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Topic started on 15-10-2008 @ 06:41 PM by karl 12
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NEW YORK INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL.
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"This documentary reveals Canada's darkest secret - the deliberate extermination of indigenous (Native American) peoples and the theft of their
land under the guise of religion."
You do need a strong stomach for this one but it clearly shows the brutal supression and murder of young Native Americans under the delusional guise
of religious bigotry and ignorance.
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 06:48 PM by PuRe EnErGy
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You know, I'm from Canada... and I find it somewhat disturbing that everyone thinks that the United States is somehow the most evil place on earth,
.. Canada is sooo compliant with it's craptacular slavery that we just voted in the same monster (Harper), whoa I'm having deja vue didn't the
Americans elect Bush twice? ....
anyway, about this documentary; I am about to watch it. I'll report back on that later.
But I thought that it should be known, that I believe the real conspiracies lay within Canada, didn't the States try and fight us at one point? ..
sure it was a long time ago, and I imagine I "don't know the story" but we already have "gun control" and such horrible things that the Americans
would get really suspicious whereas the Canadians just go..... "Eh?" ... Ugh..
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 07:04 PM by whiskeyswiller
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First of all they're not Native Americans, this is Canada.
Every colonial power mistreated the native cultures and exterminated them because in a war that's what people do. Great cultures have come and gone
throughout history and when they've vanished, very seldom has it been pretty.
Canada has done it's best to take care of the remaining native people but at some point they have to take responsibility for themselves because
despite the money they get from the government a lot of them live in sub poverty levels without access to even clean drinking water.
It's partially a failure of our government but it's also a failure of native leadership.
That's history, very little of it is pretty.
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 07:19 PM by Mozzy
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Originally posted by whiskeyswiller
reply to post by karl 12
First of all they're not Native Americans, this is Canada.
Every colonial power mistreated the native cultures and exterminated them because in a war that's what people do.
That is one lame excuse. How do you knwo what EVERY colonial power has done? And that is NOT how people act in war. That is what people are told to do
in war. NO ONE would exterminate thousands/millions of people w/o being bred into killers by their society/govt. Watch some tv specials about
aboriginal tribes and see what their definition of war is.
You'll see 5-10 people standing on a hill with a spear or two standing 20 ft apart because they don't want to get hurt. One with a poisened bow will
take a shot and maybe get lucky. That's how people act. We have to be taught to be cold blooded murdering sedicious bastards!
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 07:31 PM by mystiq
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With the exception being that they still have ownership and title to as much land as they have legally won, and many have due to necessity joined our
commercialism and free enterprise society. But this is not what those familiar with first nation people's fierce independent stance is. Its a
little more akin to: we will never surrender. This is our land, and your ways are foreign and are destroying the earth and we will wait for you to
self destruct. What we need to do in truth is look closely at all that is held near and dear to this very special race that never once polluted the
earth and lived within natural moneyless resource societies on their own for over 10,000 years, and learn to see with different eyes.
One thing they do indicate is that if we wish to not participate, we must also find a way, to step out of the system. I have the greatest respect for
these beautiful people.
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 07:43 PM by AccessDenied
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Here in Canada, they are called First Nations people, or Anishnaabe.
"Nish" for short.
There is a flip side to the coin.
While there are some stuck on reserves that live in poverty, there are many that live the high life.
I live in a city with many natives, and a reserve on the border.
This is what I see.
Natives that come off the reserve, to go to college or university, completely government paid for, as well as housing and living expenses, paid
for.
They come in new vehicles, buy new furniture, and dress in the latest fashions.
Their children have all the most expensive toys.
They walk into any store, and pay no tax on anything.
They stay here till their courses are done, then go back to the reserve either well educated enough for a good job, or back to the home built for them
by the band council, no charge, with monies earned from the Native run Casino just south of me.
The reserve on the edge of town, gets all the business from selling cigarettes cheaper than anywhere else.
Where they mistreated years ago?
Yes..I believe so.
Now...not at all.
As for religion, I have seen very few keep up with the "OLD WAYS" unless there is a special occasion or a POW WOW.
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 08:10 PM by juniperberry
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As for the land claims, they can't even decide amongst themselves who owns what land. Well over 110% of the land is either in dispute or has been in
dispute over the years.
They've been fighting over this land for centuries amongst themselves.
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reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 01:24 PM by karl 12
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Appreciate the reply,hope you find the film as interesting (and truly disturbing) as I did.
It appears some other members who have posted replies to this thread have not even bothered to view the film so here is a brief synopsis:
Between 1820 and 1969 government sponsered United Catholic Church boarding schools educated 'savage' Indian and Eskimo children into
Christianity.
10 months of the year the native children were taken away from their families and culture.
Severely punished if caught speaking their own indigenous language,never allowed to laugh,to read,to hug or talk of their Native heritage,deeply
scarring them for life.
