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Joe the Plumber part of a deeper conspiracy

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one. Although in the other thread I got no response, because presumably I made some sense and the sheeple can't be bothered with common sense. So here goes, maybe the sheeple in this thread will have something to say. Doubtful though.

1. Joe asked Obama about his tax plan, Joe didn't like Obamas answer.

2. McCain campaign SOMEHOW found out about this Joe the plumber. How? I have no idea, maybe someone could tell me.

3. McCain uses Joe the plumber in his debate with Obama to prove a point about Obamas tax plan. 21 TIMES!

4. After hearing about Joe the plumber 21 times the media wants to know who exactly this man is, so they start digging. They camp at his house, etc.

5. The media finds out all kinds of interesting facts about Joe the plumber. He owes back taxes, he's not licensed, he is not making 250K a year, and is not even in the process of buying this business. If they are not licensed I don't see this company raking in as much money as the licensed guys down the street either. So he may well never fall into that tax bracket.

6. Currently Obamas plan will help him save the money faster that he will need to buy this business. So it's okay for him to enjoy a tax break for a few years that allows him to get further ahead, but is not okay with paying higher taxes when he gets there if he indeed can make that kind of money without being a licensed business.

7. How is all this info about Joe the plumber coming out Obamas fault?

Oh, I guess it's the "liberal" media, therfore, Obamas fault.




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by counterterrorist

Originally posted by RKWWWW
Here is an even more likely conspiricy: Joe is being persecuted by Obama operatives in the media to instill fear in those would question Obama's motives and methods.


THE opening post IS NOT A POST ABOUT OBAMA OR MCCAIN -- hello?










[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]


Really? Than go back and edit the OP and remove all references to McCain and the motives that Joe the Plumber might have vis a vis McCain's candidacy. oops! You can't do that. You wouldn't have a post left.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by RKWWWW]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7


2. McCain campaign SOMEHOW found out about this Joe the plumber. How? I have no idea, maybe someone could tell me.





Are you serious? You don't think that both the McCain and Obama camps don't have thier fingers on each others pulse? You're joking right?

[edit on 17-10-2008 by RKWWWW]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:44 PM
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counterterrorist: THE opening post IS NOT A POST ABOUT OBAMA OR MCCAIN -- hello?

KWWWW: Really? Than go back and edit the OP and remove all references to McCain and the motives that Joe the Plumber might have vis a vis McCain's candidacy. oops! You can't do that. You would have a post left.

CT: the OP is about Joe the dumber sheeple being used by the political process (the brains behind the process) to illustrate the "average American middle class male" and how that is insulting by the powers that be characterizing middle class males as cartoon characters and inserting the Joe blow stuff into McCains comments as a theme to capture what the powers that be consider to be average middle class american males ... just the way the powers that be choose Sarah Palin to represent average middle class american women...

...and how insulting all that is to anyone w/intelligence who does not wish to be stereotyped ... and how that creates more sheeple by reinforcing their ongoing ignorance of sheeple.

Here's an exact example of what I'm talking about by focusing on Joe rather than on important issues such as nationalizing the Fed (nationalizing money):

[url=]http://www.my2012.4t.com/index_1.html[/url=] example 1:
"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world.

By dividing voters through the political party system, we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance.
Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker's Magazine


example 2:

(same url as previous reference) As of 11:05 Tuesday, July 26, 1983, the list of member banks holding Federal Reserve Bank of New York stock includes twenty-seven New York City banks. Listed below are the number of shares held by ten of these banks, amounting to 66% of the total outstanding number of shares, namely 7,005,700:

Shares
Percent

Bankers Trust Company
438,831
( 6%)

Bank of New York
141,482
( 2%)

Chase Manhattan Bank
1,011,862
(14%)

Chemical Bank
544,962
( 8%)

Citibank
1,090,813
(15%)

European American Bank & Trust
127,800
( 2%)

J. Henry Schroder Bank & Trust
37,493
( .5%)

Manufacturers Hanover
509,852
( 7%)

Morgan Guaranty Trust
655,443
( 9%)

National Bank of North America
105,600
( 2%)

The tremendous number of shares held today as against the original purchases in 1914 is brought about by Section 5 of the original Federal Reserve Act which called for a member bank to buy and hold stock in the district Federal Reserve Bank equal to 6% of its capital and surplus.

