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Good and Evil: The Origin of Belief, and How to Change the World

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:24 PM
All across the world, there are many beliefs. They are radically different from one another, yet people are devoutly protective of them. To spit in the eye of political correctness, something has to be right, and something has to be wrong. Yet, everyone who holds these beliefs is steadfast, holding to the notion that they are correct, and everyone else in the world ahs been deceived.

Some of the videos and sources I may cite are radical to the point of hilarity, and others are so frightening that they may make you think twice about what you thought you knew. Some videos are tremendously disturbing.

The purpose of this post is not to frighten, isolate, or offend. I am simply offering demonstrations to illustrate the tremendous differences out there. By the end of this I hope to bring us all together.

I will talk about several kinds of beliefs, religious, political, racial, and otherwise.

Please watch at least a few videos from each segment before commenting.

First, allow me to cite some interesting “Christian” videos, to show you the range. Then I will take whatever I can find from other religions so as not to give the wrong impression that I’m for one over the other.

These are about the Westboro Baptist Church. These are the God Hates Dead Soldiers people.

Next I will post a video of a Christian woman on a TV show.

These next videos are from Benny Hinn

This is a brief video from Pastor Hagee

Catholic Mass

These videos by no means speak for the entire Christian collective. Here are a few other videos, that I grabbed at random to illustrate a different side of Christianity.

In Christian teachings alone, you see many interpretations of the same Philosophy. All VERY different.

Now, let’s look at another religion: Islam.

Now that we’ve looked at some more peaceful teachings, let’s take a squint at some less peaceful teachings.

I apologize, the majority of the fringe videos available were included by people who have an agenda. It was hard to navigate past this.

The Jewish population is fairly small in comparison, so there will not be as many videos.

Radical Judaism.

Zionist movement

On our perusal through the Abrahamic religions, we’ve seen quite a contrast, moderate beliefs, and extremist beliefs on all sides. But we have to check out a few of those Eastern religions.

Buddhist teachings, for example, are very different from what we’ve seen thus far. Due to the scarcity of videos on the subject, in english, I will provide a few articles.

Radical Buddists

Next, we will look at Hinduism. First, the moderate side.

Extreme Hinduism

Atheism, yes, good ol’ Atheism. Let’s look at some of their arguments. For this I will include debates, as there is no massive union of Atheists.

Richard Dawkins

I was hard pressed to find an extreme example of atheism. I have found some commentary of “Militant Atheism”

To be fair, I have not found a decent example of Military Atheism that are comparable to some of what we’ve seen in the religious bracket.


People interviewed after a Palin ralley

Glenn Beck Obama Anthem

Strange anti-Obama jingle



McCain = Bush video



[edit on 16-10-2008 by TheGreySwordsman]

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:25 PM
Here are some racial fringe videos and articles.

White Power: Neo-Nazi and KKK movements

Strange Obama support video:

Black power and anti-white movements

Animal Rights.Some of the videos in this section are extremely disturbing.

Crimes against animals. Very disturbing.

It gets a lot worse.

Human atrocities, concentration camps, rape, genocide:

[edit on 16-10-2008 by TheGreySwordsman]

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:26 PM
As we’ve seen, there are all kinds of beliefs out there. There are minor and major political differences, diverse religious opinions, even fundamental differences about the importance or lack there of, of human and animal lives.

I wanted to conclude my list of resources with those that would inspire outrage and sadness. How can people do such things? They seem so far beyond what any normal, decent person would do. Yet, there are people, who coolly, and without moral issue commit the most horrible of crimes.

People can be convinced of anything. They can think any belief is true, and have absolute Faith that they are right. A human being can be motivated to commit any crime, or engage in any behavior without hesitation. How can so many people have such differences of opinion? Teaching peace and love is a far cry from tossing babies into a pit of fire while their raped mothers watch.

It’s not a question of intelligence. On all sides, there are brilliant people. It’s a question about how belief comes to be. How do we determine what is right and wrong? How do we know what is true and false?

This goes far beyond the doctrine of any religion or philosophy. Each has a multitude of interpretations as different as each snow flake.

How then, can we account for so many people, many with high levels of intelligence, believing so many different things?

It’s called Auto-Suggestion.

Auto-Suggestion is the process through which an individual determines reality.

It’s very simple. Whatever the Conscious Mind repeatedly accepts as true, the Subconscious Mind accepts as fact, and interprets all later experience and data through that bias.

When an idea is internalized, it’s because we’re looking for answers. When through experience we make a determination, we may have an answer. But most of the time, we accept whatever we hear from a trusted source.

