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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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ahhh... the POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS MY COMPUTER DOES ALL THE WORK NOT ME@!@@@@

I have nothing to do with it except to program the formulas.. my back testing results are 100% confirmed




posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
 


ahhh... the POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS MY COMPUTER DOES ALL THE WORK NOT ME@!@@@@

I have nothing to do with it except to program the formulas.. my back testing results are 100% confirmed


Are you claiming you have a sure proof way of always generating a profit and beating the S&P with just a click of a button? Sounds hard to believe.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Well you could pay GBM to write you a program. Then GBM would have money to actually have his auto program trade for him. Then we would be more inclined to listen to him, as he would be making the profits while we are more cautious.


Hells, maybe I'll buy one from him to.

Hey, he could start a internet add campaign "Trade stocks while you sleep! Earn $2million a year, thousands a day while your fishing or spending time with your family! Just send me a check for $2,000 and you will be added to an exclusive list of subscribers to receive detailed stock picks from my Auto Trading Program!"

Ohh to bad that market is saturated.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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I can beat the SP 500 by more than you could believe each year..

Look at the top hedge fund managers..

Making 180% every year year after year...

Its not because as I have said earlier - I am good at throwing darts..

Everything is based on math and % moves away from a standard deviation based on a major exponential moving avg (my method)

Many pro and inst. use the blackbox method I was referring to earlier with currencies,interest rates, metals, indicies.. etc..



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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As I have stated before I cant talk about my issues in a public forum as you know its against the rules talking about regulation d offerings and private placements.. Dont worry my results will have me laughing all the way to the bank very soon.. your comments are laughable if you are somehow inferring that my programming is amateur.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:47 AM
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your comments are laughable if you are somehow inferring that my programming is amateur.


Nonsense. I was only insinuating that your programming was fictitious. I would never consider your work to be that of an amateur, mate.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
 


I can beat the SP 500 by more than you could believe each year..

Look at the top hedge fund managers..

Making 180% every year year after year...

Its not because as I have said earlier - I am good at throwing darts..

Everything is based on math and % moves away from a standard deviation based on a major exponential moving avg (my method)

Many pro and inst. use the blackbox method I was referring to earlier with currencies,interest rates, metals, indicies.. etc..


The top hedge fund managers make like 30-40% every year. Which is still impressive nonetheless, but not 180%. Isn't a blackbox method just formulas/algorithms that are pre baked into the computer that buys/sells because of that? Like an algorithm saying:

Sell short Gold when Fed Funds Rate Target hits 2.5%



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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Now I am going to make you eat your words.

For this I am going to post 100% proof now and make you look foolish for questioning me..

Please hold



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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James Simons


Look him up

Over 100% every year with different class shares

EDIT: you are quoting %'s after fees associated mostly upwards of 50%

[edit on 2-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Rockpuck
 


Now I am going to make you eat your words.

For this I am going to post 100% proof now and make you look foolish for questioning me..

Please hold


I went to the closet and I took down me best hat. If you successfully put me in Awe I will gladly eat my hat.

I certainly hope you're going to WoW the hell outa me, this hat sure looks tasty!



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:53 AM
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*edited out too much scrambled info

[edit on 2-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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copy and paste it all out and organize it if you want.. it all comes out to beating the SP500 over the past 2 years at over 500 points



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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esh9

2/4/2009 9:55 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 1 Market Sell Open 843 ESH9 $237.50
2/4/2009 13:05 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 2 Market Buy Close 838 3/4 4 1/4
2/5/2009 12:10 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 3 Market Sell Open 845
2/5/2009 23:15 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 4 Market Buy Close 840 5
2/6/2009 9:40 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 5 Market Sell Open 854
2/8/2009 22:40 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 6 Market Buy Close 857 3/4 -3.75
3/11/2009 6:10 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 7 Market Sell Open 728 3/4
3/11/2009 9:35 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 8 Market Buy Close 720 8.75
3/12/2009 10:50 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 9 Market Sell Open 733 1/4
3/13/2009 9:35 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 10 Market Buy Close 752 -18.75
3/18/2009 14:25 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 11 Market Sell Open 797 3/4
3/19/2009 1:46 [SIM]ESH9 Filled 12 Market Buy Close 788 1/2 9.25





esm9


3/25/2009 10:05 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 13 Market Sell Open 821
3/25/2009 13:15 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 14 Market Buy Close 811 10 ESM9 $350.00
4/22/2009 10:25 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 15 Market Sell Open 853
4/22/2009 15:40 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 16 Market Buy Close 848 5
5/4/2009 10:05 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 17 Market Sell Open 891
5/5/2009 3:10 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 18 Market Buy Close 899 -8
5/29/2009 16:00 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 19 Market Sell Open 921
6/1/2009 20:05 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 20 Market Buy Close 939 -18
6/2/2009 10:05 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 21 Market Sell Open 947
6/2/2009 11:35 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 22 Market Buy Close 942 5
6/5/2009 8:35 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 23 Market Sell Open 956
6/5/2009 9:50 [SIM]ESM9 Filled 24 Market Buy Close 943 13









