EU to present "Blueprint for Worldwide Currency System" to US this weekend!

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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We are not afraid of everyone being unified, we are afraid of the fact that the government will decide what we all believe, what we all do, we are afraid of the government taking complete control of our lives under the guise of this "unity" that they claim to be for.

I know I'm quoting "Lord of the Rings", but I think it is a better representation of the point I'm trying to prove, just so you might understand it better:


Lord of the Rings
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.


Just replace the word "Ring" with the word "Government", I'm against worshiping the government or giving up my rights and beliefs just because the almighty government wants me to believe something else.

The fact is, all governments want the same thing, to control people, to have power and money, they will do anything to get that power and money, including lying to you, it's one of the easiest things to do.

From childhood, we are indoctrinated to believe that the government are the good guys and that all they want is to help you.

They want to control you and force you to believe and do what they want you to.

That is wrong.
That is evil.

I hope I presented my point well enough.

-Lahara




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by netwarrior
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Why should some person or group of person 7000 miles away decide how I should best live my life? That person was not raised the same way I was, they do not share my cultural values, and they probably do not share my religion!



You could apply that logic to your own country today mate, go take a look at the people who tell you how to live your life right now, and also at the people who effect those decisions. See, that's the problem with your logic.

Erase the borders, eliminate the notion of "countries", and everyone is the same. There won't be any french, canadian, american, british, chinese, kenyans, after a few decades.

There will just be humanity.

Stormtroopers? I don't plan to be one of the many who's too afraid to let go of my country for the good of the entire race, so i highly doubt the "stormtroopers" will care to be knocking on my door



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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im going to take the optimistic approach toward all this.




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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No, 'mate' there is no problem with my logic. With few exceptions, those that represent me (somewhat) are Americans, that were born Americans, raised Americans, and will die Americans.

For all of America's differences, our core values are very alike. Compare those values to the Chinese or the Indians or even Arabs?

How would you like your mother stoned to death because she said hello to a male acquaintance while she was at the supermarket...or even be stoned because she went to that supermarket alone?

It *does* happen.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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Given the rising number of cases of this happening in America, not to mention other countries such as Canada and Britain, your point is moot.

Frankly, i do not care what your nationality is. Stating it three times in the same sentence only solidifies the opinion that you are one of the hardened nationalists who would off themselves rather than live in a country without borders, rather than call themselves "human" as opposed to a moniker tied to invisible borders.

Ah well, enjoy America while it lasts. I'll keep waiting for the unification of the globe under the banner of the species rather than country, race, or religion. Dividing yourself by those categories only plays into the hands of the people you profess to so detest, by the way.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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You know what scares me a little bit more then a one world currency?

The amount of posts claiming that this will be the start of "the rapture" and "armageddon".




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:56 PM
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Absolutely. As to all the people that would seek to forcibly "reunite" me with the rest of humanity...I will take out as many of them as I can before I go. I fully intend to enter the afterlife with an escort. I do not want to join your vaunted global community. What's wrong with live and let live? Leave me in peace and I will leave you in peace. If I can ensure my freedom peacefully, I will, for that is superior to violence. However, just because I desire peace does not mean that I will be subjugated by force. I will fight for what my forefathers fought for.

Have you actually thought about what motives those that seek this global community have? It's not altruism and the good of humanity, I assure you. The answer is quite simple. Power. This wonderful one world community you speak of will only seek to consolidate power amongst a select few and will give you, as a citizen, absolutely no say in what goes on in your own life. You will be taken care of from cradle to grave. You will be told what to think, when to think it, what to do, and what choices you have permission to make.

That is not the life of a free and intelligent person. I truly pity you, for you have forgotten what it truly means to be human. The world you speak of is a world filled with unthinking sheep that seek only the most crude of sensation.

Just the mere fact that you feel the way you do speaks volumes about *your* nationality. Europeans have lived for so long under one tyrannical ruler or another that you have forgotten what it is like to think for yourselves!



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by darkbluesky
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First, you condemn the NWO because it portends Armageddon.

I point out Armageddon will result in all pure souls transcending to "Heaven"...whatever that is to each man and woman.

Then you latch on to the idea that the NWO elites wish to depopulate the world.

Perhaps...just perhaps, these NWO elites are actually God's army calling the "saved" home? Are you a beliver or aren't you?

PS: I am familiar with the Guidestones...other than the idea of a small global population, I see nothing objectionable about the principles they lay out. I dont even see anything objectionable about a limited global population in theory.






I'm going to heaven when I die, I don't need the NWO to send me there when they see fit. And not just Christians will die, WW 3 will kill 2+ Billion souls it says in Revelation. Then the famine and pestilence will kill another 2+ billion souls.

Men, women, and children. Rich, poor. I don't need the elites to go to heaven, I'm already bound there when i die.

Only a pathetic soul would want to usher in the NWO and the hell on Earth they are about to unleash as a premature ticket to the Kingdom of God. That's absurd.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by pudelko
"maintain world pop at 500,000,000"

Thats what scares me the most about all this. How will these people be chosen? who thought of this? Does anyone have any info on where these guidestones came from? Is it actually part of NWO or is it just some private persons monument?


