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Originally posted by fleabit
Again, McCain is the one who put him in the spotlight, if you want a scapegaot for poor ol' Joe, look no further. Obama did not bring him up.
As far as taxes go, if Joe were making over 250k a year, he could afford a tax raise. People act as if a tax raise for folks who have the money to pay it is going to ruin them. All Obama told Joe, was that he wanted to spread the wealth in such a way, that people who did make less money COULD PATRONIZE HIS BUSINESS. If everyone is broke, they are going to have cousin Ed come over and bang on the pipes, rather than call good ol' Joe. You may agree or disagree, but that was the concept in a nutshell, and Joe being in the crossfire is McCain's fault. BLAME HIM. Don't harass Obama for something he did not start. Did you expect his campaign to ignore this, and just take it? That's not how that works. Any would-be president who ignores a jab or attack or claim, usually loses points for being weak.
So if you want someone to point fingers at.. point 'em at the right guy please.
I was wrong. His boss is licensed in the Lucas County. Also edit to add this. JOE THE PLUMBER IS LEGIT[
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by Massgirl
I didn't say he can't get one. I didn't even bring up his smarts. I said he doesn't have one. He can't even buy the business. He doesn't have enough liquidity to buy his bosses business!
He's loving this stuff. He's the one who put himself out there. Others are saying he's being attacked when facts are being presented. No matter who benefits from a fact... a fact is just a fact not an attack.
If I started cyber-stalking you, snooped around and posted something that was personal about you (say a past divorce case for example), would that be OK? After all, you are here putting yourself "out there"
Originally posted by Massgirl
Messege boards and putting yourself out on national TV are two very different things. One you are exposing yourself to millions of people instantly, but at it basic element, YES, it is ok. I put myself out there for people to notice and react to me. I deal with the consequences of that action whether negative or positive.
Originally posted by Massgirl
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by Massgirl
I didn't say he can't get one. I didn't even bring up his smarts. I said he doesn't have one. He can't even buy the business. He doesn't have enough liquidity to buy his bosses business!
He's loving this stuff. He's the one who put himself out there. Others are saying he's being attacked when facts are being presented. No matter who benefits from a fact... a fact is just a fact not an attack.
If I started cyber-stalking you, snooped around and posted something that was personal about you (say a past divorce case for example), would that be OK? After all, you are here putting yourself "out there"
Messege boards and putting yourself out on national TV are two very different things. One you are exposing yourself to millions of people instantly, but at it basic element, YES, it is ok. I put myself out there for people to notice and react to me. I deal with the consequences of that action whether negative or positive.
Now I have a task of dealing with my personal saftey... lol
Originally posted by tide88
First off Joe can get a license.
It really isnt that hard. In florida it is an open book test, although you really need to know your stuff because you have multiple books.
To qualify for the examination you must be at least 18 years old. You must also meet one of the following requirements:
* Four year construction-related degree from an accredited college (equivalent to three years experience) and one year proven related experience
* One year of experience as a foreman and not less than three years of credits for any accredited college-level courses
* One year experience as a workman, one year proven experience as a foreman, and two years of credits for any accredited college level courses
* Two years experience as a workman, one year experience as a foreman, and one year of credits for any accredited college level courses
* Four years experience as a workman or foreman of which at least one year must have been as a foreman
* Holding an active certified or registered Florida contractor's license
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by esdad71
the fact is what if this guy wants to OWN a company and employ 7 plumbers. He does not need to be certified as a plumber, just a sub contractor at that point.
If he wants to perform plumbing, me must be licensed plumber. True if he just wants to general contract, he can sub licensed plumbers out on EVERY job. HOWEVER, he must then be a licensed builder and he is not a licensed builder either so once again, he would be breaking the law.
Perhaps he's working under his boss's license.
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by esdad71
the fact is what if this guy wants to OWN a company and employ 7 plumbers. He does not need to be certified as a plumber, just a sub contractor at that point.