esh8

12/24/2007 9:50 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 81 Market Sell Open 1505 1/4 ESH8 $3,537.50
12/26/2007 9:05 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 82 Market Buy Close 1502 3/4 2 1/2
1/10/2008 12:25 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 83 Market Sell Open 1427
1/10/2008 13:40 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 84 Market Buy Close 1413 1/4 13.75
1/30/2008 14:20 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 85 Market Sell Open 1375 1/4
1/30/2008 15:45 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 86 Market Buy Close 1360 3/4 14.5
1/31/2008 11:55 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 87 Market Sell Open 1375 1/4
2/1/2008 8:45 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 88 Market Buy Close 1380 1/4 -5
2/26/2008 12:25 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 89 Market Sell Open 1385
2/27/2008 1:11 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 90 Market Buy Close 1382 3
3/5/2008 10:05 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 91 Market Sell Open 1340 1/4
3/5/2008 12:40 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 92 Market Buy Close 1334 6.25
3/11/2008 8:45 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 93 Market Sell Open 1302 1/4
3/11/2008 12:00 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 94 Market Buy Close 1289 13.25
3/12/2008 11:15 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 95 Market Sell Open 1331 1/2
3/12/2008 12:50 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 96 Market Buy Close 1321 1/2 10
3/19/2008 9:15 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 97 Market Sell Open 1339 3/4
3/19/2008 10:35 [SIM]ESH8 Filled 98 Market Buy Close 1327 1/4 12.5









esm8




3/24/2008 9:45 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 99 Market Sell Open 1342 1/4 ESM8 $712.50
3/24/2008 23:35 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 100 Market Buy Close 1351 -8 3/4
4/2/2008 8:20 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 101 Market Sell Open 1375 3/4
4/2/2008 9:55 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 102 Market Buy Close 1367 1/2 8.25
4/4/2008 7:55 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 103 Market Sell Open 1379 1/2
4/4/2008 8:35 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 104 Market Buy Close 1372 7.5
4/16/2008 10:35 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 105 Market Sell Open 1355
4/17/2008 3:50 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 106 Market Buy Close 1365 1/2 -10.5
4/18/2008 7:05 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 107 Market Sell Open 1387 1/4
4/18/2008 16:15 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 108 Market Buy Close 1387 1/2 -0.25
5/2/2008 8:35 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 109 Market Sell Open 1423 1/2
5/2/2008 11:00 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 110 Market Buy Close 1414 1/2 9
5/19/2008 10:10 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 111 Market Sell Open 1431 1/4
5/19/2008 14:20 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 112 Market Buy Close 1430 1.25
6/13/2008 10:05 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 113 Market Sell Open 1356 1/4
6/13/2008 13:05 [SIM]ESM8 Filled 114 Market Buy Close 1348 1/2 7.75













esu8



7/17/2008 7:05 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 115 Market Sell Open 1252 3/4 ESU8 $(187.50)
7/17/2008 11:05 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 116 Market Buy Close 1245 1/4 7 1/2
7/30/2008 8:35 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 117 Market Sell Open 1267 1/4
7/30/2008 12:45 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 118 Market Buy Close 1267 3/4 -0.5
8/8/2008 10:25 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 119 Market Sell Open 1284 3/4
8/11/2008 2:50 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 120 Market Buy Close 1289 -4.25
8/28/2008 8:40 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 121 Market Sell Open 1289 1/2
8/29/2008 0:10 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 122 Market Buy Close 1295 -5.5
9/7/2008 18:05 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 123 Market Sell Open 1267 3/4
9/8/2008 9:45 [SIM]ESU8 Filled 124 Market Buy Close 1268 3/4 -1










esz8



11/9/2008 18:05 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 1 Market Sell Open 944 1/2 ESZ8 $912.50
11/10/2008 9:05 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 2 Market Buy Close 951 -6 1/2
11/13/2008 15:45 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 3 Market Sell Open 898 1/2
11/14/2008 3:25 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 4 Market Buy Close 890 3/4 7.75
11/25/2008 8:20 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 5 Market Sell Open 864 1/4
11/25/2008 10:50 [SIM]ESZ8 Filled 6 Market Buy Close 847 1/4 17



