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Originally posted by ExistenceUnknown
Example: "why did you give that homeless guy 5 dollars?"
Answer: "it made me feel good"
Originally posted by Mabus
Snarl not, if you are all 'for' doing selfless acts! And snarl not, if you are all 'for' doing egotistical acts!
Lets look through all those claiming they are selfless indirectly, who may be actually perpetrating the funk as certain would say. Lets see who has been pulling legs, so to speak... Answer the following questions ONLY. Saying anything extra means you put your self up and beyond the simple instruction.
1. Who is important? Me or you?
2. Who do you respect? Me or yourself?
3. Who would you save from great trouble? Me or yourself?
4. You find 100 million in cash... Will you, with ego or selflessness, leave it there, or take it and keep it, or turn it in to the police?
Originally posted by Harman
Altruism on wikipedia
Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures, and central to many religious traditions. This idea was often described as the Golden rule of ethics. Altruism is the opposite of selfishness
And the point of discussion here is the following
According to psychological egoism, while people can exhibit altruistic behavior, they cannot have altruistic motivations. Psychological egoists would say that while they might very well spend their lives benefitting others with no material benefit (or a material net loss) to themselves, their most basic motive for doing so is always to further their own interests. For example, it would be alleged that the foundational motive behind a person acting this way is to advance their own psychological well-being ("good feelings").
Well, my point in this matter is that altruism does exist. Ofcourse people will get a good feeling about doing something for someone else but that is a side effect of the motives from a altruistic person. If something is done from a altruistic standpoint we have to take the feeling before the act into account and not only the feeling after. What i mean is that there are persons on this earth that act pseudo-altruistic i am not denying that but do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I think that people that are truely altruistic act on a gnawing feeling before doing something for someone else and that is the thing that drives them. You could say that the fact that anyone that acts to eleviate a bad feeling beforehand is the same as people going for the good feeling after the fact but i disagree on that one because almost every action we do concsiously is out of emotion and there are more than enough people out there that do not get any feeling of sympathy for another and do not have to act on it whereass a person that does get those feelings have a harder time ignoring them.
Originally posted by interestedalways
I agree with what Harman said.
All of us don't live simply through the brain and a pleasure reward system.
You are eliminating the HEART and the feeling of LOVE.
It is through intentions of the heart and the awareness of the suffering of another that allows one to give freely.
If that happens to feel good it is icing on the cake, but not necessarily the CAKE.