Now revealed,pedophilia rings,torture,sterilisation and experiments at the hands of the nuns and priests.
Designed for genocide,the schools had a 50% death rate.
Armed with bible verses,the church also mass murdered indians who refused to convert and stole their land."
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reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 04:50 PM by karl 12
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
Where they mistreated years ago?
Yes..I believe so.
Now...not at all.
As for religion, I have seen very few keep up with the "OLD WAYS" unless there is a special occasion or a POW WOW.
AD You make some fair enough points but the documentary is not about their religion-it is about the brutal,sadistic,bigotted treatment they received
from another one.
The film is well worth a watch although it is quite sickening to think that this was government sponsered project and culpability for these crimes has
never been addressed.
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 04:57 PM by AccessDenied
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Originally posted by karl 12
Originally posted by AccessDenied
Where they mistreated years ago?
Yes..I believe so.
Now...not at all.
As for religion, I have seen very few keep up with the "OLD WAYS" unless there is a special occasion or a POW WOW.
AD You make some fair enough points but the documentary is not about their religion-it is about the brutal,sadistic,bigotted treatment they received
from another one.
The film is well worth a watch although it is quite sickening to think that this was government sponsered project and culpability for these crimes has
never been addressed.
I totally agree with you, however, even the knowledge of what when on in those times has not stopped a good majority of first nations from adopting
and practicing that religion now.
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 05:36 PM by karl 12
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
I totally agree with you, however, even the knowledge of what when on in those times has not stopped a good majority of first nations from adopting
and practicing that religion now.
AD Thanks for that reply-well the only message I can glean from that fact is that organised religious indoctrination,brainwashing and conditioning
coupled with brutal violence and repression ....actualy does work.
Not a nice thought.
I think this film will stay with me for a long time.
Cheers Karl
P.S. Like the politically correct dictionary thread.
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 06:20 PM by okimas
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Thank you Karl for the documentary.
I never watched the video yet,
I already know of this atrocity that was done
to our people, My moshum (grandfather) recently
received his reparation from having to
go to a Residential school, he is not satisfied
from just getting money. You can't just throw money
at the problem and expect it to be fixed.
The reason why some of our reserves are still in sub standard
ways of living is because the people are still healing from the
torture there were put through from the fathers and nuns.
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 06:28 PM by karl 12
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Okimas Thanks for the reply,I suspect when you do watch it ,due to your heritage,you will be more angrier,sickened and disgusted than I was but the
documentary film is essential viewing.
You are right that throwing money at the issue does not conclude it.
A public acknowledgement that these terrible acts actualy occurred by the government/religious institutions involved and a sincere,genuine
understanding that these outrages will never occur again seems to be the most productive path.
Cheers Karl
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 08:46 PM by Duzey
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I haven't watched the documentary yet either, but the First Nations people got royally screwed over by the government of Canada.
What many Canadians don't realize is that there were still a few residential schools around in the 80's and 90's. Some of these people suing the
government because of the sexual abuse they suffered are my age.
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reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 10:09 PM by okimas
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Yes thank god there closed now.
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reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 11:46 AM by karl 12
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Originally posted by Duzey
I haven't watched the documentary yet either, but the First Nations people got royally screwed over by the government of Canada.
What many Canadians don't realize is that there were still a few residential schools around in the 80's and 90's. Some of these people suing the
government because of the sexual abuse they suffered are my age.
Thats almost inconceivable that these abuses could still have been occuring right up until recent times - all these types of schools should be closed
to ensure this never happens again.
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reply posted on 6-12-2008 @ 01:51 PM by ConspiracyNut23
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Thank you so much for posting this video. I had heard of the small pox ridden blankets, but this goes much beyond.
A very important video that I hope more Canadians will take the time to watch.
"Kevin is more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than many who have received it in the past."
Dr. Noam Chomsky
www.hiddenfromhistory.org...
S&F
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reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 02:48 PM by karl 12
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CN -thanks for the reply and the comprehensive link.
The Irene Favel testimony is beyond horrific.
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reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 02:57 PM by tothetenthpower
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Aren't we good at hiding skeletons in our closet?
First the Natives and then there was the Chinese. Strange how people call us Peace Keepers eh?
In any case, being a Canadian who grew up in a largely Native community, they have a deep rooted cultural pain in regards to what happpened to their
people.
Sure the government has been somewhat linient in giving them back what they have lost, but nothing can ever truly repair such a trauma. It's akin to
the Holocaust in that way.
It's really sad to think that we, a relatively young nation by any standard were so brutal in our take over/building of this great nation.
S&F for the info friend, keep'em coming.
~Keeper
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reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 02:58 PM by Rhain
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Canada has let its First Nation population down I so agree. It has dragged its feet in righting the wrongs of narrow minded people who on their own
religious beliefs thought the Anishnawbe needed to be re educated.
My brother is Cree and his father has received his gov`t settlement. It does not remove the memories though.
Again religion fails.
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