esh7



12/14/2006 10:00 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 7 Market Sell Open 1434 3/4 ESH7 $12.50
12/15/2006 4:06 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 8 Market Buy Close 1439 1/4 -4 1/2
12/15/2006 8:35 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 9 Market Sell Open 1444 1/2
12/15/2006 9:50 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 10 Market Buy Close 1440 4.5
1/31/2007 14:35 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 11 Market Sell Open 1441
2/1/2007 11:05 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 12 Market Buy Close 1444 3/4 -3.75
2/2/2007 8:40 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 13 Market Sell Open 1454 1/2
2/2/2007 9:30 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 14 Market Buy Close 1452 1/4 2.25
2/14/2007 10:05 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 15 Market Sell Open 1455
2/15/2007 0:26 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 16 Market Buy Close 1458 1/4 -3.25
3/9/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 17 Market Sell Open 1410 3/4
3/9/2007 10:00 [SIM]ESH7 Filled 18 Market Buy Close 1405 3/4 5






esm7



3/21/2007 14:25 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 19 Market Sell Open 1435 1/4 ESM7 $(37.50)
3/22/2007 10:05 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 20 Market Buy Close 1444 -8 3/4
4/6/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 21 Market Sell Open 1457 3/4
4/9/2007 1:17 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 22 Market Buy Close 1457 3/4 0
4/13/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 23 Market Sell Open 1458 3/4
4/13/2007 9:55 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 24 Market Buy Close 1456 1/2 2.25
5/15/2007 10:20 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 25 Market Sell Open 1517 3/4
5/15/2007 13:50 [SIM]ESM7 Filled 26 Market Buy Close 1512 5.75





esu7


6/14/2007 9:50 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 31 Market Sell Open 1536 1/2 ESU7 $2,450.00
6/15/2007 0:06 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 32 Market Buy Close 1539 -2 1/2
6/15/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 33 Market Sell Open 1547 1/2
6/17/2007 18:05 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 34 Market Buy Close 1546 3/4 0.75
6/29/2007 10:05 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 35 Market Sell Open 1529 1/4
6/29/2007 12:15 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 36 Market Buy Close 1521 1/4 8
7/13/2007 10:50 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 37 Market Sell Open 1562 3/4
7/15/2007 18:00 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 38 Market Buy Close 1560 1/2 2.25
7/31/2007 7:35 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 39 Market Sell Open 1492 3/4
7/31/2007 10:30 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 40 Market Buy Close 1486 6.75
8/7/2007 11:55 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 41 Market Sell Open 1476
8/7/2007 14:20 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 42 Market Buy Close 1466 3/4 9.25
8/15/2007 10:30 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 43 Market Sell Open 1445 1/2
8/15/2007 11:50 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 44 Market Buy Close 1432 3/4 12.75
8/17/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 45 Market Sell Open 1456 1/2
8/17/2007 10:50 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 46 Market Buy Close 1426 30.5
9/4/2007 10:05 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 47 Market Sell Open 1483
9/4/2007 22:00 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 48 Market Buy Close 1486 3/4 -3.75
9/18/2007 14:40 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 49 Market Sell Open 1512 1/4
9/19/2007 14:05 [SIM]ESU7 Filled 50 Market Buy Close 1527 1/4 -15




esz7

10/1/2007 10:10 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 51 Market Sell Open 1549 1/4 ESZ7 $312.50
10/2/2007 3:40 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 52 Market Buy Close 1556 1/4 -7
11/14/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 53 Market Sell Open 1492 1/4
11/14/2007 11:10 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 54 Market Buy Close 1485 1/2 6.75
12/7/2007 8:35 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 55 Market Sell Open 1514 1/4
12/7/2007 10:30 [SIM]ESZ7 Filled 56 Market Buy Close 1507 3/4 6.5




esh6
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esu6
6/21/2006 9:50 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 57 Market Sell Open 1259 ESU6 $(325.00)
6/21/2006 22:16 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 58 Market Buy Close 1262 1/4 -3 1/4
6/29/2006 14:55 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 59 Market Sell Open 1279 1/4
6/30/2006 10:05 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 60 Market Buy Close 1281 -1.75
7/19/2006 10:05 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 61 Market Sell Open 1258 1/2
7/20/2006 7:10 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 62 Market Buy Close 1265 1/4 -6.75
7/25/2006 10:10 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 63 Market Sell Open 1273
7/25/2006 10:40 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 64 Market Buy Close 1265 8
7/25/2006 15:20 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 65 Market Sell Open 1275 1/4
7/25/2006 22:50 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 66 Market Buy Close 1271 1/2 3.75
8/4/2006 8:36 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 67 Market Sell Open 1294 1/4
8/4/2006 11:55 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 68 Market Buy Close 1289 1/4 5
8/15/2006 8:36 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 69 Market Sell Open 1281
8/16/2006 2:15 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 70 Market Buy Close 1287 3/4 -6.75
8/16/2006 8:35 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 71 Market Sell Open 1292 3/4
8/17/2006 0:01 [SIM]ESU6 Filled 72 Market Buy Close 1297 1/2 -4.75




