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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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About the treasuries... Why the FED didn't buy them all? Does that mean that the treasuries % are going up making all new US debt more expensive?

Thanks for the follow up.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Vitchilo]

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Vitchilo]




posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Sounds very right but didn't Geithner with Barney frank help is trying to pass legislation to extended the TARP money to included all businesses?. that means that they can borrow straight from the government.

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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
About the treasuries... Why the FED didn't buy them all? Does that mean that the treasuries % are going up making all new US debt more expensive?

Thanks for the follow up.


It looks like they chose to buy back the T's that were giving the highest yield today.

The FED was allocated $300 Billion in mid March to buy back T's with the goal being to open up liquidity in credit markets.

will it work? At this point, I don't think anything is working, but the folly of the idea can best be summed up this way:

Buying our own treasuries: Paying other people interest to loan ourselves money we don't have.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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At the moment yes thats is right. But one thing we must consider is that they are trying to do things in a "new" way. This so as not to make the same mistakes we had made back during the last time we got ourselves in this position. With the banks holding the world hostage till they got what they wanted.
Back in the 30's era and a little before hand the common thought was to try and boost production. The only problem with that plan back then was they focused soley on steel and a few crops that had already failed to begin with. The auto industry was trying much like now but the mistakes back then are repeating themselves now. The government is trying hard to create jobs; but they are only jobs to work for the government.
If we are ever going to see the day of light again we have got to go across the board on the production side of things. While at the same time making sure we have buyers beforehand so that we don't end up sitting on huge stock piles of things we can't sell to anyone.
Now a plan like that isn't going to fly in the face of things as they stand right now they can't allow it to. If they did they would be throwing alot of the same people's they have been bailing out under the bus. Thus having to admit that either they have made a "terrible" mistake or where actually blackmailed with absolute failure of the whole system.Either way they are in a pickle they can't admit they where wrong and blew trillions of the people monies and they can't admit that the banks scroomed us all.
So until someone can get over themselves and propose an actual plan to get production up and running with buyers lined up; we are stuck where we are with governments around the world trying desperately to hold things up praying it will blow over.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Just so sad...

The Trickle Down Effect...

...should of been the trickle up effect...I've said that from the start.

If they'd cut taxes some for business and gave the citizens a wad of cash to spend it might of worked, but, I just plain think we just have to much crap already...

We'd either saved it or paid off debt...which might of been good...at least we'd actually get something out of stuffing money in the banks...

Even if they gave us a wad of cash, where do we store all the extra stuff we can't even store now?

Self-Storage bubble next???


Guess that would help out the Construction sector...DOH

[edit on 4/1/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Storage bubble good one

I was thinking more along the lines of exporting more and importing alot less. Most of our foods are now coming from other countries. Here in California they now have to label where things come from and I can't get more then 3 feet down the meat/fish isle without seeing the names of at least 5 different countries. Now why is it that we have to import all of that? When our people who live here and produce the same stuff are being forced out of business.
We need to stop forcing our people out of business/work so as to make all nice with other countries. I am not saying don't import "anything". But for gods sake at least keep some of the business here so we have a base to operate off of, giving us a starting point to recover from.


off for an Hx recharge! haven't slept since yesterday at like 5am


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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Now we can't have rational thinking like that in the middle of a train wreck...

Bad Stacie...


Must...follow...NWO...

Like IBM...to India...

La-Z-Boy, Hershey's and Whirlpool To Mexico...




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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by xoxo stacie
reply to post by Hx3_1963
 


Storage bubble good one

I was thinking more along the lines of exporting more and importing alot less. Most of our foods are now coming from other countries. Here in California they now have to label where things come from and I can't get more then 3 feet down the meat/fish isle without seeing the names of at least 5 different countries. Now why is it that we have to import all of that? When our people who live here and produce the same stuff are being forced out of business.
We need to stop forcing our people out of business/work so as to make all nice with other countries. I am not saying don't import "anything". But for gods sake at least keep some of the business here so we have a base to operate off of, giving us a starting point to recover from.


Funny you mention that. I was at th supermarket the other day in the fresh seafood section. Nearly everything was from other contries. 5 different kinds of shrimp, all other countries. All scallops same, the only thing I found from the US was salmon. All other shellfish, other countries as well. Our core shrimping industry was wiped out by Katrina, maybe we (USA) could get some stimulus to those areas to bring that industry back. Thousands of jobs to stimulate the local enconomies. Nah, that would make sense.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Probley be a good thing, but haven't ya heard...

The Gulf of Mexico is becoming a toxic waste dump?

Algae blooms...phosphorus and nitrogen run offs...



Stimulate that clean-up and maybe shrimpys will come back...


DJ INDUSTR AVERAGE 7,739.94 2:01pm ET 131.02 (1.72%)

Come on bad news!!!! Going up!!!


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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Guess what I noticed that too, so the last time I went to the groceries store (no walmart) I asked in the meat section to tell where was the organic America meat.