Currently, shares held by five of the above named banks comprise 53% of the total Federal Reserve Bank of New York stock. An examination of the major stockholders of the New York City banks shows clearly that a few families, related by blood marriage, or business interests, still control the New York City banks which, in turn, hold the controlling stock of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

It is notable that three of the banks holding Federal Reserve Bank of New York stock, in the amount of 270,893 shares, are subsidiaries of foreign banks. J. Henry Schroder Bank and Trust is listed by Standard and Poors as a subsidiary of Schroders Ltd. of London. The National Bank of North America is a subsidiary of the National Westminster Bank, one of London's "Big Five". European American Bank is a subsidiary of the European American Bank, Bahamas, LTD. It is interesting to note that the directors of the European American Bank & Trust include Milton F. Rosenthal, president and Chief Operating Officer of the international gold company, Engelhard Minerals and Chemical; Hamilton F. Potter, a partner in Sullivan and Cromwell (J. Henry Schroder Bank & Trust attorneys); Edward H. Tuck, partner of Shearman and Sterling (Citibank's attorneys); F.H. Ulrich and Hans Liebkutsch, managing directors of the giant Midland Bank of London, one of the "Big Five"; and Roger Alloo, Paul-Emmanuel Janssen, and Maurice Laure of the Societe Generale de Banque (Brussels, Belgium). [See Chart III]



"If this mischievous financial policy which has its origin in North American during the late war in that country, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." ~ Hazard Circular, inserted in 1865 London Times, speaking of Lincoln's 'Greenbacks'.



"Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." ~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809

"Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government ... More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners ... Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing."
~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837

"Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate."
~ President James Garfield, 1881

"We began planning the Revolutionary War in order to issue our own money again ...and keep King George III and Bank of England from enslaving us with debt, and making Americans their financial slaves. By the time the revolutionary war started, Apr. 19 1775, British taxation had sucked the gold and silver out of the American colonies, to Britain. So, we had to print money to finance the war." ~ Benjamin Franklin, a 'founding father', 1706-1790

"The privilege of creating and issuing money is the supreme prerogative of Government, the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By adoption of these principles, taxpayers are saved immense sums of interest." ~ President Abraham Lincoln, 1861-1866

(Editor's note: In the history of America there have been three attempts to have a privately-owned central bank. The first two failed, after lasting a total of 2-to-3 years, the third one was established in 1913, and has bankrupted America -- as of 2008 we owe the private owners of the Fed nine trillion dollars. Lincoln printed publicly-owned money, called, 'greenbacks'. Kennedy printed publicly-owned money in the form of a two-dollar bill. The following excerpt refers to Lincoln printing publicly-owned (U.S. Government-owned) greenbacks.




[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by RKWWWW

Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7
2. McCain campaign SOMEHOW found out about this Joe the plumber. How? I have no idea, maybe someone could tell me.

Are you serious? You don't think that both the McCain and Obama camps don't have thier fingers on each others pulse? You're joking right?
[edit on 17-10-2008 by RKWWWW]


counterterrorist: Cowgirlstraitup, your post was really quite brilliant and observant.

Don't be distracted from your truth or hurt by people who just want to argue for the sake of arguing and who lack perception or the ability to argue intelligently and can't even grasp an argument in the first place.

While a lot of people who like to disrupt ATS folks who are sincere are transparent up to a point where they're given enough rope to hang themselves, others are primarily pedestrian.

They're less than sheeple, if you can imagine that.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Thanks for the blizzard of "facts", but it's not needed because this thread is not that deep or complicated. You proposed one conspiracy theory and I proposed another one. Judging by the responses you got, your conspiracy isn't being taken very seriously. I think mine's more likely, you don't.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by RKWWWW
Thanks for the blizzard of "facts", but it's not needed because this thread is not that deep or complicated. You proposed one conspiracy theory and I proposed another one. Judging by the responses you got, your conspiracy isn't being taken very seriously. I think mine's more likely, you don't.


