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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 04:24 AM

This was the day the world came together to fight back against global recession," said Gordon Brown, the host of the summit

As if recession were an alien force attacking from space...

- Watch out that Cube, it's loaded with TA!!!

- Arrghhh, my EYES, my EYES!!!!! I'm blind!

- It's a molecular acid proximity derivative torpedo!

- Bail out! Bail out!

More troops are needed certainly, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus, but above all the Americans want to see their allies stumping up a good deal more money and more training teams to build Afghanistan's own security forces

Afghanistan is suffering the most...

President Obama takes ownership of the fight against Al Qaeda and its Taliban allies, aides say he is determined to turn around the war in Afghanistan with a regional approach

But they are giving him very few new troops on the ground, underlining the fundamental strains in the alliance.

The anti-NATO protesters marched from a so-called “peace camp” set up on the outskirts of Strasbourg, where security is already tight. As many as 30,000 police officers are on duty in the city

Like the families we serve, we must cut the things we don't need to invest in those we do.

...Said Obama.

House Democrats agreed to extend the middle class tax cut that was included in the recently-passed economic stimulus plan, but failed to specify how the cut would be paid for after 2010.

The matter is guaranteed to be a major partisan sticking point when the two chambers meet to hammer out a final version of next year's spending plan

- We need more hammers. HAMMERS!!! Anyone???

The markets are global, but regulation is still the sovereign responsibility of governments.

bring the world with us to make sure there's expanding markets for U.S. exports

- This.... this... KILLED ME...

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 04:34 AM
S&P 500 +0.80 836.30 4/3 5:42am
Fair Value 830.66 4/2 9:01pm
Difference* +5.64

NASDAQ +6.25 1307.75 4/3 5:20am
Fair Value 1293.58 4/2 9:01pm
Difference* +14.17

Dow Jones -4.00 7954.00 4/3 5:41am
Russia 750.85 16.92 2.31% 13:25
London 4123.93 -1.04 -0.03% 10:12
Paris 2997.01 4.95 0.17% 11:11
Frankfurt 4423.82 41.90 0.96% 11:12
Turkey 27106.38 335.21 1.25% 12:26
Hungary 12037.71 276.05 2.35% 11:12
Austria 1812.17 19.63 1.09% 11:11
Poland 26218.71 631.39 2.47% 11:11
Czech 814.00 11.10 1.38% 11:01
Sweden 726.86 13.06 1.83% 11:21
Finland 4977.60 67.74 1.38% 12:21
Norway 218.01 2.44 1.13% 11:07
Greece 1783.25 30.44 1.74% 12:06
Italy 13526.00 -13.00 -0.10% 11:02
Luxembourg 941.13 -5.72 -0.60% 11:15
Netherlands 233.80 1.75 0.75% 11:07
Iceland 216.32 4.27 2.02% 04/02
Denmark 243.58 -2.03 -0.82% 11:22
Switzerland 5120.03 -58.50 -1.13% 11:07
Spain 880.06 4.25 0.48% 11:05
Portugal 2163.39 66.22 3.16% 04/02
Ireland 2376.76 12.58 0.53% 10:07
Israel 765.77 38.75 5.33% 04/02
Egypt 413.75 13.10 3.27% 04/02
S. Africa 19482.29 36.60 0.19% 11:07
Morocco 21844.39 114.10 0.53% 04/02
Jordan 2740.40 34.17 1.26% 04/02
UAE Dubai 1583.19 19.00 1.22% 04/02
New Zealand 2614.48 28.68 1.11% 17:31
Australia 3674.00 51.80 1.43% 16:47
Nikkei 225 8749.84 30.06 0.34% 16:00
TOPIX 831.36 4.67 0.56% 15:00
TSE 2nd Sec 1844.76 -2.25 -0.12% 15:00
JASDAQ 41.01 -0.07 -0.17% 15:00
Korea 1283.75 6.78 0.53% 18:04
Taiwan 5529.63 55.85 1.02% 13:46
Taiwan OTC 83.55 0.71 0.86% 13:46
Shanghai 2419.78 -5.51 -0.23% 15:15
Shanghai A 2539.90 -5.77 -0.23% 15:15
Shanghai B 159.36 -0.67 -0.42% 15:15
Shenzhen A 843.31 -4.31 -0.51% 15:00
Shenzhen B 356.08 -0.78 -0.22% 15:00
SHSZ 300 2570.50 -5.90 -0.23% 15:01
Shenzhen comp 9244.66 -56.27 -0.60% 15:00
Hong Kong 14545.69 23.72 0.16% 16:01
HK CN Ent 8574.73 2.53 0.03% 16:01
HK Aff Crp 3195.37 -2.42 -0.08% 16:01
Singapore 1821.27 17.93 0.99% 16:59
SGX China 56.23 0.19 0.34% 04/03
Vietnam 310.28 12.98 4.37% 11:01
Thailand 444.97 2.01 0.45% 16:02
Philippines 2028.59 45.71 2.31% 12:11
Malaysia 907.01 1.94 0.21% 17:22
Indonesia 1500.36 0.63 0.04% 16:00
India 10348.83 446.84 4.51% 04/02
Pakistan 5330.56 149.01 2.88% 11:00