When we are children, we get most of our opinions from our parents. We inherit from them their religious beliefs, their social bias, not through blood, but through indoctrination. We can be exposed to something a million times, and never accept it as true. But, if we Consciously hold on to something for 21 days or more, it becomes a part of us, programmed into our Subconscious Mind, entirely without bias.

Our Subconscious Mind doesn’t care what kind of data we program it with. It simply follows orders, like a computer. I may open up a document and type “Love” or I may type “Hate” it’s up to me. The Subconscious Mind does not care, it only acts on what is repeatedly accepted by the Conscious Mind, and what is emotionalized.

Emotions play a valuable role. Many find Jesus or God in a time of need. They are looking for help, they are WANTING something to appear. They are looking for intervention.

When we emotionalize something, we increase the potency of the programming. For example, when you first fell in love, you thought of the person a lot. You wanted things to be right with them. You thought about them day and night with loving thoughts. This emotion reinforced the images you were picturing in your mind, and your Subconscious Mind eventually accepted that it was love.

Take another instance, pick someone you dislike. How did you grow to dislike them? You thought of them, picturing things you disliked associated with them, and connected them to what enraged you, and boom. You hated that person.

Through this process, anyone can be made to believe anything, and that is how they will see the world. All that is required is for someone to emotionalize a mental image repeatedly for 21 days or more. Then, that belief becomes a part of them.

Many of us actually have very negative opinions of ourselves that are grossly distorted. Take the anorexic as an extreme example. They think they are fat, when obviously, they are skeletal. We often look in the mirror and judge our lips, or teeth, or eyes, and compare them to someone else, being unsatisfied. We judge our wealth, our success, our capabilities, by comparing them to others. Then we become sad that we are not where “they” are, and so emotional scars build up. Auto-Suggestion does this as well, working on the Self-Image, which is an internalized image of ourselves, our personalities, and abilities.

Through proper use of Auto-Suggestion, we can change our beliefs about ourselves, and change our Self-Image.

How do we defeat an ideology? With guns? Bombs? Threats? No. We cannot defeat through conflict. Conflict only brings resistance.

The people of Germany during WW2 didn’t think they were evil Nazi’s. They thought they were proud Germans. Even Hitler said he was doing God’s work.

The only way to defeat an ideology is through information. Give them enough conflicting information that eventually they start questioning their beliefs. Once they begin to question their beliefs, they may begin to accept what they are being exposed to, over past programming.

When faced with conflict, we cannot fight back, and build anger, that will only prove they are right. We must instead show them a side that they are not aware of. A side they must think is false. Change public perception.

This is done through rallies, talks, documents, books, literature, television, media, seminars.

The only way peace and love can prevail is by convincing the world that war and hate only hurt ourselves, and one another. We must teach that each of us has one power, the power to choose.

We can choose the path of Harmony, or Conflict, in all circumstances.

If we choose Conflict about ourselves, say that we are bad, or stupid, or weak, or ugly, we create conflict with ourselves. Instead, we must choose Harmony, and eliminate that hatred we have for ourselves. Only by developing an unconditional love for ourselves, can we find inner peace.

If we choose Conflict with others, they fight us, and we fight them. If I push you, and call you my enemy, you will think that. If I shake your hand, and call you my friend and brother, your opinion about me may start to change. From our unconditional love of ourselves, we develop an unconditional love of others. We do not say for an instant that I am better than her, or he is better than me. We see each other as all different members of the same family, all with our own strengths, and weaknesses.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:27 PM
We can use our knowledge of Auto-Suggestion to change ourselves, and then change the world. We can teach people that hatred only puts walls between ourselves and family that we did not know we had. If we love, we can teach others to love.

It is simple. But everyone from the biggest businessman, to the most crooked politician, to the most bitter civilian, from the homeless thieves, to the wealthy executives, after we love ourselves without exception, we must then learn to see our old enemies as beloved friends, even if they continue to treat us like dirt.

Then, with Auto-Suggestion, we can change the minds of the world. It may take generations to erase the hate, but it will never come without action. Each man and woman here must look inside his or herself, and choose Harmony. Every circumstance tin life that Conflict rears it’s ugly head, seek to transform it into a Harmonious situation. Only by looking out for one another, not over protecting one another, can we free ourselves of the shackles of hatred.

We each have a choice, we can either stand and lead, or sit back and complain.

Right and wrong are determined by Auto-Suggestion. Do not exclude others because they hate you, or are of a different color or religion. Do not condemn them, but find a reason to love them. You cannot change the world without first changing yourself, and your personal relationships.

