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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Apr, 11 2010 @ 10:22 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

Yeah and corporate debt comes due in 2012. This is the collapse of the final empire to be sure -- but will humanity survive?

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 07:41 AM
reply to post by Vitchilo

That is not only in Illinois is going on all over the nation, in my state of Ga already the state government wants to cut into education not only public but also the grands and financial help to the higher education, this will put thousands of teachers in the streets, will force small local colleges to either raise their tuition or close their doors and then wait when the forced mandatory HCR hit the states as the states will have to provided for full coverage of medicaid for the poor as the fed is promising only 100% until 2017, then what! is going to fall on the state tax payers.

No, America is not recovering actually is digging a bigger hole where it will lie to rest while the rest of the world holding Americas debt will come in to claim their ownership.

posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 09:33 PM

Without exception, every time oil spikes 100% or more within a short period of time (one year or less) it has eventually led to a recession. Well Bernanke’s insane monetary policy has virtually guaranteed that will play out again as oil has now risen over 140% since this cyclical bull began.
Amazingly enough oil has done this in a very low demand/high supply environment. This fact could only be true if the cause for oil’s rise in price is directly attributed to the Fed’s monetary policy.

I think this guy's got a pretty good take on where we're at in this mess.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:42 AM
reply to post by HimWhoHathAnEar

They are simply riding on a fact that you people are not used to inflation.
The reason the oil price is up is inflation, DOW is up because of inflation. While people have less and less money - of course it looks like everything is so expensive

Take the iPad as an example. Is it really worth $500? Dollar is heavily devalued. What the PTB are trying to hide right now is the true currency that has taken over, but we will discover soon... Because the value of dollar and other "matching" currencies are relative to that, now still invisible, currency.

If there is no such currency, then there will be war. Because it will mean that oil itself is the currency and the war for monopoly over oil is already going on.

And gold - gold is out of play. Nobody knows where the real gold is. Where are the reserves of gold? Can't drill for it, really.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 11:36 AM
reply to post by DangerDeath

I don't understand what you are saying.

According to CPI we are at 116% inflation since 1982.

From 1982 - 2010 the DJIA is up over 1100% !

So OK, I'll continually keep the pace of inflation up if I know I can get into something like SPY and historically just dominate inflation over a 20+ year time span.

You are getting misinformed DangerMan. Stop reading punk blogs like ZH and KD, all full of twisted information to make markets look bad because they have no idea how to trade.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 01:10 PM
reply to post by GreenBicMan

I am talking about world wide inflation, for which you don't have a relative value to even estimate it. Why is oil going up, since there is no economical reason for that? The reason is political.

You can calculate yourself the inflation since autumn 2008. It is about 40%, even at first glance. The DOW is still around 7.000, as it was at that time. What economic boom happened to cause it to jump to 11.000? None! There was only bailouts and lots of layoffs. You can't say those numbers are real value increase.

Read some history. All wars were about establishing monopoly over trade goods and routes.

Indian and Chinese nation building at the expense of West is causing inflation.

West is being systematically destroyed. Such politics pays to the thieves in banks and other similar institutions, and they don't care about the rest of us. They are not patriots. They are simply scum.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 02:53 PM
reply to post by DangerDeath

Wow man, I'm not wrong and you are way off about inflation.

Not trying to be mean but seriously 40% inflation with CPI about 2 handles higher than this time last year?

No way, inflation does not equal equity market gains.

I am not sure what you are getting at but my only point is equity markets are 10x as efficient at beating inflation than you probably realized, so inflation should be no worry for someone that is hedged.


posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:17 PM
One thing for certain, and certain meaning the relative sense, lol, Obamanomics has got the market on the upswing and I wonder how many made some money off of that.

Greenbicman must have.

The guys that got in back in 2008 of nov/dec time period could have made a killing.

For that matter I wonder if anybody has made a lot of money off of this stock boom? I have not actually met anybody who has?!

I am sure their are though.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:01 PM
reply to post by whiteraven

The rich only got much richer after this assuming they were DOLLAR COST AVERAGING and were ALWAYS in the market.

Most people do not understand as a retail player the only way to be invested long term is:


2)Dollar Cost Averaging.

Anyway, about .05% of Americans can even grasp the mathematics behind it, which isn't hard at all, but if you are always *DCA* at specific intervals and you are trading only something like SPY (SP500 ETF) you have averaged yourself into quite a comfortable situation as of late. In fact you are happy this whole mess happened because it allowed you to average in for a MUCH LOWER PRICE.

