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It's Official: Zeitgeist, Peter Joeseph, is out in left field.....

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by The_Brave
I Understand,

Now I know there are some people who are new to all of this, sorry to forget about you, and we do all wake up in our own ways.


For all of you who found out about Alex Jones through Zeitgeist, please remember that when, when the producer of the movie comes on his show and talks down to him, or refuses to acknowledge the power of the worlds elite.


I am fortunate enough to have woken up right around 2000, before their plans actually manifested on 9-11. We all are in this together and no man is better than the other. Sorry if I came off wrong, I just want to reaffirm what Alex Jones has been doing for a long time.

Not to mention, My Original Mentor

Bill Cooper.

William Cooper's speeches on Youtube make more sense to me now, more than ever, I am really getting back to my roots in all this and re-studying those old books my family was reading in the 80's.

Peace


[edit on 17-10-2008 by The_Brave]


he wasnt talking aley down....alex was treating him...his guest..like a fool..he was insulting.

that doesnt mean alex is wrong in everything he says...he should just respect others point of view a bit more...he cant claim that his religion is the truth..its impossible..and ironic that he attacks people who point that out to him..

alex and william cooper have both opened my eyes...so did zeitgeist..just because alex doesnt understand what zeitgeist is saying doesnt make it false...he is wasting his energy attacking people who are on his side just because they see religion as part of the NWO.....




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by EndofTime
 


I agree.

Alex:
"does the mommy spider teach all the baby spiders how to spin the webs?"

Peter Joseph:

"Yes"!!!
"But your a christian so you will never understand why. Capitalism has corrupted your mind. I'm emotionally removed from everything, thus my opinion is more important than yours. We are the proletariat. Your Capitalist system is doomed to failure. The Bourgeoisie will be eliminated."

[edit on 17-10-2008 by TruthTellist]


He is a commie. Google proletariat. He has no emotions, he is a walking robot. Who is giving him orders?.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by zman

Originally posted by BlackOps719


The part that troubled me the most and sent the chills up my spine was the part where Jones was asking "so what happens to the rest of us who are non co-operative...the ones who dont want to conform to the rules or go along with the ideas of your utopian society?"


His response was "re-education"


Now if that response doesnt set off a red flag in your psyche then I do not know what will.


You know the Venus Project will never ever tell you. Blue pill or red one?. The completely and I think or I know they do not want to touch that question. Its like a gulag. Yep, send you to be trained, but how, they never explain that do they. Why, cause it would scare the crap out of you. Its a scam and so is Mr. Joseph. But before all you start screaming at me, ANSWER THE Question posted. What I do not understand they have no written rules, as in a bill of rights, etc.


?...alex re-educates people all the time..thats what he is trying to do.....and its good that he does...

re-education is not necessarily a bad thing....if someone believes spiderman is real isnt re-education a good thing?..if someone believes george bush is a good american isnt re-education a good thing?

your making the same mistake alex does...your listening to words and attaching your own meanings to them..



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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According to astrological mysticism (astrology?), Venus is the luciferian planet. I'd be very wary of something called the Venus Project. No BS.

It's starting to look more like something mirroring a satanic cult.

Peace


[edit on 17-10-2008 by Dr Love]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by alienesquere-education is not necessarily a bad thing....if someone believes spiderman is real isnt re-education a good thing?..if someone believes george bush is a good american isnt re-education a good thing?




You can enlist for all of the re-education that you wish, but I will respecfully have to pass.


Why dont you get on Google and have a look at some of the previous regimes and world leaders throughout history who also believed in the benign and aggrandizing powers of re-education.


Start with Joseph Stalin...read on to Pol Pot...and when you get to the Nazis let me know how you like the way it is heading


Note: you may find a re-ocurring "theme" there somewhere

 


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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by alienesque

Originally posted by zman

Originally posted by BlackOps719


The part that troubled me the most and sent the chills up my spine was the part where Jones was asking "so what happens to the rest of us who are non co-operative...the ones who dont want to conform to the rules or go along with the ideas of your utopian society?"


His response was "re-education"


Now if that response doesnt set off a red flag in your psyche then I do not know what will.


You know the Venus Project will never ever tell you. Blue pill or red one?. The completely and I think or I know they do not want to touch that question. Its like a gulag. Yep, send you to be trained, but how, they never explain that do they. Why, cause it would scare the crap out of you. Its a scam and so is Mr. Joseph. But before all you start screaming at me, ANSWER THE Question posted. What I do not understand they have no written rules, as in a bill of rights, etc.


?...alex re-educates people all the time..thats what he is trying to do.....and its good that he does...

re-education is not necessarily a bad thing....if someone believes spiderman is real isnt re-education a good thing?..if someone believes george bush is a good american isnt re-education a good thing?

your making the same mistake alex does...your listening to words and attaching your own meanings to them..


You still did not answer my question, what is THEIR re-education program and where is there rules and regulations like a bill of rights?. If you do not know then find out and let us know.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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What kind system i thinking to place like this school system too. Is telling basics to life and other is the choices what wanted to learn and where area you more interested. Important things is basics to life. I am right now today after readed about that teaching thing, i thought i could try figure out city where all is in, school, food things, home and all. Size of that city is big and it no needed be large area, it can be one giant height building what is close at space. Room is big and in room is basics, other rooms are meant to parent rooms like parents with their children or child take first step in family life and so on. I am interested to design these kind things but then people stop us to make step to change because they are brainwashed to honor this system where we live now. Seriously, this system is bad where we live now. You die if you not work, what kind system is that. There should be support to those who are poor and my city is one kind thing where you can find all.

