “almost tripled” in the first seven weeks of 2009 against last year.

Michelle Malkin is the Norma Rae of this Galt moment, walking the virtual shop floors of the country’s “wealth producers,” but instead of “Strike!” her sign reads “Going Galt!”

In her syndicated column this week, Malkin explains:

While they take to the streets politically, untold numbers of America’s wealth producers are going on strike financially. Dr. Helen Smith, a Knoxville forensic pathologist and political blogger, dubbed the phenomenon “Going Galt” last fall. It’s a reference to the famed Ayn Rand novel, “Atlas Shrugged,” in which protagonist John Galt leads the entrepreneur class to cease productive activities in order to starve the government of revenue. (Not coincidentally, Rand’s novel sales are up and John Galt references punctuated many of the Tea Party demonstrations.)

Wait. John Galt?

If you need a refresh, here’s a semi-snarky one courtesy of Tristero at Hullabaloo:

John Galt is the copper-haired, white-boy protagonist in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. Galt leads a revolutionary movement in which all the top leaders of the banks and corporations forsake their corporate jets and perks to work in diners or as subway repair guys. No they weren’t fired by Galt. Rather, Galt urged them to go on strike and withdraw their expertise from an increasingly socialist world. Deprived of the genius of their genius, the world economy collapses.

Who exactly is thinking about Going Galt? Lisa Schifferen at The Corner has the rundown:

The doctors, lawyers, engineers, executives, serious small-business owners, top salespeople, and other professionals and entrepreneurs who make this country run work considerably harder than pretty much anyone else (including most of the chattering class, and all politicians). They are not robber barons, or trust-fund babies, or plutocrats, or even celebrities. They are mostly the meritocrats who worked hard in high school and got into the better colleges and grad schools, where they studied while others partied. They pushed through grueling hours and unpleasant “up or out” policies in their twenties and thirties at top law firms, banks, hospitals, and businesses to earn salaries in the solid six figures (or low seven) today — in their peak earning years. Their work ethic is prodigious, and . . . in their spare time they sit on the boards of most of the complex charities and arts institutions that provide aid and pay for culture in America. No group of people contribute more to their community. And now the president, who followed a path sort of like that, and who claims that his wife’s former six-figure income was a result of precisely such qualifications and efforts, is demonizing them. More problematically, he is penalizing their success and giving them very clear incentives to ratchet back on productivity.

So, what happens when the heart surgeons, dentists, litigators, and people who employ 10 or 20 other people in their mid-size businesses decide that they don’t want to pay for the excessive, pointless spending that the president finds so compelling? Instapundit speculates on people “going John Galt.” I think golf — a time-intensive sport that the hard-working have eschewed for the past decade or two because it took too long — will make a comeback.

More at link on top

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 12:32 AM
I do hope this happens. Very much so. We need a change in the world.

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:51 AM
If interested...send a shortcut of this post to your desktop...refresh for a "live update"...

World Market Watch

[edit on 3/7/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 03:57 AM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

...and where are those economies going to get this money...


Like before.

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 04:05 AM
reply to post by DangerDeath
I think "they" call it Imperialism these days...

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:03 AM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

Land ho!

Kepler Mission to Hunt for Earth-like Planets

- Mistah Kepler, find us new Lands rich in gold.
- Yessah, sah!
- And bring the gold BACK here.
- Yessah, bring GOLD back here, sah!
- And KEEP the land, we need it to OUTSOURCE.
- Said - Done!

Rhetoric question:

Are there other worlds like ours? Are we alone?

Like ours? God FORBID!

[edit on 7-3-2009 by DangerDeath]

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:20 AM
reply to post by DangerDeath

If they can flood the market with gold it'll give them just one more option for bringing the economy crashing down.

Nice going, PTB...

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