As for me I lost some coin on a FOREX bucketshop I played with but did indeed come ahead big time with my variable annuity that allows for re-balancing. However, I do not see a dime of that money for a long ass time so I'm basically just still in debt. And I have plenty of time to lose it all back with poor moves in the next 20 years
, but I have been doing pretty well considering my starting capital.

Good luck

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:30 PM
GBM, you are narrowly focused on the Market, and I am trying to see the state of the nation.

American nation is in debt several trillion dollars (how much exactly), federal budget is 1,8 trillion dollars south, increased taxes compensate for the image of inflation, because they diminish purchasing power of citizens (deflation). So this game of artificial deflation vs. actual inflation shows small inflation, while in fact it is much bigger. The elite trading in the market may not feel the situation as it is for everyone else.

Soon, there will be another bailout. I'm sure market will rejoice...

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:36 PM
reply to post by DangerDeath

All the bearish news about debt is true but the S&P still hasn't hit 1200 so we are not headed down yet

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by DangerDeath

But all this debt that isn't due ANYTIME SOON has nothing to do with inflation going up a supposed 40% this year.

Also, we have always had debt worries as far back as I can remember. Spending more than we have is the "American way".

But think about this, for the Americans that bitch about inflation constantly, if they took half the money they spent on beer and started to dollar cost average for the rest of their life into something like SPY they would have a wealth that they can pass on generations to come.

Inflation is inherent for how this current econ. is set up. It is a given, but when we start talking about how inflation has supposedly "ruined" this country these people need to think again because wealth has been continually compounding for the well informed for quite a while. For those that haven't figured this out yet all it takes is 5 whole minutes of investigation and a CFP/CRPC Private Wealth Planner. I mean # I just did all the work for you (not you specifically) in my last post in this thread. And I mean seriously, look at me, I'm not that bright.

But I hate this debate about how this and that can only lead to destruction etc...

Well maybe it does, and if it does it won't matter anyway because we are all set back to the stone age after not being able to have electricity for your home or gas for your car.

So the most logical course of action is learn how to profit from it (I just explained how) and then actually implement it instead of having a home you cannot afford and a car payment that is 10x what you should have in reality. Again, not referencing you specifically, but the median avg. American consumer.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:29 PM
There is a legendary film, "Sting" it is called (with Redford and Newman). It is about gambling and fixing the game. It explains everything. How important is to control the incoming news media. If you control that, you control time and you can do timing as you please. This is a 100% analogy to the real game in the market.

Professional gamblers never gamble. They control the game. Everybody else is gambling. The most important thing is that gamblers believe the game is not fixed. Gambling is a passion, true gamblers don't WANT to disbelieve. That is a very strong trump in the hands of professionals.

Someone has the prevailing mass of money and can direct market anyway he wants. Of course, it is not just one man, but there is a single mind behind this. Knowing this, how can anyone look into the graphs and believe to find some "logic" in what is happening, and based on that, "predict" the next move. What are the real "indications"?

Polish top 100 die in an airplane crash?
Over the night and over the weekend signing of 900 billion bill(s)?
Russian fleet maneuvers around the Aleuts, Chinese fleet showing up between Japan and Taiwan?
Apple promoting its new gadget?
Ahmedinejad claiming there are nuclear bombs in American cities ready to go off at first sign of Iran being attacked?
Oil price going up despite low demand (someone is stockpiling)?
Greek bond sale attracts strong demand?
Income falls 3.2% during Obama's term?
Medical Schools Can't Keep Up?

Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.

Hell, they are going to mandatory tax people, and then, what? Where all doctors disappear?

And I'm sure, the market will ignore all this... Because the gamblers will.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:42 PM
reply to post by DangerDeath

Professional gambles DO LOSE. They just have BETTER MONEY MANAGEMENT than I did with my bookie in college when I was 20 years old. I know some guys in college football that continually do VERY WELL every year and lose > 40% of the time.

The stock market, for anyone that is NOT IN THE TOP 10 RICHEST IN THE WORLD, is about figuring out what big money is up to then following closely on their coattails.

We do not control or create trends, WE FOLLOW THEM.

And even the FED with all it's buying power cannot just buy say 1,000,000,000,000 SP 500 futures contracts and just boost it like ZH and KD would lead you to believe.

