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A question about money and secret societies

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posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 10:46 PM
Ok if you look on the front of the greenback, you will see an owl. If you look on the back of a greenback, you will see an eye. Also on the back of the dollar you will see "In God We Trust"(On all the money actually). The owl, signifies the Bohemian club/grove or something more ancient. The eye is the Illuminati. God of course is God. Why? Are these all warring factions. Are we to believe that the the first two are against God? Why on the money? I honestly wish I had an answer to this. This is puzzling and there is no accident that they all three appaer on the dollar bill the most common of American currency. I don't think anyone can poopoo this away, it is out there given to the lowest of the low and meant to be seen by all. Certain ideas come to mind. The owl is in the open and hidden. The eye can only be seen if you turn the bill over. God almost always is not given the place of honor above all others (on the penny God gets top billing but on the quarter America is above God). Why even have God on our money if there is to be a seperation of church and state? We also have " nation under God..." A wise man once said, "What's goin' on ain't what's happenin'!" So what is really going on? Don't look at it as a religious issue, that is not why I brought it up. Look at in the context of the Government trying to manipulate the people. Obviously no right answer. What do you guys think?

posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 10:57 PM
Well I don't see an "Owl" not a meant one anyways...and the Owl isn't that Athena's symbol? The Goddess of Wisdom and all that.

The eye of providence is on the back, developed by Thomas something or other...just type in 'The great seal of the United States" and one of the items on the first page on yahoo is about the meanings and how they came about.

But the eye is most definately not Illuminati, the illuminati didn't really exist in popularity like today, back when this was all developed.

The "In God we Trust" comes from the Masonic "In whom do you trust?" "In god" phrase.

The God is on the money because all the founding fathers believed in the Providence of God and that he was truly behind the construction of America.

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posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 08:02 AM
So seperation of church and state is a falicy? It could never REALLY happen because of our founding fathers?

Take a dollar out of your pocket, look at the TOP RIGHT numeral 1. On the TOP LEFT border around the 1 you will see a small white speck, under a magnifying glass it is an owl. Not to draw too much attention to themselves the bohemians placed it there in the open yet hidden. Under our very noses, as it were. You could argue either way about the eye. I must say I never heard of providence described as an eye.

From what I understand, the money guys were illuminatti and it seems bohemians, very influencial people in the world, no? Greenspan on both accounts.

It's like they are saying look, we're powerful, influential and make all the rules, and here are the symbols to prove it, but you will never find the truth we are that well hidden, and hello to those in the fold. Or am I imagining it?

I am a smart person and don't take to flights of fancy. I think and have at least half a brain. You skeptics are always saying no you are crazy to think there are conspiracies, but if there is proof then you are not stupid or crazy. I think the skeptics are the stupid ones because they are so rigid in their thinking that they won't even acknowledge the possibility without a shred of evidence. You have no faith and are like Thomas. "Blessed are they that have not seen and yet believe!"

[Edited on 16-1-2003 by troylawson]

posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 10:21 AM
I looked.

Top right 1. Top left border. Under 4x magnification.

I see the dot. It doesn't appear to be an owl on any of the bills in my possession.

posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 02:29 PM

[Edited on 4-5-2003 by echelon]

posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 03:01 PM
*that*'s an OWL???? It's a conjunction of lines just like the one near the upper leaf. Same configuration.

Honestly. If they'd wanted the Bohemian Grove owl on there, doncha think they'd have made it LOOK like the BG owl? That looks like a meatloaf with an overturned pot on it.

Engravers can do quite discernable objects even at that size.

posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 04:10 PM
I always thought it was a spider...go figure, it changes forms like the devil

As for seperation of church and state, I think you can say we have quite the seperation, nothing on the dollar bill denotes a church of any kind.

Just because the founding fathers could never realize (since they lived in wild lands and new the powers and grandure of nature, no athiest yet has come forth and admitt they've lived at nature's mercy) how stupid America would become, and people would denounce beliefs entirely and thus become offended by the word god, doesn't mean that they have any religious preference.

This is the same misconception that floats about Freemasonry, that because they believe in god, they are religious, most untrue.