If he wants to perform plumbing, me must be licensed plumber. True if he just wants to general contract, he can sub licensed plumbers out on EVERY job. HOWEVER, he must then be a licensed builder and he is not a licensed builder either so once again, he would be breaking the law.
Perhaps he's working under his boss's license.
All the news reports state him as an unlicensed plumber. I'm guessing if that were not true, he'd be contacting them and demanding a retraction.
This is a ridiculous comparison: If we give the politicians a hard time about doing those things why not Joe. I was held accountable when I misrepresent. My mother called that lying and I got a smackdown for it!.
Originally posted by Massgirl
Look... "Joe the plumber" isn't even a license to be a plumber, he makes approx. $40k a year, He was never going to buy his bosses business. He like the politicians, misrepresented himself. If we give the politicians a hard time about doing those things why not Joe. I was held accountable when I misrepresent. My mother called that lying and I got a smackdown for it!. Besides John McCain brought Joe up. McCain put Joe in the spotlight. Anyone put in the spotlight is susceptible to ridicule from either side. Joe's a big dude and seemed to love the satellite trucks on his lawn. he said he was glad to help the election.
If he says his beliefs on national TV, we as TV viewers can have our opinions about Joe. He's not defenseless. Please don't treat him as such. He's a man not a boy!
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by esdad71
the fact is what if this guy wants to OWN a company and employ 7 plumbers. He does not need to be certified as a plumber, just a sub contractor at that point.
If he wants to perform plumbing, me must be licensed plumber. True if he just wants to general contract, he can sub licensed plumbers out on EVERY job. HOWEVER, he must then be a licensed builder and he is not a licensed builder either so once again, he would be breaking the law.
Perhaps he's working under his boss's license.
All the news reports state him as an unlicensed plumber. I'm guessing if that were not true, he'd be contacting them and demanding a retraction.
I think I see your problem here. You are under the misconception that everyone working at a plumbing shop has to have a plumbing license. It is a common, accepted and legal practice to have one license for a small plumbing company. That license is held by the foreman or company owner. That licensed person's name goes on the job permit. There may be 2-3 unlicensed guys at the job site doing the "grunt" work. If you asked one of those guys what he does for a living he'd say. "I'm a plumber". Just like Joe the plumber did.
[edit on 18-10-2008 by RKWWWW]
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by RKWWWW
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by esdad71
the fact is what if this guy wants to OWN a company and employ 7 plumbers. He does not need to be certified as a plumber, just a sub contractor at that point.
If he wants to perform plumbing, me must be licensed plumber. True if he just wants to general contract, he can sub licensed plumbers out on EVERY job. HOWEVER, he must then be a licensed builder and he is not a licensed builder either so once again, he would be breaking the law.
Perhaps he's working under his boss's license.
All the news reports state him as an unlicensed plumber. I'm guessing if that were not true, he'd be contacting them and demanding a retraction.
I think I see your problem here. You are under the misconception that everyone working at a plumbing shop has to have a plumbing license. It is a common, accepted and legal practice to have one license for a small plumbing company. That license is held by the foreman or company owner. That licensed person's name goes on the job permit. There may be 2-3 unlicensed guys at the job site doing the "grunt" work. If you asked one of those guys what he does for a living he'd say. "I'm a plumber". Just like Joe the plumber did.
[edit on 18-10-2008 by RKWWWW]
According to the news reports, "joe" is an unlicensed plumber, not a plumbers helper or apprentice. In any case, neither make anywhere near enough to purchase a plumbing company for $250,000.
I own a construction company and know quite a few licensed plumbers and none of them have $250,000 to throw around and buy a company.
Originally posted by RKWWWW
The news reports are right. Joe is an unlicensed plumber. I'm not disputing that. Like I said There may be 2-3 unlicensed guys at the job site doing the "grunt" work. If you asked one of those guys what he does for a living he'd say. "I'm a plumber". Just like Joe the plumber did.
It's irrelevent how many plumbers you know that you think do not have the money to buy a plumbing business. None of them are the plumber in Ohio whom you know abosolutely nothing about as far as his finances go. For all you know he's going to inherit a millon bucks.