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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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reply to post by sligtlyskeptical
 


I doubt anyone bought at the bottom and is still holding, if they are congrats. There were many other places to take profits going long and short making more money than you would by just holding if you believe in the stair-step theory..

You notice we are getting a lot of opportunities




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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So you think big money sold off before the bell today?
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And HX, Karen Finerman is the only one worth watching on that program. And she has the stats to back herself up.


Oh yeah...Big Money took their gains and pocketed them as GPD tomorrow will disappoint and NO ONE tested the *chaser mentality* today...

Good call on KF...she's been a lot more helpful with her remarks through this...must be why she gets less air time...



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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I hate Finermann lol - her and her crocs call all the way down to single digits..

But all of them honestly are 50% - seriously - they are both right and wrong no better than 50% of the time..

What you don't see though is where people are getting in/out intraday and thats why making static calls in the market is ridiculous to follow unless you are sitting there trading the every move in real time if you know what I mean



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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I hate Finermann lol - her and her crocs call all the way down to single digits...


You Sir have spent way to many years in those *Clubs* you spoke of...

If you over look the likes of Ron Paul/Peter Schiff/Karen Finerman...


I HOPE you and your *Charts* will be happy together in *Da Gutter*...at least you'll have a lot of them and can roll them up for a Pillow...and use the others as a blanket...




[edit on 7/30/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
You notice we are getting a lot of opportunities


There's always opportunities in the stock/commodities/options/forex/futures and whatever else market. Hell I bet you didn't know you could by coc aine in Columbia and sell it in New Zealand for a 2000% profit. There's ALWAYS trading opportunities



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Moved by Hx3...


[edit on 7/30/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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I did know that if you could get it there lol

I also know you could do the same in tampa if you had enough salt

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Note: I have no idea what I am talking about in this post



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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It never ends if you can keep the temperment and patience my friend.

Equities, are NOT a zero sum game, but futures ARE and no one feels bad about robbing the other..

Of course there are infinity reasons for people going and getting out of positions. There is so much randomness in the market it is hard to put it into those terms, at least for me.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
 


I did know that if you could get it there lol

I also know you could do the same in tampa if you had enough salt

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Note: I have no idea what I am talking about in this post



Originally posted by Hx3_1963

I hate Finermann lol - her and her crocs call all the way down to single digits...


You Sir have spent way to many years in those *Clubs* you spoke of...

If you over look the likes of Ron Paul/Peter Schiff/Karen Finerman...


I HOPE you and your *Charts* will be happy together in *Da Gutter*...at least you'll have a lot of them and can roll them up for a Pillow...and use the others as a blanket...




So...what does this mean to mankind?

Your buy low...sell high...

Mentality on the way up will turn to...

Short the hell out of them on the way down...

To insure you make the most of every situation...at the cost of what?

Where does it end?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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Well maybe I could lay that paper down for my dog on my diamond plated floor I would have made on the way up.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Hx3_1963
 


Well maybe I could lay that paper down for my dog on my diamond plated floor I would have made on the way up.


Nah...don't work that way...

You'll have to pull it up to pay for the Security...or they'll pull it up for you...

Remember the *Mentality*...



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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Wouldn't be the first time I have had it all taken away from me..

Although I will be damned if an internet stock does it to me 2x!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Hx3_1963
 


Wouldn't be the first time I have had it all taken away from me..

Although I will be damned if an internet stock does it to me 2x!


Remember Made-Off...

It really saddens me to think of what America has become...

We used to make THINGS...with VALUE...

Now...we trade paper...for cheap/worthless things other make...

And hope we make more paper...

With our up coming poor diet...we'll need it to *clean up*...

Why are we to 66% capacity?

Because everyone has 3x of everything...

Until it wears out....................................................



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963

Wouldn't be the first time I have had it all taken away from me..

Although I will be damned if an internet stock does it to me 2x!


Remember Made-Off...

It really saddens me to think of what America has become...

We used to make THINGS...with VALUE...

Now...we trade paper...for cheap/worthless things other make...

And hope we make more paper...

With our up coming poor diet...we'll need it to *clean up*...

Why are we to 66% capacity?