Through Auto-Suggestion, we can find the way.

Thank you for your time.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:27 PM
Wow talk about doing some homework ..
Seriously that will take us all a lifetime to read or watch .

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:29 PM
reply to post by Simplynoone

I know it's long. But I couldn't think of any other way to do it all proper. I encourage everyone to watch at least one video from each segment, and then read my commentary before replying.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:57 PM
I'm sorry I cannot watch videos from work. But I can still imagine how different everyone is with their views on life. I really like what you have to say though, it sounds like a great idea and although most people couldn't even try to do what you're saying, as long as some people can, then the world will slowly become a better place

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:59 PM
...starred and flagg

Once I make a coherent response about your ENTIRE post and watch all of the videos, i will edit later.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:10 PM
Hey Grey is there anyway you can edit the links so it does not stretch out so wide ?Maybe you could shorten the lines anyway ...thanks

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:13 PM
reply to post by vapedson

Why couldn't most people even try to do what I'm saying?

Are you telling me learning to love yourself, and love others is too difficult? That's all I'm asking the individual to do.

But I encourage people to band together for the purpose of promoting unity.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:15 PM
reply to post by Simplynoone

I'd love to. But I don't know how exactly to do it properly, and don't wanna mess up the links. Understandably, I've spent hours selecting links, and don't want to waste that. I would appreciate a moderator correcting that error so it is more reader friendly.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:16 PM
I think it is just the dividers that are making it stretch
Click Edit and find those lines and backspace to get them shorter ..

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by Simplynoone

All better. Thanks!

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:53 PM
i cant watch the videos but i get the idea. I will say here again. Humanity is subject to swings of emotional states, or lack of chemicals in the brain that determine a positive balanced mental state. People let themselves get reactionary over samll issues, they dont think rationaly, and they lack general respect for other life forms other than themselves. On top of that society enhances this with tv, oppression, instigations for political gains in selfish causes from the greedy. Once humanity solves this, then all this confusion and babble of toungues might recede over time. Until people look themselves in the mirror and say to themselves "your a loser D-bag and you need to change and make something better of yourself" classism, pride, greed, mockery and ignorance of common respect will flurrish in this most pathetic world of idiots.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 09:30 PM
Most of these videos are in the 2-5 minute range. Some are longer, you can watch the full thing if you want, but 5-7 minutes should give you enough of a gist of even the longer ones to get.

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 09:42 PM
From our Anonymous ATS friend
i cant watch the videos but i get the idea. I will say here again. Humanity is subject to swings of emotional states, or lack of chemicals in the brain that determine a positive balanced mental state. People let themselves get reactionary over samll issues, they dont think rationaly, and they lack general respect for other life forms other than themselves. On top of that society enhances this with tv, oppression, instigations for political gains in selfish causes from the greedy. Once humanity solves this, then all this confusion and babble of toungues might recede over time. Until people look themselves in the mirror and say to themselves "your a loser D-bag and you need to change and make something better of yourself" classism, pride, greed, mockery and ignorance of common respect will flurrish in this most pathetic world of idiots."

I personally don't feel the issue has as much to do with chemical imbalance in the brain. I feel entirely, that in every circumstance, this issues manifest because of Auto-Suggestion based off of past experience and education that has led them to believe a certain way.

I don't think looking in the mirror and telling yourself how bad you are is an effective impetus for change. It's my opinion that by looking down on yourself, you make change for the better more difficult. You must learn to care about yourself unconditionally, not cut yourself apart. If people would start there, and then progress to external relationships, it would be ideal. By condemning yourself and the world, you create conflict, saying you and they must change in order to be worthy. The fact is, you're all already worthy, and ready, you just don't know it yet, and those of us who do know it, learn more about it each day.

I do agree that there is a great deal of manipulation by others for the sake of gaining power and influence. It's been practiced for thousands of years. Another prime example of Auto-Suggestion. Get people to emotionalize and internalize what you're saying and you can convince them of anything. You can tell them a space ship will take them away if they kill themselves, they'll do it. You can tell them aliens are gonna make it right, they'll believe it. You can tell them that you are God and they will believe it. Auto-Suggestion can convince people of anything. Auto-Suggestion is the means by which we develop Faith.

I also agree that TV, and the shift of focus over the last few decades has made manipulation very easy.

Thanks for your contribution!

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 10:00 PM
The title of your thread is the very problem that faces us all. You equate good and evil. Therein lies the flaw to your logic.

