It's Official: Zeitgeist, Peter Joeseph, is out in left field....., page 9
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reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 02:33 AM by TruthTellist
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy




What do you intend you use for commerce?

Credits?

None of the ZeitGeist followers have been able to explain how their Fantasyland system will manage to function.

*They just say "You don't get it, everything will free. You've been conditioned to think you need money"

Of course, they don't offer a replacement for commerce, they just repeat
"You don't get it... Everything will be free. You have been conditioned..."
It is sad to see such effective, REAL conditioning right here on ATS.

Something you should know by now;

Money has 3 main uses. First and most important it is a medium of exchange. Second it serves as a unit of account. Third use of money is as a store of wealth.

When it is printed illegally by an Unconstitutional system, money becomes fiat currency.

Fiat currency (not money) can be manipulated to the advantage of those who spend it first after it is printed.

Communism, Socialism has all been tried before. even they had to resort to a common currency in order to maintain commerce and allow their people to survive - even though shelter and food were free; the shelter was overcrowded and the food was not ever enough.

There was an old saying from the Soviet Union: "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us"

It has been tried before. It never Works.

*Have you read the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights?

*Have you read the American Declaration of Independence?


[edit on 23-10-2008 by TruthTellist]



reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 04:10 AM by TruthTellist
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


I have had you on ignore for several weeks, but took you off the list tonight, only to discover you were still replying to my posts. I sent you notice, twice.

Targetting members who cannot post rebuttals because they cannot see your posts is effective strategy, but it is dishonourable...

*don't reply to this.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by TruthTellist]


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 07:39 AM by Unknown Perpetrator
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Originally posted by TruthTellist

What do you intend you use for commerce?

Credits?


Currency?

Thought I was clear with my earlier answer?

The things we build and the things we trade for. That's the currency. The items themselves. Think of it as a barter system if you will, although I don't think that's a fair assessment.

Look before I spend more time with answers, and I am more then willing to do so, I am wondering if you are interested to begin with?

I am open and willing to entertain all the political philosophies in pursuit of a better societal structure, but you have made it pretty clear in this thread and in others that you feel anything resembling socialism, and communism, etc, is a waste of time to even ponder. You talk like they are the devil. Some of these principles are in fact socialistic, not all, but many. So am I just walking into a discussion where you scoff?

Also, I am not a follower.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]


There's no getting through to some 'amercuns' Every system devised as governance
on earth is open to abuse and tyrrany. The USA is no different. Nazism, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin... these are but the shock and awe examples of 'failure' But I'm sure if you notch up the US bodycount since 45 in CIA led coups and porxy wars, assassinations etc
(not counting tghe firebombing of Dresden and Nuking 100K Japanese civilians) you'll see that the US has killed more people than the Cambodians have managed themselves.

Don't be fooled by the pace of subversion, slaughter and oppression.... just because the US as a political system moves slower than your historical 'holocausts' the revisionists feed to us in the indocrination camps called shools and universities doesn't mean it's any less malevolent than the star spangled blinded would have you believe.

George Orwell (an adrent socialist/communist) wrote a book called Animal Farm and I suggest you read it. Peter Jacksons suggestions sound good on paper but who'll gets the casting votes ? Will the breadmakers have the same say as the MAGLEV scientists and the Fusion inventors within. Of course they're not. It's more of the same elite...scientists wanting to take the place of the bankers and money men as despots

People are and will be inherently greedy / lazy even within the Zeitgeist.

Utopia, it's but a pipedream.... we'll always be living within a world of skullduggery to certain degrees and those degrees have no moral high ground however hard Americans scream and kick about it.

Yep, Communism was flawed but so is a system where you are sold a dream that hard work and belief in freedom means 300 million people can no longer work, live in 10 million dollar homes and drive Lambourghinis...... sounds worse than the craziest religion or pyramid scheme I've heard of but there's a nation of rabid bigots that believe it and are willing to die for it. (quick question.... who's going to clean these 300 million plus swimming pools behind the american dream??? The Chinese ??)

May of the examples of failure that US citizens hold up as proof their 'system' is better
than what's went before has actually been destroyed through economic and subversive
actions by their government and shadow factions so who the hell really knows what works on a level playing field ??

I just sit back and watch those trying to play/change/buck the system behind the smoke and mirrors. Like maggots crawling over each other to get to a rotten carcass.


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 04:27 AM by xtcsx
reply to post by The_Brave



I understand this is an old thread... and this has probably been brought up before.... but there is no such thing as good and evil.... certainly there are those scumbags who kill kids... and light their hair on fire... and its not outside of any sort of symantic gymnastics to not declare somebody 'evil'... Its an easy word... an easy term.... almost like calling somebody crazy... its dismissive... it disregards a sense of reason, and a sense of the reason why something which people call 'evil' even happens....

Molesting a child for example... or hell lets get extreme 10 kids... there is a reason why it happens... and there is some reason why it happens over and over and over again....

To me modern psychology is primitive...but do you really think that if Hitler won the war in WWII that the genocide of a few million jews, gypsies and other would have been considered 'evil?' absolutely not... it would have been considered necessary... sort of how torture, lack of due process, having sex with children in front of their parents.... you know... the stuff we as Americans do... and wether or not you condone it or not you allow it to happen.... you are not doing anything to stop it... so are you evil? because you let it happen and passively accept it?

In philsophy you have Utilitarianism vs Deontology.... its old school... you have Utilitiarianism (greatest good for the greatest number) and its opposite 'Deontology' (which says if a nazi officer comes to your house harboring jews... and lying is bad so you rat them out... because lying is bad... aka moral absolutism....) Utilitarianism is supposedly 'democratic'... however its not... Thomas Jefferson knew this which is why he said 'Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what they want to eat for dinner". Its abut a republic... respect for the rule of law... it isnt we kill 1 person to save 99... the 99 rally around the 1 and it becomes a society about whats right... and not about sacrificing 1 person to save 99 other people....

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