Why are people anti-Obama on ATS?

I notice a lot of people here are anti-Obama. Perhaps they bought into the Obama is a socialist or that Obama is a terrorist propaganda which just isn't true... or maybe they've heard other things about him.

What is the cause for this hate of Obama? Even when Bush was President, I think, that, people didn't show this much hate for him, at least, as far as we Democrats were concerned, we may have said he caused terrorism, but we never said that he was a full-fledged terrorist, had terrorist ties, or, that he was a Muslim when he was running for President.

Why all this hate for Obama?

I don't think there's anymore Obama hate than there is McCain hate. I can say that it may seem that way, and it has a lot to do with his ethnic background and the like most likely. I personally don't support either candidate, but I don't get why people always get paranoid about them either.

Still, as said...if you dig enough, you'll find that both candidate has had the stuffing kicked out of them here on ATS. Not one over the other.

I don't hate Obama at all. I just don't like his fiscal policies, and I don't believe he has enough expererience to be president. His background is that of a far left liberal socialist. He has been voted the most liberal Senator in the senate.
His ethnicity has nothing to do with the way I feel. I looked at the issues, thought long and hard about where he and Mcain stood, and decided to vote for McCain. In the interest of full disclosure, I will say that I have only voted for a democrat one time. I voted for Bill Clinton when he ran for govenor the first time. I vowed I would never make that mistake again. (And the one I really wanted was either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee.)

Originally posted by Shugo
I don't think there's anymore Obama hate than there is McCain hate. I can say that it may seem that way, and it has a lot to do with his ethnic background and the like most likely. I personally don't support either candidate, but I don't get why people always get paranoid about them either.

Still, as said...if you dig enough, you'll find that both candidate has had the stuffing kicked out of them here on ATS. Not one over the other.

Your right I find my self at times having to defend both candidates from false stories. The one thing I will say is Obama is harder to defend in the respect that there is very little public record to go on so I think those attacks tend to go on longer. I personally would like to throw both out and start over but I guess im running out of time. The oddest thing is I thought I had both the candidates placed pretty well but know im thinking McCain is better on economy and Obama would be better on foreign policy. Just opposite of about 2 months ago.

reply to post by Frankidealist35

Why all this hate for Obama?

Where do I begin??

He supports the Bail-out.

He supports the FED.

He like Clinton supports NAFTA.

Wants to provide amnesty for illegals.

Is member of CFR. (Who advocate U.S. meddling around the world)

He's a Lawyer (Lawyers are the least productive members in our society, right after common criminals.)

He supports our Welfare State.

He supports our Warfare State.

Would support or defend Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory.

Would go to WAR at the request of Israel.

Has no problems threatening Russia with War.

Threatens Pakistan with war.

Believes in welfare for corporations. (Bio-fuel industry, Medical, and Banking Industries)

Believes in raising taxes. (Taxes are not good regardless of whether you tax the rich or the poor)

Would you like me to continue?

P.S. Mcain is exactly like Obama, except he's no Lawyer instead he's dropped BOMBS on people for a living. Both men are the lowest of the lows.



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Considering Obama is consistently up in the polls, I would imagine there is probably a little more pro-Obama then anti-Obama on ATS. From what I have personally observed it seems like a pretty even divide actually.

I think the real question is, considering the nature of this site, why isn't there more pro-Ron Paul?

It's nothing personal

I'm 'anti' all of them

They're corrupt and compromised to the bone by the time they get to the point Obama and McCain are at

They'd sell their eyes, their first born

they're in hock in every imaginable way: financially, financially and most of all, ethically, spiritually.

So they're bankrupt .. morally bankrupt talking heads . . monsters .. diabolical

Absolutely disgusting that out of 300 million people, that's the best the US can throw up as future national leaders

But again .. nothing personal .. it's the same in politics in every nation

Excreta rises to the top

It stinks

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Considering Obama is consistently up in the polls, I would imagine there is probably a little more pro-Obama then anti-Obama on ATS. From what I have personally observed it seems like a pretty even divide actually.

