Native Americans were the first to throw the punch.

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posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 09:06 PM
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I can't remember who it was that first mentione here that indians and vikings had quarrels...I refuted it from the evidence he gave but apparently it is true, though not all of his claims were


Vikings did settle as far south as New York and here is where the Native Americans made their first move, which was by far unwarrented.

The Vikings that settled there from the New Foundland colony, were few and had no weapons with them, meaning that when the hostilities began they could only fashion weapons of wood and stone and promptly fled.

The Vikings came in peace and as they had been trading with the inuits in Greenland so they started trading with the Indians in the New York region, right where New York City is today.

There was a problem however, Indians there were lactose intollerant, and when they traded for milk they promptly got sick.

But rather than acting like civilized people and questioning the quality of the Viking's goods, they decided they'd just kill all the vikings instead.

They obviously failed though, since much of this settlement got away to later recount the tales in the Sagas, but as it says in the saga, "We left because we knew we could never live there in peace, and without fear of attack."

It doesn't sound like the Native American peoples in the New England area were very receptive of guests ever...for 600 years later Europeans would again come across the sea, and recieve the same treatment.

Only this time, instead of leaving permanently, they returned with Guns, guess the indians bit off more than they could chew that time.

Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 09:17 PM
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Why is this a conspiracy-related topic?



posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 09:22 PM
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It's informational, and it's "parent" thread was too muddled with back and forth bickering, so I reposted it as a new thread, It should probably be in "information//resources" forum though...now looking at it


www.mnh.si.edu...

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[Edited on 16-1-2003 by FreeMason]



posted on Jan, 15 2003 @ 11:02 PM
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Obviously bob you can't read...the indians DID show first signs of aggression, not the Europeans...albiet there's a big difference between vikings and spaniards


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posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 04:57 AM
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So what if they threw the first punch. It's commonly known that the Native Americans were a cruel People. That doesn't mean we could slaughter them and take their land!

All the culture and knowledge we killed
such a piety


But I'm sure if I'd talk to much about us, withe people, having slaughtered the native Americans you'd all yell "stop living in the past" so I really wonder why you've posted this...?



posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 12:14 PM
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FM, how do you know about this, these things happend years before any records were made in the new world. Are you psychic, channeling somenone or getting past life memories?

XAOS



posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 12:29 PM
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Xaos,

Archeology...
It's on the site he posted, but I haven't read much of it yet...

Freemason:"It's informational, and it's "parent" thread was too muddled with back and forth bickering,"

Who started the bickering???

Btw... Still no comment on my last post in that topic... (It is not proven that the Ainu were caucasian).



posted on Jan, 16 2003 @ 02:29 PM
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FM, how 'bout we stick to conspiracy-related-informational posts?

Muddled and bickering so you start another thread???

I am sure there are all sorts of forums to discuss Native Americans.



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 04:31 AM
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Not surprised to see FreeMason spit some # that's pro-white or jew, and anti-original/indigenous man.


ONE



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 04:53 AM
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This thread has possibilities, if William will allow it I would like to take it over. It strikes home in me as it reflects both my Ancestors. Although I am only a fraction Ojibiwa, I still know my heritage.

And to speak for the Natives, who could blame them for being hostile. Look what happened, lost all the land, got herded into "Preserves..I mean *Reserves* and have never once been recognized as having a Official Political voice. I have read many recordings of many people, and always found this to be of interest.

But I will put it on another thread to make it in its place.



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 05:12 AM
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Doesn't your avatar and patriotic attitude kinda show disrespect for the original man of the America's? The wars that AmeriKKKa wages are still hurting the original man all over the world.

I mean saying that your not proud or ashamed of America is one thing; but to be proud of it seems to indicate that you don't care too much, about the people who lost their land and RESPECTED IT.

The Constitution has some lofty ideals; but I doubt that they were ever meant to be fully followed. Black people were only considered to be a fraction of a man in the Constitution and the Indigenous people of this continent weren't even considered people at all.


