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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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It's like the little kid that got tricked into eating something that they thought was nasty. You give it to them and they think it is good and then when you tell them what it is they are like, eww and puke.


That is hilarious, they are the ones believing the tripe. Maybe if they actually acted like journalist and did their homework they wouldn't be so quick to spout of the WH talking points.




posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:03 AM
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Bad news? That is expected news!


On a serious note though, that is bad. It seems like the federal government doesn't hold a monopoly on fudged numbers, looks like the states are just as good at it.

The question I have is how many of these states are using this money for MORE entitlement programs. :shk:



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife


The question I have is how many of these states are using this money for MORE entitlement programs. :shk:


I cant speak on a nation wide level but here there's a bit of an up roar that while our state has a hiring freeze on the Governor was quietly placing friends in key positions... He's still buying a new jet and just bought another escalade (Doing his part to help out the auto biz don't ya know)


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[edit on 9-7-2009 by DaddyBare]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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I came across this in my morning reading...

Max Keiser: "Does the US Secretary of the Treasury work for the people or does he work for the banking system on Wall Street?"

Dr. Paul Craig Reports: "He works for Goldman Sachs."

Also a little blurb about the bank holiday coming this fall...




posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by DaddyBare
 


Bad news? That is expected news!


On a serious note though, that is bad. It seems like the federal government doesn't hold a monopoly on fudged numbers, looks like the states are just as good at it.

The question I have is how many of these states are using this money for MORE entitlement programs. :shk:


Hastobe, is the news better than expected though?



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
So whats the real number of unemployed?
this number was changed, back in the 80's under reagan, so i have been adding 50% to get a ballpark estimate. this is just a personal guess. so... i'd be looking at around 15% unemployment...besides they don't want the people to know what the real financial numbers of the U.S. economy look like.

It doesn't really matter to a market investor how many people are unemployed and whether the actual figure is 10% or 20%. What the investor wants to know is that the formula presently used to establish the figures is consistently applied. If so, then the increase or decrease is one of the major parameters to watch; it is an indicator of a future development. A certain decrease in the unemployment can point toward a much better economic activity taking place within a half a year, and the market can react to it by increasing its value by 15% within that period of time. So if you have $10 million as an investment money to your disposal, 15% yield within 6 months -- something only the market can offer -- can prompt you to split your stack and consider investing it in the market. It all depends on the level of risk you are going to accept to read and project the rates of change in the various economic indexes.

Market investment is a look into the future, but things got kinda cloudy, so the day time poker players are more or less calling the shots and they don't care much about the unemployment figures -- they just use it as an excuse to move the market around to create those quick sell/buy peaks that they make money from.


[edit on 7/9/2009 by stander]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by RolandBrichter


Sorry I know this isn't the purpose of your video, but the guy being interviewed said that China can develop a domestic market for their "things". I hear this so much, and it is so ridiculous. China will not be able to sustain itself with huge growth. The people in China 1)have huge savings, 2) their income is very very low. Their income will NOT rise without the rest of the world demanding their goods. They just cannot stimulate enough demand in that country for jobs to be demanded more than the supply of people--->thus raising wages. They also cannot force the people to not save. It just won't happen. It is a big myth.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Don't under estimate China, why? because just think, where was China 10 years ago economically. Look where is China today.

Don't please don't under estimate them, that was the biggest mistake our nation made back in the 90s.

four years ago, I was here in ATS telling people in Above politics about China and their big influences on Global economics, while the US was fighting their wars, getting more and more into debt and the nations jobs were shipped over sea.

Believed or not people in this forums were still in the believe that China was nothing but a nation living in the stone age, that our economy was solid (as per bushes rethoric) and that US was invicible (at least still is militarily).

Now they know better.

So don't under estimate them.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by RolandBrichter


Sorry I know this isn't the purpose of your video, but the guy being interviewed said that China can develop a domestic market for their "things". I hear this so much, and it is so ridiculous. China will not be able to sustain itself with huge growth. The people in China 1)have huge savings, 2) their income is very very low. Their income will NOT rise without the rest of the world demanding their goods. They just cannot stimulate enough demand in that country for jobs to be demanded more than the supply of people--->thus raising wages. They also cannot force the people to not save. It just won't happen. It is a big myth.


I'm with you 500% on China....
The growth is unsustainable (given present demand)..they are cooking their books... and revolution will be upon that country within a decade..

Maybe in the loooong term, but for now China ain't there yet...