I think the real question is, considering the nature of this site, why isn't there more pro-Ron Paul?

Uh, maybe because the chicken $h*t dropped out and isn't actually running but yet has the gaul to tell us what to do?! Sorry... I'm still bitter.

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Obama makes me sick ...hereis why..

Ugh ..

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Wow...Chris Matthews....eh.....What the ?!?!?! was that? I thought he was going to announce his engagement to Obama before the end of the clip.

Our unbiased media at it's best!

Why are questions about Obama automatically categorized as "hate" or "racism" or "stupidity" by so many on ATS?

From most people here, it isn't hate; it is questions about the man's issues and ideas and character.

Neither of the candidates are angels or saints, and neither are devils or demons. But, questioning someone should not be equated with hate or stupidity or racism.

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Originally posted by SGSPatriot
Obama makes me sick ...hereis why..

Ugh ..

Priceless

Actually, I still don't get it, however I am not easily led, usually if everyobne says run this way, I run the opposite direction.

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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by SGSPatriot
Obama makes me sick ...hereis why..

Ugh ..

Priceless

Actually, I still don't get it, however I am not easily led, usually if everyobne says run this way, I run the opposite direction.

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I watched that for a laugh and it's an odd campaign add to me (I'm foreign), there was no policy in there at all. I wonder if the media is owned by the right like ours, but do democrats get media support all the time? His crime seems to be that people like him. This is a bit irrelevant, but my point following that campaign ad, is that if you aren't going to debate policy between two candidates, then you just have to slag each other off, or the old illusion of democracy creeps in. I don't normally comment on your Decision 2008, but I suspect Obama gets it worse because of his middle name. Clearly his parents didn't have the foresight to realise that he was going to be in the running for President......

Originally posted by sos37

Uh, maybe because the chicken $h*t dropped out and isn't actually running but yet has the gaul to tell us what to do?! Sorry... I'm still bitter.

He had zero chance of winning. You can view him dropping out as being scared but I don't. Hell, who's to say he didn't run initially to get messages out, and not with the actual aim to become the President? Hmm?

And there is a difference between a 'command' and 'advice'

Obama IS a terrorist. He terrorizes my children everytime they hear him talk, especially when he talks about taxes!

My 10 year old daughter was doing long division word problems in school today .... If 12 plates of fine china cost $1,295.45 how much would Bessie have to pay to buy 1 plate? ... this brought Obama to my daughters mind and she stopped the teacher telling her that she has HAD IT with Obama and that McCain has to do something!! Obama is making fine china unaffordable because he's going to take all of our money to pay for more government!

Evidently this caused a major distraction and heated debate and at some point my daughter was excused from class to go spend some time with the Principal who sent her home with a discipline report.

Most people on ATS are just as in love with Obama as the media is so maybe it's just the posts where people are pointing out Obama's faults catch your eye and make you feel as if there are a lot of anti-Obama people out there.

Jemison

I think both of the candidates are good targets, and I mean that in the sense of political attacks and satire. I have read threads here where people are standing up for Senator Obama, and out of the other side of their mouth comes a smear on Senator McCain. The opposite has been true as well. I think there's a sort of socialization at ATS that Senator Obama is the anti-Bush, and that's good enough. I think that Senator Obama himself has gotten a good bit of mileage out of promoting the idea that McCain and Bush were seperated at birth.

Seems to me that a lot of the seriously misleading threads come from new members. I don't know that it's a disinfo campaign so much ...... I wonder sometimes if it isn't older members that fire up a new screen name to say things in the rugged way they really want to. People tend to express themselves in metered patterns. I haven't seen enough to make an accusation, just enough to think hmmmmmmmmmm.... to myself... hmmmmm, that sounds familiar.

Senator Obama is dynamic, and he's new and I think he leans heavily upon his personnae and charisma. I've tried to be impartial when watching the debates. I'd really rather not be voting for either of them.