One idea I had was that they were errected by the NWO secretely and eventually they will try to convince people that god left them as a rule book from god (10 commandments style).

Id really appreciate some more info on these stones if someone has any!


They are the Illuminati "10 Commandments", all part of their New Age religion.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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Okay, that's it, thread over.

We all know how the government never lies to us.

No chips, and I know, I know, you're gonna tell me that Rockefeller already stated the goal s to get everyone chipped, and I know, I know that the head of Visa in Europe said the goal is to have a cashless society within 5 years.

But this dude from the EU never said any of that, so we know the government never lies.

So, um yeah, no chips or NWO bad gunk.

Love, light and unicorns EVERYONE!!!!!!



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by D.E.M.
I have a question for all the naysayers on here.

Why are you all against a unified world government?

Do you dislike the thought of the elimination of war? The elimination of borders?

Do you hate the thought that everyone in the world would be on an even footing for the first time in history? That fewer would starve? That no person would ever suffer under brutal dictatorships or religious fanatics again?

Is the thought of a unified human race disgusting to you?

In closing, why would you prefer to perpetrate a world of nationalist stupidity that only leads to war and strife?

Not to mention the final dissolution of any threat of Nuclear Mass Destruction by countries opposing each other.

To me, a unified world government means a unified human race, where no secularism will be tolerated and every person is equal.

If you are so afraid of that, then you are the people that need to be fought tooth and nail, as you are no better than every Fascist that preceded you.





Your argument presupposes that "unity" can be force-fed. Your post is nothing but straw men arguments.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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I'll stop replying to you after this, as I have university in the morning and would much rather finish reading a book than banter any further.

I have given quite alot of thought to the topic. Certainly far more than you apparently have. Have you considered the astronomical logistics problems associated with some of the silly fears associated with a global community?

Enforced population levels? Stormtroopers? Et al? This is not a country the size of Germany we are discussing, this is 900 Billion+ square kilometers of varied terrain and water. A singular government is going to be too busy maintaining a healthy level of life across the globe and fighting people, like yourself, who oppose it out of pure fear and blindness.




This wonderful one world community you speak of will only seek to consolidate power amongst a select few and will give you, as a citizen, absolutely no say in what goes on in your own life. You will be taken care of from cradle to grave. You will be told what to think, when to think it, what to do, and what choices you have permission to make.


Yes, this does indeed show that you have a very good ability to sum up the governments of most countries in a concise fashion. Good job! A good grasp of language is a great skill to have. I'll simply point out how perfectly this description fits America, most of all.


I completely agree with you about live and let live, why can't everyone live in peace, etc. Sadly, this is a pipe dream as long as humanity is split into factions. Someone is always going to come along and try to kill you for being different. You yourself are promoting a lovely double standard by essentially saying "I will be peaceful as long as I am never asked to change for the greater good, then I will just shoot people rather than change."

With a global society, the opportunity to completely erase any defining attribute other than "Human" would finally be attainable, and within a few generations we would attain the same level of closeness around the globe that most tribes do. Aided, of course, by the elimination of the close minded people who refuse to become part of the whole. Resistance is great, mind you, but these people would be no better than the religious fundamentalists that you profess to dislike so much.

Ah, and you are a few thousand kilometers off in your estimation of my location. I am Canadian, born and raised. Again, you simply proved your terrible reliance on nationalism and fear by pointing the finger at those whom Americans traditionally perceive to be lower: Europeans.

Goodnight, good Sir. I would ask you to allow the topic to get back on track and take any further correspondence with me to the U2U arena.


[edit on 17-10-2008 by D.E.M.]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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THEIR goal is to limit the population. With wars, pestilence, and famine, and disease.

Proof?

Why have most of the world's governments been building underground cities?

Why would they need underground cities?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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A poor attempt at a retreat. The topic of a one-world government meshes quite well with a one-world currency, ergo, this thread has remained quite steady even after our conversation began. I will accept your surrender.

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Now..this truly worries me. As has been mentioned before, I feel that the "leaders" feel like their hand has been forced so they're going for it all at once. That checklist a few posts up was a good blueprint.


Make it into a sticker. I'll buy one.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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Ha, lol. Theres not chance in hell that the government is gunna get away with this without ALOT of rebellion. Ill most likely be one of those rebelling,



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by D.E.M.
Do you dislike the thought of the elimination of war? The elimination of borders?

Do you hate the thought that everyone in the world would be on an even footing for the first time in history? That fewer would starve? That no person would ever suffer under brutal dictatorships or religious fanatics again?

Is the thought of a unified human race disgusting to you?
[edit on 16-10-2008 by D.E.M.]

Of course I am all for peace and a unified human race, but this will not be brought about by government. It takes changing the way people think, not how they are governed, to unite people of different cultures and regions and such. Civil movements are much more effective in effecting that kind of progress. Government cannot and will never be able to mandate the unification of all of humanity.