They looked at me like I was crazy.


I am now buying my meat from organic growers recommended by the Organic consumers association, I know, I know is a littler bit expensive, but when you compare what you can get that is grown here in the US and not in some place you can not pronounce from oversea and south America is worth it.

Plus you Can get farm raised organic wild game, occurs certified.


Check it out if you can,

www.blackwing.com...

www.organicconsumers.org...



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Yep. We should do a stimulus package to create industry to clean up the gulf of mexico... but that would make too much sense... we need CARBON TAXES. I mean, if I listen to Greenpeace and the other brainwashed ecologists, that's all they talk about. Global Warming... doesn't matter that there's hundreds of REAL problems ALREADY killing the planet... GMOs, DU, waste dumping in oceans, biological and chemical warfare testing, animal hybrids, genetic manipulations on everything...GLOBAL WARMING IS MORE IMPORTANT! Al Gore told me so.


Those ecologists mean well but they are retards.

Up to 80% of Monsanto crops in Africa died Yeah... totally NO PROBLEM THERE

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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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URGENT -- G20 protesters have started a fire near the Bank of England in the City of London, Sky News reports.

Hundreds of protesters are gathered next to the Bank of England at the end of a day of violent protests by G20 demonstrators amid fears of further unrest.
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I thought it was a good idea...

If yer gonna "go green" clean up the oceans, grow forests and clean up other toxic stuff first...

Shucks most don't know it, but, the oceans and forests are the biggest carbon "sinks" on the planet...

Imagine that...



Edit: WOW didn't know that Ag story was that recent!!! not good for them...

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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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One of the reasons I Love Louisiana, I can make a call to a friend who raises cows, ask about the size of calfs, KNOW that there is no hormones in the animal, Then order the butchering, and cutting - pick it up after it's aged and cut & bring it home to wrap and freeze.

Twice a year I do this

Also know the chicken farms - get them direct from farm, no hormones, no water solutions to make them look better

And our seafood markets are doing just fine now - I travel over to the Westbank and get it fresh from the boats.

Lots of fresh produce from my own or other gardens, plus local farmer's markets. Nothing beats Pontchatoula Strawberries!

I feel sorry for folks who live in concrete cities far from the country



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Since moving out west we have slowly converted to the "Organic Lifestyle" .. Hell, the juice im drinking looks like mashed peas poured in a glass.. some organic combination of fruits, vegetables, sea weed, grasses lol, stuff I wouldn't normally have drank a year ago. Quality is much better. Especially the organic cleaning supplies, which I found surprising. And no chemicals, best part.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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KeirSimmons at Police HQ live on CCTV protesters start another fire outside Bank of England. #g20
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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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I live in Chicgo but still pay to have my family down south in LA and MS send me fresh stuff. Had a delivery of 5lbs of live crawfish yesterday.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Standard & Poor's Ratings Services lowered its corporate credit rating on
Hovnanian Enterprises to 'CCC' from 'B-'. We also lowered our ratings on
Hovnanian's debt. At the same time, we removed the ratings from CreditWatch
with negative implications, where they were placed on March 4, 2009. The
outlook is negative. These actions affect roughly $2.4 billion of rated debt
obligations. "The downgrade reflects the continued pressure on HOV's already
weak margins, which we believe will extend the trend of negative earnings
through 2009 and 2010 and further erode the company's already small equity
base and sustain its high leverage," said credit analyst George Skoufis.
"Additionally, while HOV currently maintains sufficient cash holdings to meet
its 2009 needs, weak consumer confidence and excess supply will continue to
weigh on demand and pricing, which we believe will make it more difficult for
HOV to generate positive cash flow from operations."

Briefing.com, Inc.

S&P: GLIMCHER REALTY TRUST RATINGS LOWERED; OUTLOOK REMAINS NEG

*DOW, ROHM AND HAAS LONG-TERM RATINGS MAY BE CUT TO JUNK BY S&P

Ticker: GM: Bankrupt, UNLESS...

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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Well here in GA you can find organic growers specially on vegetables and fruits and fish, been from an Island that all our fish was fresh catch I can not stomach the frozen stuff in the stores refrigerators.

But when it comes to meats is harder to trust anybody.

I don't trust the government anymore when it comes to what we eat and now with the big Monsanto experiments I see them as nothing more than monsters.


I am a meat eater even when I try no to eat red meat more , I have been able to stay on meatless diet for about a week and half, but Is very hard.


So now I am going to start getting more than just chicken and stay in the wild side.


I am glad to see that is more people like me concern with what is going on with the foods we consume, we are what we eat after all.



posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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posted on Apr, 1 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Hi Y'all!

Lots of good stuff here as always!

I am absolutely convinced we are "Scroomed" (screwed and doomed) because now they are "saying it" and thus it begins to become a reality:

edition.cnn.com...

Crisis May Lead To New World Order




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