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The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

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posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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reply to post by Tentickles
 


I like your abounding silliness as well.
Love the graphs -
Magic! That's exactly what we need about now.




posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Hey Guys

My last name was XTC_Savedmylife - and my name got booted off and one of my previous posts was deleted. I guess I typed some stuff that might have sounded more mean than I was trying to be, but I'm still semiserious in a way.

My post that was deleted said that :

"I thought some of you had delusional theories"

Well I mean I really do think that, but that was the reason the post was deleted.
But also contained in this post which should have of course been left by Moderator FredT was a response that I wanted to a post about the Volatility. It was about the .VIX and someone stated that since the stock market went up volatility would go up as well

Ok, this is simply not true.

I have some charts I would like you guys to see, its a few I took of YAHOO FINANCE and I made some points on them with MS PAINT..

In the meantime Im going to try to figure out how to upload photos to this thing..



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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OK I have uploaded about 12 JPEGS that I took at 5am this morning for about a half hour..

I thought today was our big rally by the following way I trade.

I think its Monday now, with a sideways today ala wednesday leading into a Thursday (Hopefully our monday) getting to 7500.

I was so serious I tried to get my boss to advance me 5200 this morning (100 a week for 1 year) he declined big time, although he is a CFP so maybe he cant do this.. not sure of the rules here...

So ok..

I only trade on technical analysis... but only my style.. i dont care about momentum.. 200 day mvg avg.. etc.. RCI.. just dont care.. you can say whatever you would like to about that...

Now, I mean now you guys can copy exactly how I do things and do this for yourself.. It might seem simple and any idiot can draw a line but everyone knows there is more into it than that if you have ever tried to daytrade..

So my gem to do this to is SKF (triple financial shorts) god I love the action in this thing, and I would say within the day in 1-3 minute increments I could make legitly an avg of 2-5 dollars a share shorting it 5x a day so 25 dollars shorting profit per day..

My problem is I have no capital of course.. I was in a golf school in orlando, got hurt, got my life health var. annuity license just to do something.. been studying for series 7 for one month cause obviously this is what I should have done from the beginning.

Now you might also be saying (ok hes not a pro, hes a moron) well I guess I would say the same thing, but for some reason I have a pretty good knack for this and I want to help you make money, of course I am going to have to prove myself, and I want to also state that I would feel god awful if someone lost money on one of my trades so let me put that disclaimer in there as well..



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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OK

Im obviously terrible at puting pictures on here but Im pretty sure you can see the full size of these in my MEDIA PROFILE..

If someone could help me out here otherwise?



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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You can make them smaller in MS paint.
Im interested in what you see in these graphs.

KKR Losses Show Failure to Close Gap Raising Defaults



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:38 AM
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Its all about trading in a pattern, been doing it for a long time, if questions U2u me..

There are like way too many to size down/im too lazy, but check my profile..

I will be posting more along the way..

But what I am really looking at is the breakouts that I believe are going to happen..



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Wanted to add :

If there is anyone that wants me to look at one for them using my methods I would be more than happy to.

Like I said, you always make your own decisions, you can just use this as a pro/con perhaps



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Reserve Banking

An informative ticker for today

Greenbicman, I am sure there are people who would love to have a thread that discusses trading STYLES, but ATS is probably not the right venue for that discussion.

If it works for you (even though you say you have no capital and since you are using yahoo charts, no trading account either) have at it, use it and maybe even find people on trading forums who would love to discuss style differences.

This thread is for tracking the market fluctuations and the news that affect those fluctuations



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 05:17 AM
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Signpost: Diversion Over


What led to the last couple of pages of mirth was a serious point raised by Hx: are there actually concrete reasons for the gains on the DOW above and beyond a dubious Citigroup memo? We have had one or two argue this is the beginning of a real recovery, and while I have been as guilty as any of totally poo-pooing the idea, those brave enough to go against the flow of conversation deserve some respect.

I hereby invite them to restate their case and back it up with data and analysis to suggest the fundamentals have changed over the last week.

Alternatively the skeptics among us might benefit from playing devil's advocate.


FTSE @ yesterday's close




DJIA @ yesterday's close



Source



Market Indices

Index Quote Change Change% Local
DJIA 7223.98 53.92 0.75% 03/13
NASDAQ 1431.50 5.40 0.38% 03/13
S&P 500 756.55 5.81 0.77% 03/13
Gold & Silver 122.22 1.78 1.48% 03/13
PreMetals 246.52 3.62 1.49% 03/13

London 3753.68 41.62 1.12% 03/13
Paris 2705.63 11.38 0.42% 03/13
Frankfurt 3953.60 -2.62 -0.07% 03/13
Turkey 23615.25 75.76 0.32% 03/13
Hungary 9852.83 391.54 4.14% 03/13
Austria 1491.70 24.44 1.67% 03/13
Poland 23176.70 12.76 0.06% 03/13
Czech 692.30 15.00 2.21% 03/13
Sweden 659.31 -8.34 -1.25% 03/13
Finland 4516.59 -54.09 -1.18% 03/13
Norway 189.81 1.07 0.56% 03/13
Greece 1557.77 3.71 0.24% 03/13
Italy 11368.00 -46.00 -0.40% 03/13
Luxembourg 865.28 16.46 1.94% 03/13
Netherlands 211.74 0.43 0.20% 03/13
Iceland 221.42 2.43 1.11% 03/13
Denmark 224.15 -0.08 -0.04% 03/13
Switzerland 4726.74 80.96 1.74% 03/13
Spain 783.09 10.46 1.35% 03/13
Portugal 2016.14 13.61 0.68% 03/13
Ireland 2015.77 24.48 1.23% 03/13
Russia 652.53 33.60 5.43% 03/13