esz6

9/13/2006 12:15 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 73 Market Sell Open 1329 ESZ6 $625.00
9/13/2006 19:40 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 74 Market Buy Close 1328 1/2 1/2
9/15/2006 8:55 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 75 Market Sell Open 1334 3/4
9/15/2006 11:20 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 76 Market Buy Close 1331 1/2 3.25
9/26/2006 10:10 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 77 Market Sell Open 1341 1/2
9/27/2006 3:05 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 78 Market Buy Close 1345 3/4 -4.25
10/22/2006 18:30 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 79 Market Sell Open 1385 3/4
10/22/2006 19:30 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 80 Market Buy Close 1376 3/4 9
11/7/2006 10:20 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 81 Market Sell Open 1391 1/4
11/7/2006 14:30 [SIM]ESZ6 Filled 82 Market Buy Close 1387 1/4 4



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
 


James Simons


Look him up

Over 100% every year with different class shares

EDIT: you are quoting %'s after fees associated mostly upwards of 50%

[edit on 2-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]


I've heard of him and think he is fascinating so I read up on him again on wikipedia:


In a statement released to shareholders, the fund announced it had sustained losses of up to 7% in the wake of the 2007 Subprime mortgage financial crisis but managed to end the month of August with a positive performance of +0.7%


Also 2008 was a "less than stellar year" for Renaissance Technologies.

This just demonstrates that it isn't sure proof.


The bad news to anyone reading is that the fund is pretty much limited to only former and current Renaissance employees. Simons other funds, which are open to other investors, were both down in '08. In terms of recent performance, we saw that their Institutional Equities Fund was -4.61% for February and -8.84% for 2009 at that time, as mentioned in our January & February hedge fund performance post. www.marketfolly.com...&D

www.marketfolly.com...


Though like I've said, I am very interested in automated trading. Though...also like I have said. I am unwilling to buy software/hardware/programmers because this is just a hobby. I also abhorred C++ in college. Bleh



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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blah - those articles are quoting "certain funds" only..

i have seen the income statements but you will never see the trades hahaa

he said he took over 100 PhD's to make this system..

wow is all i gotta say..

__________________________

Yes, C++ and programming make my . spin.. good thing I get 2x prescript. of vyvanse lol.. i am lost without it

[edit on 2-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Please, dont eat the hat, as I have eaten one before and it hurts lol

Just never question me again on this message board or have that "outright" tone with me.. that will do.. I like your inputs.. you just think you are a little above the game for my tastes IMO



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
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Yes, C++ and programming make my . spin.. good thing I get 2x prescript. of vyvanse lol.. i am lost without it

[edit on 2-7-2009 by GreenBicMan]


Do you use Fortran? Did you learn it on your own or something?



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by Rockpuck
 


Please, dont eat the hat, as I have eaten one before and it hurts lol

Just never question me again on this message board or have that "outright" tone with me.. that will do.. I like your inputs.. you just think you are a little above the game for my tastes IMO




I question everything you say because, aside from being pompous in your manor, your insolence is only magnificently magnified by the fact that you look down on everyone else here. Those who do trade. With real money. Who know real economics.

My input, before I put you back on ignore, is that your a fake. All the way back when you first started on the thread, I said there's just something not right about you..

Perhaps I think I'm above the game, but unlike you, who trades from his fathers house with fake money I have earned the right over you. I hold your views and lies with disdain, I have nothing more to say to the likes of you.

PS. Your post with "proof" proved nothing.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 07:52 AM
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And on the job front,

Economy Sheds 467,000 Jobs; Unemployment Rate at 9.5%


Employers cut 467,000 jobs in June, far more than expected, while the unemployment rate rose to 9.5 percent, the government said on Thursday in a report that showed a labor market continuing to struggle with a deep recession.

The June job losses were more than 100,000 greater than the 363,000 consensus of Wall Street economists polled by Reuters and broke a four-month trend of moderation in job losses.


www.cnbc.com...

Far more than expected, humm.

I guess not even this numbers can be sugar coated, but then again the government and analyst have been telling that is going to get worst by the end of the year when it comes to job loses, but that doesn't meant that the economy is doing bad or recuperating.
It can be signs of bottoming out.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Bill Gross from Pimco: Greed will come again after deleveraging and a generation.

www.cnbc.com...

Basically he says that the shock and deleveraging will keep this generation of consumers more in the fear camp than consuming/greed camp for a very long time.

This did happen after the Great Depression, but come on, this recession has not hit home the consumer like it did to the Great Depression...and many people lost their life savings not because of credit card debt but because banks failed. I think the consumer may have fundamentally changed marginally, but they haven't been hit . on to really shock them for life IMO. Malls are still full in South Florida, they are just buying less. But perhaps South Florida/Palm Beach is not representative of the overall country



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