Sure. Your's is really something all right. In fact, your inability to grasp the argument of the OP or to even notice the "facts" you can't absorb sure does make your conspiracy about the big bad media people out to get Joe very likely, in your eyes ... no one can argue w/that, not even you.

By the way, for people who are NOT sheeple and CAN read and THINK, here's the url to the facts RKWWWW finds to be a blizzard. www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 17-10-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by counterterrorist
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Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.


Yes, one sympathetic post in three pages of responses is very good. I'd say this is going just swell for you.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by RKWWWW

Originally posted by counterterrorist
reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7
 


Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.


Yes, one sympathetic post in three pages of responses is very good. I'd say this is going just swell for you.


Hey RKWWWW, what to do think of this premise?

--Now we see that "Joe" has been a Fed/City of London distraction from the one world currency issue rocketing up around us:
What has captured my attention at the moment is the following post 'EU to present Blueprint for Worldwide Currency System" to US this weekend!', by evilod (please make any comments about world currency at this url): www.abovetopsecret.com... , from orig documentation at: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...

RKWWWW, I know you don't think O or M or J are in charge of the world. Who do you think is?

Do you think all this Joe nonsense is a distraction from the NWO slipping in a One World Currency?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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hahaha! This thread is funny. Just when you think they may snap out of it, the hungry wolves devour up the sheep. I am, of course, referring to some of the vicious attacks made on a man no one here has met, but almost everyone can relate to.

Jealous, greedy, bitter, dependent, and insane. I have seen a lot of this on here and it seems to be getting worse. You are ripping each other the *snip* up. Anyone that has a perspective that is not your own is under attack.

You are doing your part to worsen the situation.
to you, because YOU too, are a part of the deeper conspiracy.
Society goes mad! everyone so suspicious of everyone.. it's close to being a gd witch hunt and we don't even know these people. haha Just weird.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by justamomma]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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I wonder if Joe is behind all this. Weren't there Watergate plumbers, too? Now, there's a conspiracy for you.

By the way, sheeple are not sheep, and wolves do not eat sheeple. Sheeple eat sheeple.

And John Lennon in your signature was killed by an employee of World Vision, who'se other employees also killed folks. The father of the neo-Nazi kid who shot Reagan worked at World Vision ... and as I recall some of the Jim Jones folks were involved ... oh, I remember. World Vision was repopulating Jonetown after the massacre with Cambodians were grew poppies for heroin for CIA-related traffikers.

Gee, if only our presidential candidates would get real, if only for a moment (not to mention Joe) ... oh well, sheeple for president! sheeple for president!



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Simplynoone
I said almost this very same thing yesterday to my husband.
I read between the lines like you did and saw the sheer manipulation in it all.
And of course the sheeple mentality ..


I know, it's an intuitive grasping that takes a minute to voice. Thanks for adding your clarity.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by RKWWWW

Originally posted by counterterrorist
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Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.


Yes, one sympathetic post in three pages of responses is very good. I'd say this is going just swell for you.


One sympathetic post? Are you kidding me? Did you even read what I said? Why don't you quote me LINE BY LINE of my post and disprove ANYTHING/ALL I have said. I am not sympathtetic to the OP, I AM POINTING OUT FACTS! Refute my post line by line please!



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537
Can we close this hate filled thread please?

Besides the fact that there is already an ongoing thread on Joe, this is pure hate speech and has no place at ATS or anywhere else.

Keep it up pal, these attacks on Joe are going to send McCain straight into the White House.



Wow, people are going to elect McCain just because other people are picking on a man who wants to buy the business that he has been working at as a plumber even though, it would be illegal for him to do that work in Ohio anyway? Wow, just what I want. People to elect a man president because of an argument over a fake plumber.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 01:36 AM
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Im sick of this liberal vs conservative BS. Dont you see your being played!
I agree with Alex Jones RARELY but I will say he's got it right when he says 'the left' and 'right' are playing a game of 'good cop, bad cop' and they are just passing the baton back and forth.