I know where i get recources to them too. But to how to share these designs is to build first Recearch Facility where to is everywhere free transporting. In that facility could be designers who together thinking systems and try find best solutions how to do that and that. Then we need produce facility where is people who like to put forward these designs what is choosed to be good design and that's putted forward and we need first find people who is interested creating things. But, transporting is thing what is important this kind things. With transporting, we can make recources moving faster to place to place and more easily. So we people choose together designs and other people together put forward these designs what have been designed in Recearch Facility. We can go freely in these buildings and start working together. Actually, city what i am making, could be better to build at space, there is more space to build than earth.

About putting forward these ideas, they look is there any place where we could build these and actually space is place where we in the end come up, because we can't just take ourselves this planet, there living much more than just us. In space we could build Death Star copy example. It could be fun to see that kind structure. Recearch Facility we could find out that out too how to fix problem with gravity and so on when we build this kind structure to space. I have plans to how quickly build like halo ringworld. Not with ground now but other way that kind. But now i am focusing to the complete this Zeitgeist movement thing to earth, then dreaming designing different things or not dreaming, making from dream truth.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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If you didn't know, we can design that kind thing too, or are you waiting at they design it for you? Why not throw design of school system to the table, or make one design of it. This society is at we work together and not just at they design to us. Understand now the society? We are the project walls, we are the society builders, not Peter and Jasque, they can give their design together our design and we can together with Peter, Jasque, me and you thinking together in same house with others what updates we could put this and so on and how we could actually make it better and so on. This kind society i see what they are trying to bring to lights.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:54 AM
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This Reminds of what the ZeitGeist people are saying:




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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Alex Jones' show yesterday, following up about Joseph and Zeitgeist.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3


Part 4


It's obvious Jones feels he left his guard down regarding the whole Zeitgeist Movement and now he's putting it into overdrive. I agree with him, something sinister is afoot.

Peace



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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you obviously didnt read my post..



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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?...whats wrong with telling people the truth..again..thats what ale jones does..he re-educates people every time he speaks..should he be stopped?

 


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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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There is a big difference between offering information and allowing people to process it and believe it at their own free will versus re-education and indoctrination.

What you are describing is brain washing and mind manipulation.


Who will decide the rules? Who will decide what is and isnt correct or appropriate thought?

What you are suggesting borders on tyranny.

The difference is FREE WILL.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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nope....you are assuming the guy from zeitgeist meant what YOU think he meant...

when alex jones gets his loud speaker out and shouts '9/11 was an inside job'..whats he doing?

hes trying to re-educate people...just the same as the zeitgeist people are.

its all word games....if the guy from zeitgeist means re-education in the way you think he does then obviously hes wrong...i just dont believe he does.

but what i cant stand is the 'my theory is better than yours' bull that alex is spouting..thats exactly what he claims he is fighting..

 


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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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Have you ever read Karl Marx?

How about Lenin?

Look at North Korea - there is the model for the society that your Peter Joseph wants to establish...




Look at that; Their Society is in Harmony with Nature!

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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We work together.

We design society together.

We build society together.

We find best solutions to make society better.

We update society when needed if we found better solution to something.

We make ideas and solutions come together where we choose best ones "together".

Isn't that great? Right now that idea is not going on because we still say "HOLY ELITE who controls through goverment, we obey your orders, ababababaa ababababaa ababababaa". So, one step to man to one step to new revolution of new kind society, one step is jumping on the hills huge leaps to highest point.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
Look at North Korea - there is the model for the society that your Peter Joseph wants to establish...




Peter Joseph is simply more eloquent than alex jones...

Peter Joseph asks alex jones what he is doing:

(say in loud voice)

'IM TELLING THE GOD DAMNED SHEEP IN THIS COUNTRY THE TRUTH...ARGHHHH!!!!!'

alex jones asks Peter Joseph what he is doing:

'im re-educating people'

i can see why his choice of words may make some people wary of his motives..but all he has done is see the same thing as alex jones has seen..and found another way out..

would i want alex jones running the world...no thanks...he is too intolerant of other peoples ideas..


 

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Silenteye
reply to post by BlackOps719
 


We work together.

We design society together.

We build society together.

We find best solutions to make society better.

We update society when needed if we found better solution to something.

We make ideas and solutions come together where we choose best ones "together".

Isn't that great? Right now that idea is not going on because we still say "HOLY ELITE who controls through goverment, we obey your orders, ababababaa ababababaa ababababaa". So, one step to man to one step to new revolution of new kind society, one step is jumping on the hills huge leaps to highest point.



Well that is all well and good and sounds really great on paper.....too bad it is a socialist pipe dream that defies every human instinct and ignores every element of true human nature.

Sounds like an unrealistic pseudo hippie fantasy to me.

You are forgetting one key componant as well.....someone would HAVE to be in charge. Someone would be responsible for creating policy within the group.

Every tribe of injuns has to have a chief, otherwise it will not function. I didnt write the rules, I just know the outcome before it even begins. What you are describing is a socialistic type of anarchy and from what Joseph and Zeitgesit describe, it doesnt sound like there will be much room for free or cognitive thought.

What would happen is what always happens, the weak will end up exploited by the strong. Man kind is not meant to be neutral and passive. Man kind is designed to achieve, to excell and to dominate. These are human instincts and no amount of new age sci-fi indoctrination will change that.

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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alex jones is so dumb that he couldn't comprehend what peter was talking about. No matter how clear he put it alex just doesn't get it. Then he started being childish and arrogant and ridiculas. Im sick of that guys shallow mindedness, he's too caught up in christianity and cant see that religion is one of the biggest form of control. This interview has proven that alex doesn't have much mental power and thats the last time im gona listen to his show. I believe in the NWO and all that but i dont want to be associated with that childish idiot.




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