Obama to end BIG City gun violence, page 1


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reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 01:55 PM by sos37
reply to post by Douggie



Can you post a link to that external reference please? Thanks.



reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 01:58 PM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by sos37



Right on his own website:

origin.barackobama.com...-and-law-enforcement

Make AWB permanent. I hate him for that.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:11 PM by Douggie
reply to post by Douggie



I dont know. Im an avid gun owner. I have a pretty good collection. I dont live in a big city but do see Obamas plan as a commonsense way to curb the Big City violence.

Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them.

Just because they want to curb American violence doesnt mean they want to go house to house and grab your guns.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:24 PM by Contagion2012
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Considering the fact that most gun violence that happens in big cities is handgun related. Do you know how difficult it is to acquire an ACTUAL assault weapon. The ban he is trying to put forth is being placed on target and hunting weapons that just LOOK like military hardware. Mainly for nostalgia purposes. The guns criminals buy are the cheapest quality handguns you can find. They do not take care of them, or care about much in general. The only thing that will happen if they start banning guns is that crime rate in general will go up.

I support my 2nd amendment right, and I recently purchased an AR-15. NOTE: I wouldn't have bought it if they weren't threatening to take away my RIGHT to purchase it.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:26 PM by thisguyrighthere
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If you've collected some guns I assume a reasonable amount of time has passed since you were a naive child and are now an adult or at least close to being an adult. When the hell has banning anything ever made the problem less of a problem? Drugs? Prostitution? How exactly does making it harder, even impossible, for the average guy to get a gun for fun, sport or whatever reduce in any way the number of assclowns in the world that would shoot a kid for a pair of sneakers?

Then there's the "assault weapon" garbage. Ghetto trash idiots arent running around with AR-15's. They using crappy 4th, 5th, 6th hand pistols that have been stolen or lose years ago. Probably lost by or stolen from a sleeping cop or fed. The FBIs crime stats show all rifles to be involved in less than 3% of all homicides. Which means that the scary "assault" types are involved in even fewer. That 3% number trails handguns which amount to some 15% which trail bare hands and feet which amount to over 30%.

Have you read the text of the AWB? Tell me how keeping a bayonet lug or barrel shroud off the market makes me safer? Drive by bayonettings much?

It's knee-jerk ignorance that makes one look at "ban assault weapons" and jump up and down for joy.

If you search ATS you'll find thread after thread of this argument. Not that it will do any good. It usually doesnt. Fear and ignorance have a way of winning against logic and reason that still amazes me after all my years on this earth. Couple that with Obamas blind "messiah" support and reason doesnt have a chance.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:31 PM by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by Contagion2012
The only thing that will happen if they start banning guns is that crime rate in general will go up.


Kennesaw vs. Morton Grove

... I recently purchased an AR-15. NOTE: I wouldn't have bought it if they weren't threatening to take away my RIGHT to purchase it.


I've spent thousands the past few months because of this jackass Obama. I don't want to get stuck in another Clinton AWB scenario hoping to one day own what by right I damn well should be able to own.

Maybe if I spend enough on "assault weapons" the government will bail me out of the debt



reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:44 PM by Douggie
reply to post by E-ville



I see what youre saying. But America is totally different from any other country out there. Because of Immigration.
Without some sort of restriction in the US the gang bangers escpecially in SW US going up to Colorado will have a field day.
I read an article the other day about colorado that was sickening.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:45 PM by thisguyrighthere
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You know you neighbors probably have a gallon jug of bleach under the sink. You trust them not to poison your home water supply? You trust them with lighters? Matches? Not to drive their car through your living room?

There is no such thing as a "common-sense" gun law. "Common-sense" has become a cute term for "I'm afraid of life wont mommy please save me" type totalitarianism.

I'm tired of the semantic BS game played by the gun-grabbers and if you honestly think there is some difference between a Ruger Mini-30 carbine and the oh-so scary AK-47 besides the way it looks than I really feel for you and the ignorance you must be suffering under which allows you to buy into garbage like "common-sense" gun laws and be manipulated by the politicians who use your fear/ignorance to bolster their paychecks and power.

This little "how much of a right can we whittle away before they notice" crap is tired and I wont have any more of it.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:50 PM by E-ville
reply to post by Douggie



Ah so your saying that Switzerland doesn't get people from Italy or the uk coming into there country .. they probably have more immigration than we do.. however they don't have the crime from immigration because there heavly armed.. again the more armed you are the less problems you'll have , trust me if every citizen in the USA was armed and trained with automatic weapons immigrants would think twice about coming in and causing problems.


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:51 PM by Vault-D
reply to post by vapedson



I guess I'm arguing that, based on common sense, we don't need military-grade hardware in our homes. (I'm being sloppy on defining 'military hardware' i know.) That's a gun-control law I'm comfortable with.

Maybe some conspiracy folks will disagree, but I just don't see the President addressing the 5th Battalion and saying "OK, time to start seizing guns from everyone in Texas. Let's get to it." And I don't really see the slippery slope of common sense laws leading to the outlawing more and more guns, culminating in a total ban. We love guns in America.
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