I was related a stry by a friend about Joe the Plumber. They were having a drinking party and each guy had to pick a phrase to drink to. One guy actually picked "Joe the Plumber". He said not one of them was still awake at the end of the debate, and the porcelin Gods recieved quite a bit of worship.

One other thing. If Joe were to make $500,000, Obama's tax increase would amount to an additional $7500 in taxes. I don't think that alone is going to discourage anyone from going forward with their business plans. Another shameful act by the GOP. Proabbaly could have gotten away with it 8 years ago.

If I had evidence, we wouldnt be debating it, we'd be reading news reports.

Joe the plumber is the perfect poster boy for Mccain.

He's a hard working American
He's an average 'Joe' - boy what a coincidence
And he backs Mccain..

This man is meant to portray the everyday American, showing that the popular vote amongst average working Americans is to back Mccain.

Look at it, I watched that debate, and not ONCE did Mccain nail home anything on Obama.
At the most, he was on Par, but Obama shut down Mccain.

You could see how blatant Mccains ignorance was, he'd completely ignore anything Obama says, and just lambast him for ripping off average 'joe's'
Anyone with an IQ could see, Mccain was hoping people would listen, and not think.

And for 'Joe' to come out saying Mccain had great points and such, just shows me this man never actually cared about what was said, because if he genuinely thought of the policies both were putting forward in that debate, and listening to the answers you would of seen that Mccain infact DIDNT project anything positive or worthwhile.

Greeneye, fair call there mate.
You work hard, you expect to get the fruits of your labour.
I agree,

But, I also say once youve got enough anymore is for show.
Now, im sure these people who earn $250,000.00 worked hard, and are now living life a little easier.

But this type of person constitutes a massive minority, as in a few %.

Now, if the few % can take a pay cut, and still live very comfortable so that a massive majority, 90something % can actually survive instead of struggle tooth and nail.. I think its in their interests, America's interests and humanity's interest to take that pay cut and help your fellow man.

For too long have billionaire's been given tax cuts, while low income earners get nothing.

Those Americans in the $250,000.00 have had it good for a while now, im sure they can take a pay cut to help their country.


on a side note, my typing may come acrss narky, but im not meaning to be like that.
I just like words! )

i'm an electrician but i have no license.

it's not really complicated.

it just restricts how far legally you can practice

and how far legally you deal with handing out

and recieving money

... Dirty, cheap, and meaningless, but smart.

Sounds like my last relationship...sorry but I couldn't resist!

Did anyone confirm whether or not "Joe the Plumber" is a relative of Charles Keating????? I had a thread deleted earlier today on that topic!!

A good example of socialism is the government buying shares in private banks with citizen tax dollars. Nationalizing banks! Now that is socialism!

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I agree! Socialism on both sides......but my problem is Obama's answer is what the story should be, not who asked the question. It's a total diversion.



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"Joe the Plumber" -- real or fabricated--is not the average American. The average American makes far less than 250k (I recently read the national average is around 30k) a year. If "Joe the Plumber" makes that much then he is, by definition, not average.

People need to face the facts and forget about this partisan bickering. Our country is underfunded by over half a trillion dollars each and every year and we're forced to borrow that money from China, Japan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and even frigging Mexico just to meet our annual budget and pay the interest on the already $10.5 trillion debt from previous years borrowing. The reason we're underfunded is simple - we spend too much money and don't collect enough tax dollars. There is ONLY one solution, spend less and collect more taxes.

Somebody is going to have to pay more taxes - the middle class can't do it and the wealthy don't want to do it. That's the difference as I see it and the wealthy are going to have to suck it up, regardless of what each party says they'll do when elected. Taxes are going up and spending is going to be slashed, and you can take that to the bank (if your bank hasn't been looted and burned to the ground by January).

Never let the tuth get in the way of a good story.

Whether Joe (the Plumber) Wurzelbacher was a put up or not, this video of the original questions to and answers from Obama is worth seeing. As an erstwhile tax accountant, I can say that Obama knows his stuff and was able to provide a very good answer to him. In response, Joe is smiling and appears to be won round. Seriously! It’s over 5 minutes long, Obama gives him that much time, and no soundbite broadcaster is going to show it all. Instead, those like Fox have picked out the bits which they reckon show Obama in a bad light (”share it around”), taking that quote out of context and dong their best to convince voters that Obama is a clean-shaven slimmed down and blacked-up version of Karl Marx. What they don’t show is Obama’s clear explanation of why his plans would have been of benefit to Joe the Plumber *and* that Joe appears to understand this