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 05:48 AM
Higher and higher; up. up, up . . .

. . . the way The Great Dow and his assistant Jones do it.

There is no economy trouble. If there was, the shares would be losing value. But that's not what we see. The bad economy indicator numbers is a nasty case of collective hallucination. But it doesn't affect the traders who see things as they really are. Wonderful future for the local and the global economy is forming and we must buy and buy and buy . . .

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 09:35 AM
10:30 am, EST:

Dow 7,940.01 -38.07 -0.48%
Nasdaq 1,601.09 -1.54 -0.10%
S&P 500 831.23 -3.15 -0.38%
30-yr Bond 3.6060% +0.0290
NYSE Volume 1,319,008,620
Nasdaq Volume 470,931,410

Market Ticker: John Dugan

Market Ticker: Eric Holder

Market Ticker: Unemployment Friday

The rate of increase in unemployment rate (U-6) hasn't slowed (to a statistically significant degree) when you make seasonal adjustments.

[edit on 3-4-2009 by theWCH]

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 11:38 AM
12:36 pm EST:

Dow 7,982.15 +4.07 (0.05%)
S&P 500 836.56 +2.18 (0.26%)
Nasdaq 1,612.95 +10.32 (0.64%)
10y bond 2.87% +0.07 (2.50%)

Labor Department Official Analyzes Unemployment Numbers

Madam chair and members of the committee: Thank you for the opportunity to discuss the employment and unemployment data we released this morning.

Labor market conditions continued to deteriorate in March. Total nonfarm payroll employment decreased by 663,000, and the unemployment rate increased from 8.1 to 8.5 percent. Since the beginning of the recession in December 2007, job losses have totaled 5.1 million, 3.3 million of which occurred in just the past 5 months. These declines have been widespread across industry sectors, but particularly sharp in manufacturing, construction, and temporary help services. Together, these industries have accounted for nearly two-thirds of the job loss during the recession.

In March, manufacturing employment fell by 161,000, with job losses spread throughout the sector. Since the start of the recession, manufacturing has shed 1.5 million jobs, with about 60 percent of the loss occurring in the past 5 months. In March, the average workweek in manufacturing decreased by two-tenths of an hour.

Construction employment declined by 126,000 over the month. Since the beginning of the recession, employment has dropped by about 1.1 million, with more than half of that total occurring in the past 5 months.

More at link (I stopped reading when I realized it was just "hey, we're scroomed!" in poli-speak).

G20: Will China Make This The G1?

It is possible to overstate the importance of seating plans, but it is no accident that Hu Jintao was placed to the right of Gordon Brown at last night's Downing Street dinner: China may well hold the swing vote in today's negotiations at the G20.

Almost alone among the big economies, China is still emphatically in the ascendancy. It might have all the same anxieties about the collapse of world trade as the others, but it can rightly claim the economic high ground in a way that France and Germany can only dream of.

More importantly, it holds the key to many of the competing aspirations of other leaders. President Sarkozy has already identified the Middle Kingdom as the biggest obstacle to a crackdown on tax havens and international financial regulation – fearing Hu is overly protective of the offshore financial role played by Hong Kong and Macau. If President Obama is to push ahead with fiscal stimulus he needs to keep persuading China to lend it money by buying US Treasury bills. And if Gordon Brown is to achieve his stated goal of rebalancing world trade, he needs to encourage China to become a nation of importers as well as a nation of exporters.

All this comes as China finally shakes off its timidity on the world stage. Since the Olympics, Beijing has shown new confidence in international affairs – even talking about replacing the US dollar with a new global reserve currency. Yesterday's bilateral meeting between President Obama and President Hu was privately dubbed the G2 – in recognition of its primacy over the G20. Today it may feel like the G1.

