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Originally posted by RolandBrichter
Yes, equities are a farce...pure manipulation by program traders...
Watch this...and I openly challenge anyone to show how and where he is wrong in his analysis ...
[edit on 1-7-2009 by RolandBrichter]
They show that stocks are not only overpriced, but that they are the most overpriced they have been in at least the last 75+ years! The chart above on your left shows S&P 500 earnings, adjusted for inflation. Down more than 90%! And because stocks have not fully adjusted for the plunge in earnings, PE ratios for the S&P 500 are higher than any time in at least the last 75 years. The S&P PE ratio never rose much above 20 times from 1935 until the 1990s. From a historical perspective, stocks became more and more expensive during the 1990s as monetary inflation was pushed into financial assets rather than into consumer goods and services. The stock market crash of 2000 took the PE ratio down a lot, but not anywhere near the levels that are seen at true bear market bottoms in range of 7 to 10 times like we had in the 1930s, 1970s, and 1980-82 timeframes. Now PE ratios are absolutely ridiculous! The S&P 500 is currently at around 120 and far above anything we have ever seen before! All of this suggests that the equity markets are not only overpriced-they are ridiculously overpriced!
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by RolandBrichter
Taking into account the price to earnings ratio we can only assume at some point (probably after a quarterly reading of profits) the entire system will go bust (again).
Next Monday we start the 2nd Quarter Earnings for the S&P (starting with Alcoa I believe) .. Either the 2nd quarter was another bomb and the entire system collapses, or it was "better than expected" and we could see the rally continue..
Someone else once said that they can lie about unemployment, inflation, deflation, gdp, everything... except earnings (unless your a bank).
then again, after 1st quarter results were "worse than expected" the market still took off.. so who knows. Rational markets will tank with bad earnings, rally with good.
Also, the reason why these earnings are so important in this depression (its a depression now, being the single longest recession .. ) is that if S&P over all posts negative earnings... it will be the longest stretch ever for negative earnings on the S&P, which could lead to a return of the bear market.
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RolandBrichter
yes, but thats what makes our programs profitable. let humans worry and let emotion influence them when "they" know better..
it is my theory, take 100% of emotion out of trading, and you would be a rich man... not a bad side of the fence to be on
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
I do understand, I program them lol
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
I am sure, you - along with myself and others - have done this at one point.. anyways point being that keeping the monitor off and letting the CPU do all your thinking is the correct way IMO to make $$ over time historically and not just in sections
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor
yes, tell me about it, more expensive than most my habits hahahahha
and historically, it is quite profitable.. its all about math IMO.. i know I keep saying this.. but i dont think there is another way around it
I would have outgained the SP500 by more than 500 points since 2006 using my ES strategies.. so I would say its "not bad"