It does not matter who you vote for they are being controlled by the same damn people!

There is no hate here, the OP is merely mentioning that the majority of us have been brainwashed! When I look and most politicians i literaly see a puppet with someones hand shoved up there behind.

Im sick of ATS, im sick of this country!



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7

Originally posted by RKWWWW

Originally posted by counterterrorist
reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7
 



Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.


Yes, one sympathetic post in three pages of responses is very good. I'd say this is going just swell for you.


One sympathetic post? Are you kidding me? Did you even read what I said? Why don't you quote me LINE BY LINE of my post and disprove ANYTHING/ALL I have said. I am not sympathtetic to the OP, I AM POINTING OUT FACTS! Refute my post line by line please!


Are you sure you are up to this.
Perhaps you should first solve the riddle of how one politicain can possibly know what his opponent is saying on national news.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by counterterrorist

Originally posted by RKWWWW

Originally posted by counterterrorist
reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7
 


Very great post, perceptive and intelligent. Thanks for your response.


Yes, one sympathetic post in three pages of responses is very good. I'd say this is going just swell for you.


Hey RKWWWW, what to do think of this premise?

--Now we see that "Joe" has been a Fed/City of London distraction from the one world currency issue rocketing up around us:
What has captured my attention at the moment is the following post 'EU to present Blueprint for Worldwide Currency System" to US this weekend!', by evilod (please make any comments about world currency at this url): www.abovetopsecret.com... , from orig documentation at: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...

RKWWWW, I know you don't think O or M or J are in charge of the world. Who do you think is?

Do you think all this Joe nonsense is a distraction from the NWO slipping in a One World Currency?



I think you are an agent provocateur for the NWO.



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by RKWWWW
I think you are an agent provocateur for the NWO.


No you don't.

[edit on 18-10-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 11:02 AM
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Average Joe's boss does have a license, and for some of you to insinuate that mcain's camp set this up is B.S, that would mean that mccain has an operative in obama's camp who told mccains camp where they were going to be and they set up a ruse after finding AKA Joe the plumber on the same street that obama would be on and gave him a list of questions to ask obama. the problem with people today is that they do not check the facts first before speaking, Right C.T

HERE'S WHAT ONE READER WROTE IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE CRAP



Now let me tell you that many news outlets are getting the story right, that Joe’s boss, Mr. Newell (in business since 1974, God bless you sir, I’m sure you could never have imagined all this happening to you in America), is in fact licensed in Lucas County. How do I know? Because the State of Ohio’s computers told me so, and they would tell the media the same if they looked…like I did.

Mr. Newell is licensed. He is licensed in Lucas County. His license number starts with the digits 329 and then has two more digits. I don’t see any need to post more identifying information about innocent people. Search here, plug in the right parameters, and you can download the list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio. It is not difficult, though you have to provide information about yourself as the requester of the information.

So I got this list of licensees.

Mr. Newell is on that list. And if I read the rules of apprenticeship correctly (I am not an Ohio attorney, and yes I could be reading it wrong), the reported date of November 2003 as the date of filing of Joe’s apprenticeship papers seems to be just fine. According to this,

“The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees”

So here’s the point. Many news outlets have gotten it correct, but some have not and that needs to be corrected. Mr. Newell is licensed, and Joe the Plumber is just short of his five years before he can apply for licensure, but as supervised by Newell, he’s o.k.. You can look at screen captures of the entire list of Lucas County licensed plumbers here (part 1) and here (part 2). And as we read the news stories about local officials mobilizing to put Joe out of work, (quote: “A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license. “We’re trying to track him down,” she said”), consider the following:

Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on the list of licensees. Disclaimer: I don’t care that none of them are on the list, and I know that not necessarily every one of the union officers are plumbers at all, as they also represent other trades. That said, their spokesman is on record slamming Joe about licensure.

To their credit, an ACORN spokesman has weighed in that, “There is no such thing as an undocumented plumbing person.”

I made that last part up. Now I’m going to go watch some football.




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