Also: The Mark-to-Market Myth

[edit on 3-4-2009 by theWCH]

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:19 PM
We're just a hair below 20% unemployment according to the Shadow Government Statistics data.

20% is my psychological breaking point, if anybody was wondering.

Dow 7,977.69 -0.39 (0.00%)
S&P 500 837.91 +3.53 (0.42%)
Nasdaq 1,613.75 +11.12 (0.69%)
10y bond 2.89% +0.09 (3.21%)

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:20 PM
It's Our Money and We Want It Now!

‘Fighting Back’

“For a while there, managers forgot that it was our money,” said Brad Alford, head of Alpha Capital Management LLC in Atlanta, which selects hedge funds for clients. “Now investors are fighting back.”

Funds may have received redemption requests in the first quarter for as much as 13 percent of industry assets, according to estimates by Huw van Steenis, a financial-services analyst at Morgan Stanley in London. Withdrawals may reach 20 percent for the year.

The defections follow a year in which managers lost an average of 19 percent, according to data compiled by Hedge Fund Research Inc., the most since the Chicago-based firm started tracking the industry in 1990. Even though that was half the 38 percent decline of the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index, clients count on hedge funds to make money whether markets rise or fall.

Anger Over Redemptions

At the same time, some managers limited investors’ ability to take money out. More than 18 percent of all hedge-fund assets, managed by 5 percent of firms, were subject to some sort of withdrawal restriction last year, according to Peter Douglas, principal of Singapore-based consultant GFIA Pte.

Some managers are responding.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:21 PM
reply to post by theWCH

WOW . you look at the chart and the line is not slowly approaching 20% , its almost straight up

TY for responding to my Q

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:33 PM
Fed Struggling to Win Over Investors Wary of `Sharks' in TALF Aid Program
Dow Jones Industrial Average 8,007.63 2:30pm ET 29.55 (0.37%)
S&P 500 INDEX,RTH 840.67 2:30pm ET 6.29 (0.75%)
NASDAQ Composite 1,617.86 2:31pm ET 15.23 (0.95%)
Gold $891.40
Oil $52.42
Gas $1.485
DXY 84.37
TNX 29.07
Russia 746.03 12.10 1.65% 04/03
London 4029.67 -95.30 -2.31% 16:35
Paris 2958.74 -33.32 -1.11% 18:13
Frankfurt 4384.99 3.07 0.07% 19:42
Turkey 26631.06 -140.11 -0.52% 17:06
Hungary 12056.11 294.45 2.50% 16:36
Austria 1824.54 32.00 1.78% 17:35
Poland 26152.04 564.72 2.21% 16:40
Czech 823.70 20.80 2.59% 17:40
Sweden 711.16 -2.64 -0.37% 17:44
Finland 4883.60 -26.25 -0.54% 18:31
Norway 209.01 -6.56 -3.04% 17:25
Greece 1754.62 1.81 0.10% 17:19
Italy 13548.00 9.00 0.07% 17:51
Luxembourg 934.95 -11.90 -1.26% 17:40
Netherlands 230.76 -1.29 -0.56% 18:08
Iceland 214.96 -1.36 -0.63% 16:40
Denmark 238.66 -6.95 -2.83% 17:21
Switzerland 5042.99 -135.54 -2.62% 17:31
Spain 874.02 -1.79 -0.20% 17:36
Portugal 2153.39 -10.00 -0.46% 17:08
Ireland 2330.36 -33.82 -1.43% 17:10
Israel 765.77 38.75 5.33% 04/02
Egypt 413.75 13.10 3.27% 04/02
S. Africa 19242.47 -203.22 -1.04% 17:00
Morocco 21930.71 86.32 0.40% 04/03
Jordan 2740.40 34.17 1.26% 04/02
UAE Dubai 1583.19 19.00 1.22% 04/02

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:43 PM
If anybody wants more information on the SGS unemployment data, check out this explanation.

Here is an excerpt:

Up until the Clinton administration, a discouraged worker was one who was willing, able and ready to work but had given up looking because there were no jobs to be had. The Clinton administration dismissed to the non-reporting netherworld about five million discouraged workers who had been so categorized for more than a year. As of July 2004, the less-than-a-year discouraged workers total 504,000. Adding in the netherworld takes the unemployment rate up to about 12.5%.

The Clinton administration also reduced monthly household sampling from 60,000 to about 50,000, eliminating significant surveying in the inner cities. Despite claims of corrective statistical adjustments, reported unemployment among people of color declined sharply, and the piggybacked poverty survey showed a remarkable reversal in decades of worsening poverty trends.