I started a [failed] thread a couple of weeks ago. It was about Senator Obama, and him saying how one of the meetings one of his directors held had been a mistake, as it was a meeting with a Muslim group, and a person showed up at the meeting who was suspected of having terrorist ties and/or sympathies. I posted that story and called it a pre-emptive strike, in that I didn't want someone here to pick up the story -- what I considered a nonstory -- and run with it, making it to be more than it was. It was a failed thread, and I'm glad. Senator Obama did the right thing in that instance, and was almost blindsided by a circumstance which he was not aware of. I think a lot of that happens with all political candidates, and I wonder how much of it really IS coincidence.

hmm well I am not sure that ATS is anti obama...I try to avoid the USA Presidential circus...oops meant election!

I did however watch last night the final debate between the two candidates... I wasn't that impressed with Obama's response to Palin's comment on 'pallin around with terrorists'

William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago now who was one of the founders of the Weather Underground in the 1960s, a group that took credit for protest bombings during the Vietnam War including blasts at the Pentagon and Capitol.
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I turned off the tv wanting to know:

What was the extent of the relationship between Obama and Ayers?

Obama's response was not good enough in the final round...it was imo a very weak response. Perhaps it is an attempt to smear or discredit Obama as we see below:

Please see our reaction, below, to the desperate and false attacks made by Governor Palin in Colorado earlier today in an attempt, as her own campaign admits, to avoid talking about the economic challenges facing American families:

“Governor Palin's comments, while offensive, are not surprising, given the McCain campaign's statement this morning that they would be launching Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation's economic ills. In fact, the very newspaper story Governor Palin cited in hurling her shameless attack made clear that Senator Obama is not close to Bill Ayers, much less ‘pals,' and that he has strongly condemned the despicable acts Ayers committed 40 years ago, when Obama was eight.
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Obama's response:

"Mr. Ayers is not involved in this campaign, he has never been involved in my campaign, and he will not advise me in the White House," Obama said.
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I was left to

McCain's campaign has charged that Obama's association with Ayers should cause voters to question his judgment.
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I am not even in the USA but I thought the response was very weird, especially 'Ayers will not advise me in the Whitehouse'..






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reply to post by Frankidealist35

Even when Bush was President, I think, that, people didn't show this much hate for him, at least, as far as we Democrats were concerned, we may have said he caused terrorism, but we never said that he was a full-fledged terrorist, had terrorist ties, or, that he was a Muslim when he was running for President.

I guess you never watched Keith Olbermann then. In fact, Olbermann, who is on the 24-hour Obama channel, all Obama, all the time, and his sidekick Chris Matthews, show PURE hatred for all Republicans 24 hours a day, and show plenty of Dems and Liberals who do the same.

But to answer your question- Why do people not like Obama?
Gee, other than the fact that he has never given specific details of any of his programs, or when he does, he changes them every day, or his association with terrorists(no one I know said he was a terrorist) showing poor choice of friends, or Tony Resko and the house and property that Obama got for a steal, or the fact that he refused to repudiate the trash(on the debate last night when asked by McCain to do so) directed at Sarah Palin and John McCain, or the fact that he lies a lot(like saying that 95% of Americans will get a tax cut, which has been proven by real facts to be a lie), or that he wants to take money from taxpayers and give it to people WHO PAY NO TAX, or that he voted to cut off aid to our troops while they were getting shot at, or that he's never authored a bill in the Senate, or made many votes for that matter, or the fact that he voted "present" so many times in Illinois that people thought he was still in grade school, other than that, GEE, I don't know why people don't like him.
By the way, I'm not too thrilled with McCain either. Great choice, we have.
My vote goes to Ron Paul, at least he saw this mess coming, and tried to do something. Too bad no one would listen to him!

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I am not even in the USA but I thought the response was very weird, especially 'Ayers will not advise me in the Whitehouse'..

I believe him. I think Tony Resko has the job of his primary adviser. I see a presidential pardon in the works for Tony.

I just got off a thread that was very pro-Obama.

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