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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 03:37 AM

Originally posted by time91
Thats the main point I was trying to make, that started this. That gold IS (obviously) important.

I thought you made your point well

Yeah, that BIS Gold swap ignited about 6 weeks of needless hysteria and some rather bazaar speculation, but after suffering through a couple decades of cartel skulduggery aimed specifically at capping prices, I find that hyper-vigilance and acute scepticism are pretty common traits in the hardcore Gold camp...valid survival mechanisms imo.

As you posted, Jim Sinclair, cool as ever, nailed it from the git. A Gold swap is basically just a collateralized loan agreement between two banking institutions...the Gold never sees the open market, and the transaction doesn't even require a vault-to-vault custodial transfer. A Gold lease on the other hand can serve as a basis for the dreaded Gold Carry Trade.

Not the first time we've seen confusion over this issue...and it probably won't be the last. Back in 2007, Tom Szabo from Silveraxis wrote a defining piece on the dynamics of swaps..vs..leases.


GL times91!

posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 07:36 AM
Americas economic review, can be summarized in this phrase,

Markets up economy down

How is that stores like home depot and home improvement can drive the markets to push new highs? but then again the housing market is still in the crapper?

Because is nothing but manipulations on expectations and hopes.

posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 07:42 AM
How much damage is doing the influx of foreign workers into US economy yearly? well from all the numbers the government keeps pushing as job grow you can now deduct a whopping 360,000 per year because that is the numbers of foreign workers taking American jobs thanks to L-1 visa transfers

So in other words most of the high pay jobs in executive and management is going to foreign workers.

Don't you love American companies and in sourcing I guess is not enough good workers in the US that they need to bring foreign ones.

posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 09:42 PM
Talk about double propaganda of the market

This was then

Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:32pm BST

Latam stocks rise as U.S., Europe fears ease

A stronger U.S. economy also bodes well for Mexico, which sends about 80 percent of its exports to its northern neighbor. Mexico's IPC index .MXX put on 0.72 percent in the afternoon.

"Liquidity is improving in Europe, and this is positive," said Jaime Ascencio, an analyst at brokerage Actinver in Queretaro, Mexico.

The spin on Wed

Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:40pm EDT

Stocks close nearly unchanged as investors uneasy

Latin American stocks closed near flat on Wednesday as investors saw little to reassure about the strength of a global recovery, even as a healthy Chilean economy helped drive up that country's equities higher.

"There's still no clarity on when there will be stronger economic growth."

typical ant it?

posted on Aug, 19 2010 @ 06:46 AM
"Double-Dip" Recession: A Misnomer in the Eyes of Americans

Hibah Yousuf of CNNMoney reported on August 17 that 22 cities are in danger of a double-dip recession. While many officials are hyping the possibility of a double-dip recession, the NBER considers the U.S. to be in one.

As unemployment remains high and private sector hiring decreases, Moody’s has increased the risk of a nation-wide double-dip recession to 25 percent, up from 20 percent.

Unemployment numbers still the major reason the US can no say that we are in economic recovery.

posted on Aug, 19 2010 @ 10:39 AM
CBO, the non-partisan budget analyst for Congress, forecast the U.S. budget deficit will hit $1.342 trillion this year, down slightly from its March projection of $1.368 trillion.

It's already 1.44 trillion YOU STINKING TARDS. Still today you still say the deficit for 2010 will be 1.342 trillion meaning it would need a 100 billion SURPLUS STARTING NOW TILL END OF SEPTEMBER. BULLCRAP. NEVER HAPPENED IN THE LAST 17 YEARS MINIMUM.

CBO are a bunch of big ass liars.

And now for their prediction for next year :

CBO also forecast a $1.066 trillion deficit for fiscal year 2011

YEAH SURE. If this happens, that means that the taxes that will start on January 1 will be stinking big.

If this is for real, if you take the current deficit for 2010 and you ``cut it`` to 1.066 trillion for 2011, you would need to add about 1874$ in taxes FOR EVERY PERSON IN THE US between January 2011 and October 1 2011.

If this is indeed what's gonna happen... damn people are gonna get screwed...and hard.

In the week ending Aug. 14, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 500,000, an increase of 12,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 488,000. The 4-week moving average was 482,500, an increase of 8,000 from the previous week's revised average of 474,500.

500.000! Back into ``depression`` levels of initial claims! Ooops...