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043


Don't under estimate China, why? because just think, where was China 10 years ago economically. Look where is China today.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by marg6043]


They didn't get where they are today alone. That is the argument people are making. That they can go at it alone and grow at 11% per year even if the rest of the world is in depression. It ain't gonna happen.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Thanks, for the link and video, yes I have been keeping up with them, the fall is going to be very interesting. He is talking about the same thing I have been drilling for some time about the nations ability to support itself without an industrial base.

Just read what I posted today so far about jobs and the growing working poor in America, that happens now to be what was once the middle class and educated class the bread and butter of the nations higher tax earners.

I expect another stimulus hitting the nations before or by fall as you know our economy can not longer survive without them.

But yes they are right, Goldman Sach rules the Federal Reserve, the Obama financial team and about everything in politics.

I think they even elect the president of the US.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
 


Don't under estimate China, why? because just think, where was China 10 years ago economically. Look where is China today.

Don't please don't under estimate them, that was the biggest mistake our nation made back in the 90s.

four years ago, I was here in ATS telling people in Above politics about China and their big influences on Global economics, while the US was fighting their wars, getting more and more into debt and the nations jobs were shipped over sea.

Believed or not people in this forums were still in the believe that China was nothing but a nation living in the stone age, that our economy was solid (as per bushes rethoric) and that US was invicible (at least still is militarily).

Now they know better.

So don't under estimate them.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by marg6043]


No underestimation necessary...just simple math...they CANNOT continue their rate of growth given the DIVE in global demand for their goods...

Now, they may have some things going for them in the long term, but for now, they are inexorably tied to the fortunes of the U.S.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by stander
Market investment is a look into the future, but things got kinda cloudy, so the day time poker players are more or less calling the shots and they don't care much about the unemployment figures -- they just use it as an excuse to move the market around to create those quick sell/buy peaks that they make money from.


[edit on 7/9/2009 by stander]


Yup, it's not about reality, it's just a casino.....but you can't have a casino without the "house"...

The "house" is about to close



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Yes, but right now they are undeniable in better shape that US is economically, even with their poverty levels still high.

Plus they have gained influences with countries that US just have forgotten because we were busy fighting in the middle east, and their popularity is growing. they are amasing vast amounts of resources and that means they are preparing for something big in the future.

Those that control resources control the world.

But you never know one thing that our nation is good at is helping destabilized nations when they become a treat, right now China is having some "ethnic problems", something that would have been prohibit years ago, riots and protest, without mass deaths and government retaliation.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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I know they were not where they are today, lets thank Clinton globalization for that, (or it was Reagan)


Anyway, they are taking advantage of where they are today and already have learned from what used to be the biggest industrial economy in the world, the US.

Believe it or not time is in their side while we are running out of it.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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The problem with all of it is the "global growth factor" and inflation targets...

How can anyone expect to maintain a ~2% growth rate year after year?

At some point the system gets saturated and demand falls off a cliff...

To much supply not enough demand...they need to make cheaper stuff that breaks faster



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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Oh god here we go again :shk:

@DaddyBare

Oh yea you know they have to have their phat caddies. Bunch of crooks. Do you know what the difference between a crook and a politician is? Nothing.

@RetinoidReceptor

That was an Eureka moment. We now know where the "better than expect" phrase comes from!


[edit on 9-7-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Unless you have a RealtyTrac account I cant send you to a source but I have noticed the GMAC is dumping a lot of their foreclosed homes cheap, cheap, cheap... being pat of GM I'm guessing their trying to clear the books but damn there's no telling how many tens of thousands of properties they held on to hoping for a market turn around...



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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A few news...

Warren Buffett says second stimulus might be needed

More looting...

Ron Paul On Fed Audit: We Will Not Be Stopped



FDIC Insurance Fund: It Doesn’t Actually Exist
Another scam to take out small banks and reduce the deficit...

Gold Price to reach record highs this year, says GFMS

And some news from congress... admitting the obvious...
“If every member pledged to not vote for it if they hadn’t read it in its entirety, I think we would have very few votes,``
Isn't that sweet? Congress admitting they don't read the bills they vote on...the lobbyists are writing them all up.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by Vitchilo]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

And some news from congress... admitting the obvious...
“If every member pledged to not vote for it if they hadn’t read it in its entirety, I think we would have very few votes,``
Isn't that sweet? Congress admitting they don't read the bills they vote on...the lobbyists are writing them all up.


I wonder some times who is lobbying for the American people, oops, that is the job of for the people elected congress.


Or used to be, once upon a time.



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