In fact the FED does not want to do this as they have more benign ways of STARTING A NEW TREND. Once big money speculators and the like have figured this out then you will see it on the charts. Once you see it you hop on and don't get off until you see it end.

I don't get it, why is it easy for me to delineate all this without going into historical stories about Rome and this and that all this # that doesn't have anything to do with 2010. Don't forget about the Faulklands etc.. god damn I mean it's getting old. Again, not you specifically but I keep reading it over and over on this website like it's actually relevant to the conversation.

The funny part is when you try to help someone they tell you either

a) How do you enjoy drinking the blood of all Americans?

b) You must be some government shill on this site..

- or -

c) 1 : 50 actually do their own research then come up with mostly the same solutions as I.

It is 99.99% due to rational thought and research. Everything else is just spewing the same old rhetoric from people that have been burned 100x over in their life because they always bought high and sold low sorry to say unfortunately.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:06 PM
U.S. Feb. Trade Deficit Widens

How the government work the bad news to make it all good.

Import growth continued to outpace export growth in February as the trade deficit rose 7.4 percent, to $39.7 billion, the Commerce Department reported Tuesday.

While some economists view the numbers optimistically, arguing that the increased trade deficit is a result of increased demand for consumer goods - a sure sign that the economy is improving - to some it is yet another example of America’s failed trade policies slowly but surely sinking the economy.

Imports for the months grew 1.7 percent, to $182.88 billion, an increase from the $179.84 billion worth of goods and services imported in January.

Exports of goods and services, however, rose just 0.2 percent to $143.7 billion. Still, that marks the highest level of exports the U.S. has seen since October 2008, the report says.

Many believe that as long as imports are outpacing exports, job losses are to be expected.

posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:11 PM
America is turning the face to the other side when it comes to Market manipulation to kiss the butts of those that hold our debt

The Markets "grow and international manipulation?

Is all nothing but fake.

The slight rise on the Dow Jones Industrial Average was enough to push the index above 11,000 at the closing bell for the first time in 18 months. Unfortunately, after striving to finally pass that psychological threshold yesterday, markets pulled back at the opening bell Tuesday morning.

According to Bloomberg News, much of the drop today is based on sales estimates falling short of predicted numbers. The largest single influence was aluminum producer Alcoa, which lost 2.2 percent according to its first quarter report for 2010.

In other news, according to Reuters, President Hu Jintao told President Obama on Monday that Beijing would not give in to outside pressure when it comes to letting the yuan slip from its dollar peg. U.S.-China tensions have risen in the past few months ahead of speculation that Washington would finally take a tough stance against China’s overt manipulation of international currencies.

Every international authority in the world accepts that illegal manipulation is taking place; the U.S. needs only to have official recognition by the president (or his Treasury Secretary) to take action in countering this practice. Unfortunately, the White House is fearful of upsetting its largest creditor and starting an unnecessary international conflict. They hope that a negotiated float can be achieved, but at this rate it seems like China will only take the most marginal of steps toward real currency appreciation.

posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 07:12 AM
Slightly off previous topic folks however , due to the volcanic cloud shouldn't share punters be selling the socks off BA etc - last I looked only dropped 4 points!

Get in there !

posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 07:22 AM
reply to post by slidingdoor

Perhaps you are implying that it might cost more for British Airlines to detour around the region? We don't need another media report of a plane going down due to the engines getting choked by volcanic ash. There will be those that buy the dip and take a profit overnight after the rim nations trade.

posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 07:37 AM
Hi Bordon 81,

I hadn't thought of the detour aspect potentially - more the lost revenue for every day the planes are grounded. At this moment in time there is uncertainty over the timeline as to when the U.K. and other Northern European affected airspace will re-open. (Sweden, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium as I write and of course Iceland itself)

Not much rain forecast at all to break up the cloud and not much news as to whether the volcano's eruption is much uncertainty .....

posted on Apr, 15 2010 @ 12:01 PM
reply to post by slidingdoor

It's not just BA, it's aviation in general. I heard an expert on Icelandic volcanoes say the last time this thing blew it lasted 2 YEARS.

(Though with BA having only just come through a period of industrial unrest it is looking particularly vulnerable.)

Aviation is arguably already a relatively risky ticket in the present economic climate (unless investors are in for the long haul), so your point is far from off-topic.

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