[edit on 19-8-2010 by Vitchilo]

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 07:23 AM
this was the last question in a Deutsch interview with Max Keiser (who tells it like it is)


Do you share my opinion that the United States belongs to the least places in the world, where a revolution has to be expected right now?

America died two years ago. It’s a walking dead-zombie country, and anybody who still lives in that country should get re-familiarize themselves with cotton-picking, because once the dollar crashes, the only crop that America will be able to export, is cotton.
It will be King Cotton again.
It will be 1840 again. T
he only job available will be as a cotton-picker working on a Wal Mart or Goldman Sachs plantation. This is the reality of the situation.
There is no turning back at this point. The die has been cast.
The American experience lasted from 1776 to 2008.
Those were the years it was kicking ass and taking names.

But the second Obama took office, who took Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner with him – it died.
That was the end.
Every day since then has been Post-America.

Oh another tid bit in the 3 page interview, it seems 'Harvard' has cashed in all its holdings of Skekel based holdings, all Israeli stock...
read the article & find that the 'wisper' info to those in power is that the USA will allow the Israeli attack on Iran but will not stand by their action...Israel will be without support, left hanging, set adrift...
Israeli stock markets & stocks listed on the NYSE
are about to nosedive is the insiders info. being whispered among the elites

is this Baracks strategy to clean out the Necon base that are generally American zionists, or dual citizens....and associated more with Repugs than with the socialist demoncrats

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 08:11 AM
It seems that the New Age of Aquarius comes in with great floods, as is properly expected...

And who may be prepared for that? Not the Gold Junk, eh?

HAL 9000: I'm afraid...

[edit on 21-8-2010 by DangerDeath]

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Vitchilo
If this is for real, if you take the current deficit for 2010 and you ``cut it`` to 1.066 trillion for 2011, you would need to add about 1874$ in taxes FOR EVERY PERSON IN THE US between January 2011 and October 1 2011.
[edit on 19-8-2010 by Vitchilo]

Don't worry Vitchilo. Obama won't let that happen. Here he is saying that we will not "see" one dime in tax increases.

I think the operative word might be "see". I suppose if he just prints all he needs then we won't "see" that our purchase power dropped like a 20 ton stone and by the time everyone realizes that the economy has collapsed he'll be having a permanent vacation in Saudi Arabia.

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 12:27 PM
FDIC Friday...

8 banks...473.5 million $ or about 1.52$/person! Yay! Of course you have to pay for the kids and the unemployed and the homeless... So it's higher than 1.52$ for the working person...

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 01:46 PM
Major market crash predicted for fall just like '08. Dow 4000 possible.

Max Keiser & Stacy Herbert:

posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

I just read this article in The Telegraph online:

Government urged to reveal true national debt of £4.8 trillion

By Philip Aldrick, Economics Editor
Published: 7:33PM BST 20 Aug 2010
Here's the gist:

The Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) has calculated that the national debt is £4.8 trillion once state and public sector pension liabilities are included, or £78,000 for every person in the UK.

The IEA raised its concerns after the latest public finances data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) this week, which showed that the total debt, excluding bank bail-outs, is £816bn – itself a record high. However, the figures strip out the state's pension liabilities in a contravention of standard accounting practices.

Mark Littlewood, the IEA's director-general, said: "The latest official national debt figure is seriously misleading. Looming in the background are pension liabilities. These should be moved to the forefront.

"The ONS should include these liabilities in their calculations. It is shocking enough to see official figures revealing a jump in national debt over the last year from the equivalent of 48pc of GDP to 56pc, but the grave reality is that our real national debt stands at 333pc of GDP."

Nick Silver, an IEA research fellow, said the full figure, including the £1.2 trillion public sector pension liability and £2.7 trillion state pension liability, should be published either monthly or annually alongside the net debt data for reasons of transparency.

Key points then:

- Office for National Statistics publishing debt figure minus our full pension liabilities.

- IEA attempt to correct figures ends up with total UK debt of - wait for it - £4.8 trillion [$7.45 trillion], or £78,000 [$121,000]for every UK citizen.

This is not good news given the demographic changes that the UK, like most western nations,is facing (aging population, retirement of baby boomers due).

[edit on 21-8-2010 by curioustype]

[edit on 21-8-2010 by curioustype]

posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:26 AM

Everything is still on track with the recovery.

posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:40 AM
Is not going to be any major crash for the time being of at least until mid term elections and the reason is obvious no more explanation needed, so I will wait until that to see how things will go.

US economy is not better now that two years ago, just a lot of sugar coating and make up, in other worlds we live in a time of nothing but deceptions. . .