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posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 05:45 PM
No question that that is an OWL!

That is unreal! I had no idea that an owl was hidden on the bill. What's crazy is I just read a long article with photos of the BG.

Crazy stuff.

posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 05:55 AM
I've heard a long time ago about the owl.

illuminati eye is the eye of horus ( sun god ) and it also proves that freemasonry is involved to some extent because they use the eye too. ( on the compass for example.) Either freemason is ignorant to this fact or hiding it under the rug so to speak. There with no doubt was a bavarian illuminati in May 1776 as well as now. No one would pull up the all seeing eye so much in todays world just because they thought it looked nice. The cunning fox would always be able to say later, it was there all the time under your nose.

posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 02:32 PM
the masonry has no problem admitting that they were the ones that designed the pyramid with the eye.
they take pride in the fact that the fathers of this great nation were masons.
but they will deny any accusations about being associated with the illuminati, like anyone else.

[Edited on 4-5-2003 by echelon]

posted on Feb, 5 2003 @ 05:08 PM
That's scary mogus. What means it?

posted on Feb, 5 2003 @ 06:29 PM
the owl is actually an Idol God worshipped by the "Elite" at a place called the Bohemian Grove in CA.

Here is an article regarding the BG.

The Bohemian Grove is a 2900 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, California, on the south shore of the Russian River. It contains accomodation for 3000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.
The Bohemian Club is a private, all male club that is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack thereof).

The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates) because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican US president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and directorss and CEOs of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members and frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, S.D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson, Jr., (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA), and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A.W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate in the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care," in which the members, wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). The ceremony involves the burning of "Dull Care" who symbolizes the burdens and responsibilities these harried Bohemians now wish to shed temporarily. More than 100 Bohemians take part in the ceremony as priests, acolytes, torch bearers, brazier bearers, boatmen, and woodland voices, but despite many flowery speeches, they can't get the fire started. The perplexed Bohemians must turn to the mighty Owl for advice: "O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee, grant us thy counsel," intones the High Priest. An aura of light creates a glow around the Owl's head, and then the big bird reveals its wisdom. The High Priest must light the pyre with the flame from the Lamp of Fellowship, located conveniently on the "Altar of Bohemia" at the base of the Shrine...
-- William Domhoff, The Progressive, January 1981.

This ceremony resembles the ancient Canaanite worship of the idol, Molech. Like the Owl of Bohemia, the ancient Ammonite idol Molech was a towering larger-than-life edifice. Whereas Owl is solid, the bronze Molech was hollow. Molech worship consisted of the ritualized sacrifice of the first-born infant son of every Ammonite newlywed family. Building a fire in the belly of the beast until the flames poured out of the mouth, the high priest mounted a scaffold and tossed the first born male child into an aperture in Molech's chest, to the incantation of drums and droned liturgy of the priests of Molech.

Technically, Owl worship, as it is practiced in the Grove, is somewhat different from Molech worship. Peter Weiss, writing in Spy Magazine, November 1989, states, "Bohemian Club literature -- boasts that the Cremation of Care ceremony derives from Druid rites, medieval Christian liturgy, the Book of Common Prayer, Shakespearean drama, and nineteenth-century Amerindan lodge rites." Is this the straight goods, or is it sugar coated PR covering a darker sacrificial rite, terrifying even on a symbolic level?

John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up, includes Paul Bonacci's testimony about a snuff film of a child being murdered on July 26, 1984 in California in "an area that had big trees." At a meeting in Santa Rosa, DeCamp told a group that the had edited out Bonacci's references to an enormous, moss-covered owl and men in hooded red robes because he did not know then about the owl at the Grove and thought it "too far fetched for people to believe." In the fall of 1992 Paul was shown a black and white photo of the white photo of the moss covered owl at the Grove and quickly identified it as the site of the July 1984 snuff film described in DeCamp's book. Although this testimony has been available to law enforcement officials since mid-October 1992, no official investigation has been made. A casket christened "Dull Care" and borne, like the passing of Arthur, in a boat across the lake could be a symbol, also not only of the "cares of this world," but of caring itself. The denizens of the Grove, as a collective body, are the ruling class and upper echelon bagmen who make and orchestrate war -- the modern Molech. It would make sense to immolate caring, conscience and the consequences of their business transactions, lest they take responsibility for millions of souls around the globe whose lives have been affected by wars of Yankee imperialism in the twentieth century.