New Zealand 2523.39 31.77 1.28% 03/13
Australia 3294.70 104.30 3.27% 03/13
Nikkei 225 7569.28 371.03 5.15% 03/13

Korea 1126.03 -2.36 -0.21% 03/13
Taiwan 4897.39 142.74 3.00% 03/13
Shanghai 2128.85 -5.03 -0.24% 03/13
Hong Kong 12525.80 524.27 4.37% 03/13
India 8756.61 412.86 4.95% 03/13



Source

I repeat: can it last, and if so, on what basis?



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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I'll stick to my opinion that it is a rally before a large fall. I have no proof other than personal experience from watching the market for along time.

We also need to keep an eye on currencies in the Forex, that can tell us alot about what's happening with confidence on the markets.

Gold at the moment is just confusing.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:18 AM
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Maybe it has to do with this:




Banks want G20 to set up pricey bad bank Critics say the financial sector is holding the economy hostage


www.marketwatch.com...[E99FEEF3-02D8-4126-A74F-370FDD0E5071]

Templars attack!




The request came in a letter to U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown from the Institute of International Finance, a trade group of the world's largest global banks. The IIF wants Brown and his G20 colleagues to push the Obama administration in the direction of setting up a bad bank.

Under this approach, governments would buy toxic assets from banks at a price higher than the prevailing market rates. For the time being, private investors simply won't buy the assets at the prices that the banks want. As a result, banks have huge holes in their balance sheets.

Last month, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner seemed headed in the direction of establishing a bad bank, but veered off at the last minute.





The public is frustrated that the $700 billion plan hasn't worked. They have a sense that bankers who made bad decisions are being rewarded, pollsters said.

The financial sector is holding the American economy hostage, according to Reinhart. "Until we dig them out of their capital hole, they will continue to hold the economy hostage," he said. "You don't like paying ransom, but at least you understand why you do it."


Reinhart is not Reinhardt





Officials from the IIF bristled at their proposal being called a ransom note. "This is about something totally different. This is about trying to clear away a cloud that hangs over the financial system," said Charles Dallara, managing director of the IIF.


So you see, the market has reached bottom and is now climbing again!

Banksters have been slandered!




The taxpayer will be much better off by staring this problem down squarely, because the economy will suffer without a bad-bank plan, he contended.





IIF officials said a global bad-bank approach wouldn't work, and that the best place to initiate the idea is the United States.

Dallara said that there had been "serious malpractice" in many bank boardrooms leading up to the financial crisis. The industry already has come up with new standards on risk management, he added. Compensation reform is now on the table. "Things are happening; the industry is trying to deal with these problems in a serious way. "The industry has to prove itself and demonstrate that is serious," according to Dallara.


Dallara is not Dollara


As it was proved in one of the previous posts here, "industry" is "outsourcing" as a response to this Templars' experiment.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Perhaps the fall may come as the result of US and China stepping into each others toes.

And the way that the G20 are starting to stay away from the US economic crisis approach of spend now and worry later.

After all all the economies are link together and US as we can see is not longer number one calling the shots.

I see a momentum building right now.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Very true but as we have "heard" another stimulus may be in the making and we don't even have spend the last one that Obama just signed yet.

That tells you that either the government is nothing but incompetent morons or they know that they Americas economic problem is bigger than they care to let the tax payer know.

Their approach of borrowing one chunk at the time perhaps is intended as not to scare the already angry population.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by DangerDeath
 


Very true but as we have "heard" another stimulus may be in the making and we don't even have spend the last one that Obama just signed yet.

That tells you that either the government is nothing but incompetent morons or they know that they Americas economic problem is bigger than they care to let the tax payer know.

Their approach of borrowing one chunk at the time perhaps is intended as not to scare the already angry population.



I think you got it right.
We all try to see some logic in this, but there is no logic. There is only truth: They are incompetent, like children who just want something and care not for the rest of the world and all the consequences.

Doing chunks at a time is probably psychologically determined - gives them sense of "time passage" and "development". It's a time out for them if you ask me.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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I like your use of the word "incompetent":

Earmarks anyone?

"During his campaign, Obama had promised to end most earmarks, and now he is spending billions on them. This has ticked him off. Sort of.

"Done right, earmarks have given legislators the opportunity to direct federal money to worthy projects that benefit people in their districts, and that's why I've opposed their outright elimination," Obama said Wednes- day.

So, good earmarks: Yay!

"But the fact is that, on occasion, earmarks have been used as a vehicle for waste and fraud and abuse," Obama also said.