Wall Street Takes Another Tumble

Wall Street dipped again during trading yesterday, as investors continued to shy away from financials after other sectors of the economy showed little promise for growth. The NASDAQ suffered the worst performance by dropping 0.92 percent (20.13 points) on the day. Both the Dow Jones (0.38 percent, 39.21 points) and S&P 500 (0.40 percent, 4.33 points) finished lower on the day.

After the opening bell today markets dropped quickly below the marks set yesterday. The Dow was down nearly 100 points after the first hour, meaning investors in Wall Street could be in for a long and arduous day of trading.

The housing market is expected to be the driver of Wall Street momentum today. Unfortunately, that means we are in for a bumpy ride.

posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:53 PM
reply to post by marg6043

Id say the volatility brings back bad memories of 2007-2008 .. The ECONOMY (not the market) is showing signs that the decay is rampant and we face a severe deflationary spiral before us.. God only knows how Q4 will go, which makes up most of our economy... the markets albeit very discombobulated by the sheer level of liquid capital floating around, is starting to express the weakness of the Real Economy ...

In short, by Q4 to Q1 2011 the Real Economy is going to look extremely severe, if not just because of the huge hit in the Consumer Base, but also the ending of Government spending.

posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:29 AM
reply to post by Rockpuck

I tell you, my husband job that I told here in this board was going to be insourced by the government thanks to Obama cutting on contracting didn't happen, my husband is still working as a contractor, what they did was to bring somebody else from another state to take over and the government didn't even gave my husband an offer because it was cheaper to bring somebody else for less money.

My husband a retired marine didn't need the government benefits because he have them already, after all the stress he went all this months thinking he was to lose his job or forced to take a cut it didn't happen, he still safe with the private company he is with.

The government just added another job, so how can that save money?

I don't get it.

The housing number suck again and worst, unemployment at a all high, then can somebody tell me how this means the economy is getting better, just for the big fat rats in wall street

posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 01:42 PM
It seems the turd on CNBC, Cramer, is predicting a massive panic tomorrow morning in the markets.

Albert Edwards predicting SP500 at 450... Technical data predicting SP500 around 800...

And of course the Hindenburg Omen confirmed 4 times so far...

EVERYONE, from economists, to macro data to technical data is predicting a massive selloff in the stock markets.

Tomorrow will be the day they reveal GDP data... probably under 1%... which will make the markets collapse...

But since Cramer is predicting a crash, it will probably be a big rally.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by Vitchilo]

posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:13 PM
Ron Paul Calls for Audit of US Gold Reserves

Obviously there have been rumors that the gold in Fort Knox is fake (or just not there). Also if anyone remembers the "Tungsten Gold":
Largest Private Refinery Discovers Gold Plated Tungsten Bars

I don't know what exactly is going on with gold, but it is clear someone has made off with a lot of it. Of course, this story could have made gold prices drop, but once everyone realized that it meant gold was even more rare, it went up again. These stories were somewhat suppressed, they were covered briefly though.
No surprise, but no one thinks an actual audit will happen. I think Ron Paul is just trying to bring attention to the issue, like with audit the fed. I doubt he expected an honest full audit to happen.

In other news, as Vitchilo posted, everyone and their sister is predicting a market crash. Although, like above said, the markets move inverse to Cramer's predictions....

I'm just waiting until the volatility index drops to 26 flat again, then I'll buy a few shares and sell it at 34. That is, unless the markets actually crash sooner than that.

posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Vitchilo
It seems the turd on CNBC, Cramer, is predicting a massive panic tomorrow morning in the markets.

Albert Edwards predicting SP500 at 450... Technical data predicting SP500 around 800...

And of course the Hindenburg Omen confirmed 4 times so far...

EVERYONE, from economists, to macro data to technical data is predicting a massive selloff in the stock markets.

Tomorrow will be the day they reveal GDP data... probably under 1%... which will make the markets collapse...

But since Cramer is predicting a crash, it will probably be a big rally.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by Vitchilo]

lol guess what happend.... big rally. Goverment anounced it will buy its own bonds! Great news. Let me pay my VISA off with my MASTER card!

posted on Aug, 28 2010 @ 07:23 AM
reply to post by camaro68ss

Got to love the way that our corrupted corporate run government do business at the expenses of the American tax payer and work force.

Rob the poor hard working to maintain the rich.

In this nation our own corporate government has been stealing the work force and tax payer for decades to pay themselves off, they just call it bailouts.

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