Because everyone has 3x of everything...

Until it wears out....................................................


I know what you are saying but most people don't trade and have no idea what to do and if they did they will lose their money and get discouraged. America still produces, but trading is now important with the introduction to discount electronic brokers. Trading was always important (look at the 1920's). Which is good so companies can have extra cash to tap into. and more liquidity. But yes, there is a casino like behavior that permeates stock trading often.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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OK...

I give...

Lets all put our money into company's stock and hope we'll have enough left over to buy the things they produce...

OH WAIT...

Who's producing what???

Where are we going to invest this money???

Hmmm...

Seems China is going to concentrate on commodity's (good place to spend all those $'s they have at record low resource prices...before the $ tanks...they can even demand 33%-45% price cuts from AUS...if that don't work...start a indictment...) and their *consumer economy* with their stimulus...can anyone say, "Repeat of last Depression"?

(thinking out loud...)

[edit on 7/30/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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I don't think that the market analysts will foolishly try to pin the end-of-session selling to some external reasons. The traders are not contracted to listen to anything else but their desire to make a buck.

Now here's something to consider. Unlike in geometry where special points (like the tangent points) are drawn the same way as the ordinary points (like those between the beginning and the ending of the straight line or the curve), the market points have their magnitude. There may be quite a difference between a point drawn with Volume= 600,000 and a point drawn by Volume = 8,000,000. So if you assign different colors to the points that make the DJI, for example, according to the volume, you get a "3D" curve. The first and apparent correlation is between the volume and the slope: the higher the volume, the steeper the slope in either direction. The conclusion is that the curve max and min points are not of the same value with respect to the volume. But I'm not changing the simple rules and will treat all points as equal to each other.

I wonder about how things will develop tomorrow . . .



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Yes, there actually is something like that, called volume weighted adjusted (average) price or VWAP there is also a volume by price overlay that overlaps the volume on the chart going from right to left (longer bars where more volume is) - (you can find all these on sierracharts if you really want to dig)

Besides the end of the day, to me at least, volume doesn't mean anything, and can be construed to be whatever you want it to mean at the time.

VWAP is basically this

If you buy it below the VWAP it is a good trade and if you sell above it is good as well.. lol.. great idea right?

But in reality large scale buying/sell operations use these lines to break up orders with their "bots".. but honestly thats where it gets too complex for me and I can just conjure up guesses..

Here is the forumula if anyone is interested

VWAP = (∑ Number of shares purchased x price of shares)/(Total Shares purchased)

Basically the money exchanged in every transaction it should equal an average or relative price of what the stock/whatever is worth..

Like I said, I dont know if anyone uses this but money managers or something, but its not my style, and neither really is volume unless it is really impressive.. but there are so many conclusions to draw with volume..

That is why I prefer tick charts.. filters out the noise and just shows you every trade (or every 233 trades = 233 tick charts which I mostly look at)

This could point you in the right direction if you are looking to cook up something new.




[edit on 30-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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And how things end up tomorrow

I dont think its a coincidence previously we ended up at the same conclusion as not going anywhere but who knows where in between.

Also feeds into the bear flag theory as I said I have going along... would be very very very very very very surprised to see a solidified % gain of any kind tomorrow



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
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And how things end up tomorrow

I dont think its a coincidence previously we ended up at the same conclusion as not going anywhere but who knows where in between.

Also feeds into the bear flag theory as I said I have going along... would be very very very very very very surprised to see a solidified % gain of any kind tomorrow


Bear flag--->meaning you think in the very short term stocks will go down? That is always what I thought a bear flag meant. Though I guess it could be longer than short term, but since I know you...



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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If you go back to my post where I highlighted the recent bear flags and I also go into detail in the next one with the FIB Sequences (even though I really dont buy into it, it did match up almost with my prediction)

Usually just means correction.. Fib was 940 I said 945 and I'm not kidding I swear to god my dad said his nose hair was longer than his ear hair he pulled out so the market will charge upwards tomorrow ( i put my life on the last sentence i just typed, really) hahahaha - said it never fails, I told him I would eat my hat if that happened..

IMO he will be whipsaw'd into submission, but like I said, I have been wrong b4.



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