Somehow, the Clinton administration successfully set into motion reestablishing the full 60,000 survey for the benefit of the current Bush administration's monthly household survey.

While the preceding concentrates on the numbers that tend to move the markets, the household survey also measures employment. The payroll survey also surveys average hourly and weekly earnings and average workweek.

In other words: Bill Clinton's crew dropped the most severely unemployed people from the data. Knowing that this is how it played out, it's easy to see how nothing since the 1930's can compare to our current level of unemployment.

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:45 PM
reply to post by theWCH

very interesting
and seriously disturbing.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:53 PM
reply to post by spinkyboo

I'm not sure what bothers me more: the fact that the real unemployment rate is so high, or the fact that our own government manipulates the statistics to lie to it's own citizens.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 01:55 PM
reply to post by theWCH

Remember, you can prove anything with statistics. Great find.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:19 PM
About time someone asked some tough questions!!!

Senate OKs measure calling on Fed to name firms

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In an unusual political challenge to the Federal Reserve, the Senate on Thursday called on the central bank to disclose the names of institutions that receive emergency loans and pushed for a study to determine the "appropriate" number of regional fed banks.

The Senate attached the measure as an amendment to a budget blueprint for fiscal 2010 on a vote of 59 to 39.

The budget resolution is non-binding and would not have the force of law. But by seeking to reverse a key aspect of the Fed's lender-of-last resort function -- letting borrowers at its discount window remain anonymous -- the vote highlights an erosion of support for the Fed in the Senate.

"Fifty-nine senators believe the discount window should be made public, which is a rejection of a fundamental way the Fed operates -- it shows the Fed has no support in the Senate for one of its core principles," said a Senate aide who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The U.S. central bank acts as a lender of last resort to banks and has extended those privileges to other financial institutions since the financial crisis deepened. The Fed says it does not name recipients of loans because public knowledge that an institution cannot obtain funds in the open market could provoke a run on that firm.

A Fed spokesperson said on Thursday the central bank has to be mindful of the stability of financial markets.

"We have already begun disclosing more information about collateral pledged at Federal Reserve liquidity facilities and the review is continuing across a variety of possible types of additional information," the spokesperson said.
More at Link...

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:21 PM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

So I understand this correctly, the banks who receive aid will get "report cards" the the PTB will decide what to do with them or what actions to take? If these reports are made public which it appears as though they will this will cause trouble, yes?

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:28 PM

Originally posted by theWCH
reply to post by spinkyboo

I'm not sure what bothers me more: the fact that the real unemployment rate is so high, or the fact that our own government manipulates the statistics to lie to it's own citizens.

Exactly - both are serious problems.

To never get the straight facts is so destructive in the big picture.
Half the people in this country won't prepare - because they don't know the serious scope of things.
It's criminal to continue leading people
around by the nose by lies - or more accurately
by ommision of fact.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by elston
That's the Fed's take on it...

If they disclose who took what/how much it would erode confidence in those companys and cause "runs" on banks or stock "pull outs" in weak companys...

Which may be true and happen, but, at least it would be on a realistic view, as opposed to what we have now...fantasy...

...As stated before by many...if it's that bad, they need to fail and go the way of the Dodo Bird...others will take their place eventually...

Cocoa 2769 86
Coffee 118.40 1.60
Cotton 47.60 1.45
Lumber 187.40 6.70
Orange Juice 76 0.60
Sugar 12.55 -0.51

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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:39 PM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

You're assuming that the reports they get will be accurate. Numbers can also be manipulated to make certain banks look bad to help the big get bigger through acquisitions. It seems as though there needs to be a massive third party audit of all these financial institutions. I posted earlier about how this is crazy. 60 billion here, etc. etc. Did these banks need 60billion or $58,745,654,765.65? The lack of details give me little confidence in these institutions. Oh and where did it go. To quote the recent episode of the famous South Park.


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posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:47 PM
KD wans to know: "Where's my Pitchfork?"

TF is doing a "Government: Felon or Cop?" poll.

posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 02:49 PM
Oh...always remember and never forget...

Today is FDIC Friday!!!
(Usually after 5pm est)

Failed Bank List

National Credit Union Administration

Edit: Rumors of up to 34 Banks going down in next 4-6 Wks...

DXY 84.18 kinda falling...

[edit on 4/3/2009 by Hx3_1963]

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