Also, by the logic provided in the above quote, it would imply that there is nobody going hungry or living in unacceptable conditions in developed nations. It also implies that a democracy (assuming that is the way a one world government would be structured, ha) isn't just 51% of the people taking away the rights of the other 49%.


Originally posted by vox2442
Here's the proposal:

Brown's four-point plan envisages "a global early warning system" to prevent future financial crises from spreading, "globally accepted standards of supervision and regulation," effective "cross-border supervision" of the world's 30 largest multinationals and "cooperation and concerted action" during times of crisis.

Link.

NO one world currency.
NO one world government...

A new SYSTEM. An overhaul. Regulation. Treaties.

I would argue that Brown's four point proposal is a form of one world government. Let me explain my case...

Does the proposal not fit the description of a global central bank? It doesn't matter if all nations keep their respective currencies... if one group is controlling the monetary policy (interest rates, issuance, etc), it's like the different currencies just become different denominations of the same currency, because it's all being controlled by one authority. (Note that I understand, as someone mentioned before and as I pointed out earlier, I do believe there will obviously be nations that do not buy into the system. So, what I mean when I say global should probably read more like most developed nations. Some obvious exceptions come to mind, like many Middle Eastern countries, since they have religious based laws that forbid loaning money at interest.)

Anyway, with the idea of one main global monetary authority in mind, I offer these two well-known quotes... only substitute country/nation with world:

"He who controls the currency controls the country." -John Maynard Keynes
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws." -Amschel Mayer Rothschild

[edit on 2008/10/17 by evilod]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:17 AM
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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:41 AM
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This will NOT eventuate into a One World Govt or currency, for now ....

This is the same rubbish brainwash scenario they've used time and time again.

What we've just witnessed with this report is nothing more than spreading the word, the idea of a One World Currency.

Its like breaking in a horse.

You NEVER throw a saddle of a wild steed and jump on. It will buck and refuse to be ridden. You simply place a blanket on its back. Let it walk around for a while with it. After a while, you place a saddle on its back. Let it walk around for a while with it. Get use to it, start to feel comfortable with it on its back. over time, eventually you'll be able to ride the horse, because it is now Broken In!

This is all they are doing. There will be no One World Currency when you wake up tomorrow, next week or even next year. They are simply planting seeds, testing the waters, getting people familiar with the idea. Just like breaking in a horse.

Its the same technique they've been using for who knows how long. Its funny, but those who rush out and tell the world a One World Currency is coming, are actually doing them a favor. Thats the whole idea. Spread the word - let people see nothing terrible and drastic has happened, therefor it mustn't be so bad ....



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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Hey, thanks!!!! I'm gonna wear it proudly!!!


Star 4 u.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:07 AM
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You are so very right.


Originally posted by JasonT
No matter how much the "intelligent" folk amongst us say that this is a bad idea, intelligent people are far outnumbered by idiots on this world. No matter how hard you try, most will welcome such a system with open arms, believing the media and their leaders when they say that it is a "good thing".

No matter how much you protest, no matter how much you resist, the idiots always prevail, thinking that anyone who views the world other than in their narrow-minded, straightforward, stupid way, is a "crackpot", someone who needs to go "get a life".

Not if, but when there is a one world government with future generations having been sold out to the evil that is the NWO, these idiots will be to blame. I'll die happy knowing I tried to resist by spreading what I've learnt about the NWO. Even if I couldn't stop it, I'll die happy knowing I tried. You can't ask for much more.

It's incredible how stupid Humanity is.

Best thing you can do is inform as many people as you can. You may not be able to stop the inevitable, but you can sure try to adapt and resist as much as you can to it when it comes.

[edit on 16-10-2008 by JasonT]


Words from the wise. It is nothing new to suggest that the majority rule. Fact: The majority of people are stupid, because they are ignorant and often settle for less than they deserve, again, because they are ignorant. Given that fact, it's easy to see why the masses are indeed sheep, and anyone who is familiar with thinking for themselves is labeled as a "cook."

Anyone who supports the NWO is a fool. If I'm breaking the T&C by saying so, so be it. People fail to realize who come into power with the New World Order. You think it's going to be new people? It's going to be the same people we have now, and their families; their kids, grand children, nieces, uncles, etc. That being said, take a good hard look at the people who control things currently. They are criminals in business suits. They have committed some of the most heinous acts against human beings. And you think having these people run the world is a good thing? What are you? Psychotic?

Would you let a selfish, mean, vile and powerful man dictate your household? I doubt that you would, but you feel comfortable having such people dictate your lives? That makes no sense, does it? Yes...it makes no sense. So, calling people who actually want this fools seems fitting, doesn't it?
Because, it is foolish to actually want these people in such high places.

A NWO will be great, granted the people who are behind it value and put forth the rights and happiness of the people they serve first. A NWO will be great, granted the people who are behind it operate with the utmost transparency and honesty. Yes, it would be great, granted that was the case...but it is not. This world has no place for idealism, unless it makes that idealistic view a reality. If that is not the case, do not enjoy what only your mind can conceive, but enjoy what is and destroy all that threatens the pure & idealistic thoughts your mind can conceive. And right now, your greatest threat are these people who propose to you their New World Order.





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