The existence of a pagan cult among the power elite at Bohemian Grove contradicts the media portrayal of a Republican Party "taken over" by the Moral Majority right wing. The Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells have not taken over the Republican Party because the power elite -- amoral and always bi-partisan -- have been using the religious right as "useful idiots," to borrow Lenin's phrase, in the longterm manipulation of the masses into accepting the "New Paradigm," which is nothing more than the social liturgy of the high priests of the New World Order. They would willingly sacrifice the whole world on the altar of the economic hegemony of multinational cartels.

The world that the plutocrats are attempting to bring to birth is far more Babylonian and pagan than Christian. The twenty-year alliance between the Christian Right and the Republican Party, so useful in its day in accomplishing the economic agenda of the power elite during the Reagan-Bush era, will increasingly become the fall guys and flack men for their ruling class masters, as the dialecticians maneuver the armies of the night into the battle formations of the Final Conflict.

The ruling class is certain that by convincing the Left and the Christian Right that each other is the main enemy, they can orchestrate a crescendo of conflict between both camps, knock both out, and eliminate substantial sectors of resistance to the New World Order in the process. The denizens of the Grove are well aware of the critical path of the nineties. After inducing the various elements of the opposition to fall upon each other, they expect to be able to continue their sacrifices in peace, in their corporate-feudal Shangri-La, the new world they are earnestly bringing to birth, the new age in which ritual sacrificing of live humans shall be considered normal and healthy.

Some 20% engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of many prostitutes and mind controlled sex slaves who come from around the world for this event. Is this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants.

Besides this type of merriment, the annual gathering serves as an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful men in the country do their "networking" here, despite the Grove's motto "weaving spiders, come not here" (don't do business in the Grove). At these gatherings, men representing the government, military-industrial and financial sectors meet and make policy decisions. The Manhattan Project, which produced the first atomic bomb, was conceived in the Grove in 1939. Other decisions made at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be. There are speeches, known as "Lakeside Talks," wherein high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not available to the public at large.

What are the topics of discussion at the "Lakeside Talks"?
The 1991 talks included:

Joseph Califano HEW Secretary, Carter Administration "America's Health Care Revolution: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Pays"
Helmut Schmidt Former German Prime Minister "The Enormous Problems of the 21st Century"
Elliot Richardson Nixon & Reagan Administrations "Defining a New World Order"
John Lehman Secretary of the Navy/Reagan Administration "Smart Weapons"
Richard Cheney Present Secretary of Defense "Major Defense Problems of the 21st Century"
When powerful people work together, they become even more powerful. The Grove membership is wealthy, and becoming more so, while the middle class is steadily becoming poorer. This close-knit group determines whether prices rise or fall (by their control of the banking system, money supply, and markets) and they make money whichever way the markets fluctuate. They determine what our rights are and which laws have effect, and then selling candidates to us via the media which they own. Important issues and facts are omitted from discussion in the press, or slanted to suit their goals, but they are discussed frankly at the Grove. Is there true democracy when so much power is concentrated in so few hands? Is there any real difference between the public and private sectors when cabinet members come from the boardrooms of large corporations? Is the spending of billions of dollars on weapons, which are by consensus no longer needed, really the will of the people? Or is it the will of General Electric, General Dynamics, and the other weapons contractors represented at the Grove?
Educate yourself about the Grove and its inhabitants and the true nature of the power structure in the world. Then educate your friends. Don't take my word for it.

Since most major newspapers and broadcast stations are owned by "insiders," be wary of everything you hear in the press. If you can, participate in protest activities during the July retreat.

Send a note to: Bohemian Grove Action Network, PO Box 296, Occidental CA 95465. A $5 donation to cover printing and mailing costs is requested.

You can also learn a little more about BG at

Neat yet scary stuff indeed.

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