The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


Mutual Funds are not even close to invested yet.

I draw this opinion from people I trust and account trends that I have personally seen as well as many consumers "objectives" regarding account transactions/activity

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor

 

Mutual Funds are not even close to invested yet.

I draw this opinion from people I trust and account trends that I have personally seen as well as many consumers "objectives" regarding account transactions/activity

Just because there is a rally doesn't mean mutual funds that invest for the long term will begin investing. The funds that are momentum funds and hedge funds that don't hold for the long term are probably mostly in the markets. Now it will be more retail guys that will come in so the fund can sell their shares to them so they can begin shorting.

reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


I try to follow ZeroHedge and The International Forecaster and I think we're all being manipulated,

International forecaster

Zero Hedge

(I understand maybe 10% of Zero Hedge,,,)

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

I am starting to think that sometimes these movements (downward and upward) aren't real. Maybe the volumes and movements are faked with computers? Perhaps when it suits governments politically and socially, markets go up and down?

Anyone else get this eery feeling sometime

Aah, these movements are real.

www.electropsychology.com...
www.electropsychology.com...

They are just not familiar to those who don't know what's happening in Bernanke's head when he thinks macro economy.




[edit on 5/9/2009 by stander]

Hey guys - GREAT NEWS - whats with all this talk of trouble int he REAL ESTATE SECTOR HOGWASH ITS UP BY 60%

www.marketwatch.com...

Even the the Dow Jones New York index is up 57% - all the industry fears of a further falls, and the despite the actual collapse which is happening - none of this matters - who cares becuase the index is waaaaaay up.



I mean the main reason behind needing more capital injections is soooo not relevant ------

www.reuters.com...

[edit on 9-5-2009 by audas]

Interesting chart at Zero Hedge: The Annihilation of the Dollars Purchasing Power.

Here is an excerpt from one of the replies:

We're in the end game now, my friends. In 1950, the average US/Canadian worker was orders of magnitude more productive than their foreign counterparts. Today - um, not so much. While I would never discount the ingenuity of the US/Cdn workforce (iPods, iPhones, Blackberries? My mother wouldn't have believed these possible; my grandmother would have probably thought they were work of the Devil.), we have to realize there are also plenty of smart people in Europe, Russia, and especially China. I sincerely believe that the dystopias of writers like William Gibson ("Neuromancer" and others), Neal Stephenson ("Snow Crash"), Bruce Sterling, and more point the way to our future - a deeply bifurcated society, where those with knowledge and creativity will live fabulous lives, while those with high school educations (where, in the US and Canada, "high" refers more to the students' mental state than the quality of education) will live lives of bare subsistence, ameliorated by 600 TV channels, the Internet, easily accessible drugs, and cheap porn.

Unfortunately, the current financial situation doesn't effect this prediction one friggin' bit. If you look at the socioeconomic trends of the past 35 years, this is where we're heading. I've been saying it since before the financial meltdown. If things don't change, then that's the future (but hey, the DJIA will be at 36,000).



[edit on 9-5-2009 by theWCH]

reply to post by audas


As everything even "bad news" is a way to make money, in a Market that as we have seen will make money out of the back luck of their own mothers and family members.

More news,

Elected Officials Selling out America: Vernon Ehlers

How our own elected for the people polticians are selling our nation for personal agendas and those that they cater too.

The following article is the third installment in an expository series which outlines important issues facing the U.S. economy and reveals your elected officials voting records. Please write to your elected officials and demand that they represent their constituents, instead of succumbing to the whims of big business.

www.economyincrisis.org...

China Armed for Cyber Warfare Against U.S.

China incresed dangers to the US security, stability and supremacy has been ignored by our own governemnt.

The United States is under constant attack from hackers based in China. It has to be assumed that the government there is behind these intrusions because they exact almost complete control over bandwidth usage in the entire country. Beijing certainly knows about each of the attacks which originated under their supervision.

www.economyincrisis.org...

America’s Waning Potential

We have seen signs that the collapse of our $14 trillion economy is slowing, but that does not mean we will correct ourselves to our former state. The long-run outlook does not look good for the United States.

Economist Robert Gordon told a conference of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco in November that real GDP growth in the U.S. today is at its slowest point since 1875. That means our economy is growing a slower pace today that it was during the Great Depression, World War I, the 1980s recession, and the recessions which were prevalent at the turn of the 20th century.

Our economy has gotten so bad it is actually growing as slowly as it was when we were reconstructing from the Civil War.

www.economyincrisis.org...

S&P 500 -5.30 919.40 5/10 10:34pm
Fair Value 926.66 5/8 8:58pm
Difference* -7.26

NASDAQ -13.00 1376.50 5/10 10:06pm
Fair Value 1392.81 5/8 8:58pm
Difference* -16.31

Dow Jones -49.00 8467.00 5/10 10:07pm
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Shanghai Composite 2,654.45 10:37PM ET Up 28.81 (1.10%)
Hang Seng 17,606.99 10:38PM ET Up 217.12 (1.25%)
Nikkei 225 9,371.88 10:30PM ET Down 60.95 (0.65%)
Straits Times 2,219.47 10:54PM ET Down 18.74 (0.84%)
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GCK09.CMX Gold May 09 914.40 May 8 Down 0.60 (0.07%)

Oh my...