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posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by BuddhaCession
The wars that AmeriKKKa wages are still hurting the original man all over the world.


Where did you get that $H!T?!

Are you saying the USA is based on the Fu-ckin Klu Klux Klan? I don't give a rats @$$ about racial BS! I could not care less, I am the most color blind mofo you will know. to a point of ignorence sometimes, because I see it as a sissies excuse.

Indigenous people of this continent weren't even considered people at all.

Thats what I just said, quote: "And to speak for the Natives, who could blame them for being hostile. Look what happened, lost all the land, got herded into "Preserves..I mean *Reserves* and have never once been recognized as having a Official Political voice. "



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 05:27 AM
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FreeMason stated: "Vikings did settle as far south as New York..."

Apparently they may have gotten just a little bit further than that.

There are four "ruin stone markers" in Oklahoma. (You can investigate them by starting with the "Heavener stone".) These large stones have ruinic inscriptions on them believed to be land boundary markers used by the Vikings who came up (or down) the Mississippi and then navigated the Arkansas River.



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 05:37 AM
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ADVISOR said:

"Where did you get that $H!T?! "

I say:

The world of today seems to be global caste system, where the darker peoples are subject to "third-world" living conditions and the only ones who get a significant piece of the pie; are the countries(mostly European and light skinned Asians) that are willing to take on an aggressive role in the rat race called globalism.
The United Snakes military and business efforts are contributing to this global caste system.
If you look at the individual countries, it seems that the leaders are almost always more light skinned than the common folk.


Peace



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by BuddhaCession
...darker peoples...


Just say Black.


If you look at the individual countries, it seems that the leaders are almost always more light skinned than the common folk.


If you havn't noticed not every country is apart of Africa. You're correct though, that most leaders are not black, as they are of the same race as the country they represent or rule.
What are you getting at, this has nothing to do with indians or vikeings. If you wish we can discuss this further on a new thread.


The United Snakes military and business efforts are contributing to this global caste system.

Please don't drag the Armed Forces into this, they did nothing to the caste system. That is political, and they abused the power. As have many World Leaders, or do you honestly think every German enjoyed what they did?



Peace

Out



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 06:24 AM
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from this thread. I don't know where you get your history?? What books have you read about this? Do you read books or get all your info from websites?

Since I'm finding it hard to post how wrong you are with less then a page of info, I'll refer you to some GREAT history books(Go get a library card, do some research, and get back to me)

BOOKS~
#1)Indians of The United States by.Clark Wissler(copyright 1940)

#2)The Smithsonian Book Of North Amer. Indians by. Philip Kopper(copyright 1986)

#3)Seeds Of Extinction-Jeffersonian Philanthropy and The American Indian by. Bernard W. Sheehan


Lastly just SO YOU know how the NA were treated~
#4) Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee by. Dee Brown(Infact I suggest highly that you read this one first)

I have many more in my personal library, but I think these will do for now..
I do hope you read them or research them. Because you are seriously misguided...
Magestica



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 08:00 AM
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"If you wish we can discuss this further on a new thread."

Fair enough. Another thread, another time...



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posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 08:12 AM
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Once again the neo Nazi Freemason is talking out of his poop chute. Vikings without weapons. Are you having a fuc*ing laugh. How can you go raping and pillaging without weapons. Were they on a cruise? Jeezy creezy.
www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 11:36 AM
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Uhmm, I am Black/German/Cherokee/Dutch and I don't wanna live anywhere else.................go Advisor!


It does seem FM has to promote his euro-centric idea on a constant basis. He is superior.....



posted on Jun, 5 2003 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by William
Why is this a conspiracy-related topic?


simply because the indians introduced the white man to the peace pipe under the false pretense that the smoke would carry our dreams up to the 'Great Spirit in The Sky'
in reality they had full knowledge it caused cancer and they initiated the first great conspiracy in north america
life is a conspiracy

tut tut





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