The opposite of good is not evil, it is bad. Good and bad things happen to each and every one of us every day. It's life.

Righteous is the opposite of evil. Both words have a deep spiritual meaning that has forces from the beyond fighting for us or against us.

Righteous and evil are one thing, good and bad are another. You shouldn't mix the two up, it makes for messy conversation.

Love and light,

Edit to say: starred and flagged, just for the effort. Keep up the good work

[edit on 16-10-2008 by mrwupy]

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 10:17 PM
reply to post by mrwupy

The problem lies in what people define things as. I don't think there is a problem with my logic, but the terminology. The thing is, I have to use expressions people will understand. A few months ago when I posted about being spiritually unbiased to actions whether they are harmonious or conflicting, virtually no one got it. No one understood really what I was talking about when I took good and evil out of the equation. It's my opinion that you have to start with what people relate to, and gradually give them information that will take them farther and farther from the norm.

But thank you very much for your input, I will apply it to my next thread. It's a tricky balance, speaking in a way people understand without getting too abstract.

At least for me anyway.

Titles and labels are things we create to identify with something. The problem is once we define this as that, we can miss the point entirely because someone uses different terminology.

Edit to add some commentary:

In this particular thread, I only go so far as to hint at the idea that there are no bad people. We are all the same. The problem is, sometimes we are programed with ideas that cause conflict, that lead to actions that cause greater conflict.

At a later time then, we can address that there are no bad acts either, because the Divine consciousness that permeates all reality only exists in the present, and from that point of view, everything is perfect, we cannot actually harm each other because the divine is eternal, and we are divine, and we are all presently enlightened and fully united. It's one of my biggest teachings that God doesn't forbid anything, people do.

But, all of that is worthless if people don't get it, and continue to practice behavior that does not reflect their Divine Heritage as Creators.

Once we get paced there are no bad people, then we'll go to there are no bad actions, and so on. But we first have to level with people from a platform that is accessible.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by TheGreySwordsman]

posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:12 PM
As this is about belief and how it develops, let's talk about self-beliefs.

The Self-Image is the image we have of ourselves, that we filter all information through concerning ourselves.

We are constantly mindlessly damaging our Self-Image and that of others. When we look in the mirror and say that we are ugly, or need to lose weight, or have crooked teeth or a scar, we are internally scarring ourselves. We lose confidence because we feel others are more attractive than we are, so we are some how inferior to them because of this. We so rarely focus on what we like.

When you slip up, you mess up a sale, don't catch the ball, spoil the wedding, etc, you beat up on yourself, and say you are no good, or clumsy, or foolish.

When we beat ourselves up, we get negative emotions surrounding mental pictures about ourselves, and this can then become a part of our Self-Image.

In the future, when we encounter a similar situation to the one we made a mistake in, we feel tension. This is internal conflict, we expect failure, and engineer failure in our lives, because we have the negative, false idea that we are our mistakes.

We suffer a break up or a loss of a loved one, and we play countless images of the good times we had, or sing sad songs. This is programing our Self-Image. This is Auto-Suggestion. We are making ourselves victims. We are living in the past a time that is gone, and since it is gone, those circumstances of the past no longer exist, so we are dissatisfied with the present.

Our parents may have told us that we will never amount to anything, or that we're stupid, or weak, this scars us internally. These inner scars wound our Self-Image , creating tension within ourselves, and in turn, tension with the external world.

We may come to view ourselves as inferior, and our Self-Image must prove us correct. It must prove to us that we are failures. Whatever your Self-Image is programmed with, it must work to prove you correct. If you believe that you need a college education to be successful, and you do not have one, you will unconsciously seek out verification of this idea.

As I mentioned earlier, anorexics do not see themselves as the walking skeletons they are. They instead see themselves as obese. This is because their Self-Image is distorted.

We can eliminate the conflict inside, and help heal our Self-Image, by showing compassion for ourselves. By forgiving ourselves of every blunder. Then we must learn to forgive others. They, like us, are only human. These two alone will eliminate much tension in our lives. But then w can go farther by seeing ourselves at our best and learning to keep up only with ourselves and not others. These then are the four principles of emotional and spiritual relaxation of Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr. Maxwell Maltz.

After we heal our scars, we can improve our Self-Images to help us succeed, and be happy the greater share of the time, with zero resistance. By eliminating the conflict within, we melt away the conflict without.

Auto-Suggestion can both heal and harm our Self-Images. I encourage everyone to be careful how they use it.

posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:45 PM
Still the same old, same old Religions are brainwashing us crap.

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