Zero Hedge: Commercial Real Estate Deterioration Accelerates

RealPoint also provides a comprehensive April CMBS delinquency report. A must read for both our readers and Merrill Lynch REIT analysts. Main charts extracted below. Most notable is the explosion in 90+ day delinquencies for March relative to April. In fact the deterioration is accelerating across all metrics: no second derivative green shoots anywhere in sight in CRE land.

More at link, including some charts and reading material.

This is 100% in line with what I've observed in the real world. The question: is the mass-vacancy of strip malls and office buildings already "priced into" the market?

In case anybody's math skills are rusty, here is an article about "second derivatives." Anybody wanting to brush up on, or learn, Calculus should track down a book by the title of "Quick Calculus: A Self-Teaching Guide." If you put the work into it, you can learn a couple of semesters worth of material in about a week or two.


[edit on 10-5-2009 by theWCH]

reply to post by theWCH
Hmmm...

REIT Bond Market Dis-Location...say it ain't so!!!

Where's GBM when ya need him?
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S&P 500 -8.10 916.60 5/10 11:59pm
Fair Value 926.66 5/8 8:58pm
Difference* -10.06

NASDAQ -10.50 1379.00 5/10 11:30pm
Fair Value 1392.81 5/8 8:58pm
Difference* -13.81

Dow Jones -56.00 8460.00 5/10 11:13pm

Here's another view on this "Fantasy":
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 5/11/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by Hx3_1963


I can't wait for GBM to give us our daily dose of hope-mongering!

Here's a long blog-entry from Pension Pulse (linked at Naked Capitalism): The "W" Recovery?

I only skimmed it (it's very long, and my love of blogs stems largely from the fact that they break the internet into bite-sized chunks, and I'm ADHD), but it seems to be in line with my current thinking. Recent data makes me think that this recession will officially "end" earlier than a lot of people think; but there are still several shoes yet to drop, including the crash of commercial real estate. Anyway, the final two paragraphs read:

I realize this is a long comment but I hope I have given you lots of food for thought. While some think there is too much excess capacity out there due to weak global demand cementing deflation, others worry that the world is awash with liquidity that will re-ignite another devastating inflationary episode and a more serious global downturn.

The key in all of this is how central banks will remove excess liquidity without sending the global economy back into a severe recession. If they do not have a coordinated game plan for doing this, I believe that the 'twin recessions' outcome is the most likely scenario.

I'm also thinking that it's entirely possible that most of the "gloom and doom" predictions come true, but few notice because the MSM and the political establishment do such a good job of telling us that things are just fine (both sides of the congressional aisle have a lot to lose if it's perceived that things are collapsing). It would be a lot like the "W" shaped recovery of the Great Depression, and the fact that most people still think that FDR "fixed" the economy, even though it was the Semiconductor Revolution that saved things, in the years following WWII. FWIW, I've been calling an Obama re-election since September, before he was even officially elected.

You still got that chart, Hx? We've been here before, indeed.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by theWCH]

reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


Im not understanding what you are saying.

I am saying when I see people in Money Markets and Cash in past "aggressive" accounts, I know the tides have not yet begun to turn.

reply to post by theWCH
Star 4 U!

You bet I do


Look close...remarkably similar...no?
Notice the Dbl top even before the "Fall"...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9652f8cb24a6.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4095f5ecbe02.png[/atsimg]

It's not "exactly the same", but, similarity's abound...you seem to have a "grip" on it...

This time...much worse...

Sure now we have "Back-Stops" but...they didn't have 30-40 leverage then either

[edit on 5/11/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by theWCH


Ahh.. no hope mongering, just calling it like i see it..

I dont really have anything new, I have been working literally about 16 hours a day on my automated trading program... If I knew how to program in C++ it might take me 1 hour lol..

reply to post by Hx3_1963


You are looking at the wrong chart my friend.

Go to DAILY - 1972-1975 and look at the Moving Averages and Price Movement. You will see its twin brother.

reply to post by GreenBicMan
Hey! Can that program figure out how to trade spam or beans for "stocks"??? :

reply to post by theWCH


I like a weak dollar.

What are we exporting anyways?

IMO - we need to get back to marketing to overseas $$$ again, too many international hot spots that people are travelling to where they could be spending those euro's and pounds in Orlando, Las Vegas, New York etc..

reply to post by GreenBicMan


I don't necessarily view hope-mongering as a bad thing! Hope you didn't take offense.

I'm working on an math-education program, despite my limited programming skills. I feel your pain.

I'm using Python for the "rough draft."

[edit on 11-5-2009 by theWCH]

reply to post by Hx3_1963


No, but it can gain you in excess of 700 dollars in one day trading one contract

Then it can lose you 1000 the next. (But I have been working most of that out)

So I got that going for me.

reply to post by theWCH


Im not sure what Math-ed is?

Jesus, if I had to program anything more than 10 lines of simple instruction I prob. would have just paid someone to do it for me in the beginning..

Ive prob put like 50 hours into, and figured out like 1/10th of what I need to know..

Its like that family guy where Stewie forgets the number, so he starts dialing--

000-000-0001

000-000-0002

000-000-0003..

Good thing I get a more than moderate prescription of vyvanse every month lol