So, bad earmarks: Boo! "

Full Story here...and we WONDER why the markets act all confused as well:
www.suntimes.com...






[edit on 14-3-2009 by irishchic]



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Signpost: Diversion Over


What led to the last couple of pages of mirth was a serious point raised by Hx: are there actually concrete reasons for the gains on the DOW above and beyond a dubious Citigroup memo? We have had one or two argue this is the beginning of a real recovery, and while I have been as guilty as any of totally poo-pooing the idea, those brave enough to go against the flow of conversation deserve some respect.

I hereby invite them to restate their case and back it up with data and analysis to suggest the fundamentals have changed over the last week.

Alternatively the skeptics among us might benefit from playing devil's advocate.


FTSE @ yesterday's close




DJIA @ yesterday's close



Source



Market Indices

Index Quote Change Change% Local
DJIA 7223.98 53.92 0.75% 03/13
NASDAQ 1431.50 5.40 0.38% 03/13
S&P 500 756.55 5.81 0.77% 03/13
Gold & Silver 122.22 1.78 1.48% 03/13
PreMetals 246.52 3.62 1.49% 03/13

London 3753.68 41.62 1.12% 03/13
Paris 2705.63 11.38 0.42% 03/13
Frankfurt 3953.60 -2.62 -0.07% 03/13
Turkey 23615.25 75.76 0.32% 03/13
Hungary 9852.83 391.54 4.14% 03/13
Austria 1491.70 24.44 1.67% 03/13
Poland 23176.70 12.76 0.06% 03/13
Czech 692.30 15.00 2.21% 03/13
Sweden 659.31 -8.34 -1.25% 03/13
Finland 4516.59 -54.09 -1.18% 03/13
Norway 189.81 1.07 0.56% 03/13
Greece 1557.77 3.71 0.24% 03/13
Italy 11368.00 -46.00 -0.40% 03/13
Luxembourg 865.28 16.46 1.94% 03/13
Netherlands 211.74 0.43 0.20% 03/13
Iceland 221.42 2.43 1.11% 03/13
Denmark 224.15 -0.08 -0.04% 03/13
Switzerland 4726.74 80.96 1.74% 03/13
Spain 783.09 10.46 1.35% 03/13
Portugal 2016.14 13.61 0.68% 03/13
Ireland 2015.77 24.48 1.23% 03/13
Russia 652.53 33.60 5.43% 03/13

New Zealand 2523.39 31.77 1.28% 03/13
Australia 3294.70 104.30 3.27% 03/13
Nikkei 225 7569.28 371.03 5.15% 03/13

Korea 1126.03 -2.36 -0.21% 03/13
Taiwan 4897.39 142.74 3.00% 03/13
Shanghai 2128.85 -5.03 -0.24% 03/13
Hong Kong 12525.80 524.27 4.37% 03/13
India 8756.61 412.86 4.95% 03/13



Source

I repeat: can it last, and if so, on what basis?





Here is the scoop.

Market to Market.

Everyone needs to read up on this and why it makes Citi and BAC so valuable all the sudden.

As I have stated previously, I am almost certain that this is going to put Citi anywhere from 4-10 dollars a share pretty soon.

Listen, this isnt going to be an AIG and who knows what price Citi will end up when people start finding out this stock and BAC are two of the most undervalued stocks of all time IMO.

This is a generational buy, I want in so bad I dont have the money. On a side note, how do you think one goes about starting a hedge fund? Do you just need investors? And do these investors just put money into your trading account, and then the "manager" just continues to trade all day?

Also we have Citi being profitable first two quarters and them stopping the TARP, they are now paying back the FED I believe. This shows massive stability.

Citi has also passed the "stress test"

Also, I LOVE CITI ON THE CHARTS, as well as BAC and FAS (3x Financial Bull ETF)

What I am not sure of is the dilution of preferred shares has already happened into CITI.. CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS?



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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On the contrary, I am filling this page with solid information IMO.

And dont worry, I have a trading account, and what charts I use is of none of your concern. The charts I have displayed IMO are a great source of "up to the minute market data" and I am also here to call out bad information.

That is all.


Edit: P4T - Thank you for U2U. I will respond when I can.

[edit on 14-3-2009 by GreenBicMan]



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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More info coming out about toxic asset plan:


"At the time the proposal first was announced on February 10, the scant detail and lack of a clear time frame for removing the toxic assets disappointed investors, who sent bank shares sharply lower, helping to trigger new government rescues for Citigroup and American International Group.

Since then, officials have provided bits and pieces of the plan, which is expected to involve multiple investment funds. Geithner said in testimony last week that the initiative would leverage both public and private capital to buy assets using government financing.

www.reuters.com...



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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On the contrary, I am filling this page with solid information IMO.

Don't forget to keep it 'humble' (-IMHO).


I think Redhatty was concerned you were going into specialist territory that might be a little too tangental. I expect he'll prove more open-minded if you can demonstrate in the short-term that your methods produce graphs that are actually good indicators.


In this instance I can see where you're both coming from.



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Great find! Definitely worth a second read & a bit of serious mulling over.

You've always got to read between the lines, as you know...





[edit on 14/3/09 by pause4thought]



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