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It's Official: Zeitgeist, Peter Joeseph, is out in left field.....

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Sorry folks, communism is a buzz word, just like terrorism (terrorism is the most subjective term i've ever heard). It's propaganda. There has never been either a true communistic or capitalistic state, except perhaps the early days of the United States. Both of these ideas are just that, they are systems of social control. Ideology is the enemy. institutional religion is the ultimate form of ideology as evidenced by alex jones' irrational beliefs.

Try not to think in the cold war paradigm of US vs. THEM. We need to move beyond that to advance as a race. We need to find ourselves and explore our own spirituality, not that which someone instills in us. I think that is the message he tried to get across but it's like explaining what a computer is to a cave man.




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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To flatly say that a resource based economy can never work is baseless, The fact of the matter is this system is not working either. A change is a necessity for the future not an option, otherwise human kind is going is going to have a losing clash with natural law.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 09:40 PM
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alex really went off the deep end on this one. he lost control and really showed his lack of tolerance and open mindendness. i used to like him but he has turned into his ego bigtime. He is so full of himself. He has become the Bill O'reilly of this movement which is incredibly sad.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:37 PM
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no, its because you have a lack of self control and his actions make yours seem acceptable. fact is poise shows true thoughtfullness and intelligence.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:24 AM
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That was one of the best discussions I've ever heard on the radio. Peter is definitely a smart fellow and Alex is a hoot to listen to.

I was a bit perplexed by Peter's admission that observation and learning accounts for all our behavior but refuses to admit that instinct and genetics play a role. All the other stuff about fractional reserve banking was spot on, when they got to the part about morals and the stuff animals do like birds migrating, Alex got hilarious.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:12 AM
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I agree.

Alex:
"does the mommy spider teach all the baby spiders how to spin the webs?"

Peter Joseph:

"Yes"!!!
"But your a christian so you will never understand why. Capitalism has corrupted your mind. I'm emotionally removed from everything, thus my opinion is more important than yours. We are the proletariat. Your Capitalist system is doomed to failure. The Bourgeoisie will be eliminated."

[edit on 17-10-2008 by TruthTellist]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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I guess it's a matter of perspective because I thought Jones got schooled, badly. I listen to him quite a bit, mostly for his guests, but this time he just sounded ignorant and closed minded.

Joseph kept trying to explain to him, desperately, that living in a society that he proposes would bring about an entirely new social structure and way of looking at the world. Again and again Jones comes back to "are you saying you're going to take my guns? Oh boy you ain't takin my guns! Who's gonna have the guns then to assure there's no trouble and what will keep those people from taking over..." etc etc.

He doesn't understand that it's our system of scarcity, ownership and wealth that produces the conditions which requires people to believe they need guns to protect themselves and possessions from everyone else. In his system there's no need if everyone has everything they want.

Then he goes on about how it sounds like communism simply because there's shared wealth when if he took 10 minutes to give it chance he'd realize it's not the same at all. It can be misconstrued that way on the surface to those who don't want to understand and are looking for a way to demonize the idea.

To me he came across like a bully who picks on people because their ideas are hard to grasp so he refuses and tries to belittle them.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:21 AM
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Joseph kept trying to explain to him, desperately, that living in a society that he proposes would bring about an entirely new social structure and way of looking at the world.

We live in the real world. Sorry. His ``society`` is BS and will never happen. You would need a major change, like a nuclear war to do that kind of stuff.

And his movie is full pro-NWO.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo


Joseph kept trying to explain to him, desperately, that living in a society that he proposes would bring about an entirely new social structure and way of looking at the world.

We live in the real world. Sorry. His ``society`` is BS and will never happen. You would need a major change, like a nuclear war to do that kind of stuff.

And his movie is full pro-NWO.


Are you sure you watched the right movie?

And didn't you listen either? Alex kept saying the same but if either of you paid attention he said multiple times that he wouldn't try and convert our society. He would build it, they would come. If you don't like it, hey, don't show up.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:55 AM
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Was an entertaining show! I'm usually pretty tolerant of Alex Jones' craziness because I know his heart's in the right place, but for the first time, he really embarassed himself I think. Or maybe he's just emotionally driven, wearing his heart on his sleeve.

Difficult to pick a side when you believe in nature and nurture, and when you're niether religious nor atheist - like myself. But yes, Joeseph seems very articulate, if a little - how shall I put this - robotic and cold.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:11 AM
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"But yes, Joeseph seems very articulate, if a little - how shall I put this - robotic and cold."

I ask you one question because i thinked that why you think about him like that so i ask ansrew what makes clear what kind could be opposite of this kind person so, i throw question.

What kind is opposite of Peter Joseph from "Robotic and cold" to "Non-robotic and warm"? Try understand question, im little tired so i maybe not spelling now so correctly.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:16 AM
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The part that troubled me the most and sent the chills up my spine was the part where Jones was asking "so what happens to the rest of us who are non co-operative...the ones who dont want to conform to the rules or go along with the ideas of your utopian society?"


His response was "re-education"


Now if that response doesnt set off a red flag in your psyche then I do not know what will.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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I readed about Goal Zeitgeist movement site and it looked good. People think its utopia but like i, i don't think utopia exist because everything can be done way or another, we need just think about how to do it. Like someone thought how to keep water not coming out from glass where is holes. Oh, there is holes, i put holes somekind plug that keep water inside at glass. This interview was strange, after that Alex maked videos where he came up other kind things what Zeitgeist didn't support. Why the heck he stayed still in goverment thing at there will be someones still there controlling. Didn't he read text about what can be found from Zeitgeist movement site, what could be our goverment?

Earth of course.

"In fact, the only true "government" that can possibly exist is the earth and its resources."

That can be found "The Truth and transition"

I say yes for that, yes it is our government, because earth kill us if we are rude to it, but it not killing like hands comes out inside from earth and smash people. No no no, its like at how we act, comes to our future. Like if we smash things around earth to bad, earth comes bad. If we get things ok at earth, earth will be ok and not killing us. But after we go space, then space is maybe our government next because then we are in space so there is space laws going on. On earth, Nature laws. Every planet have it own Nature laws because planets are different at size and other things.

One thing more to water glass. It don't have under anything what keeps water inside, so i need to mix it to put something under so water stays in glass. What an great idea. Like Caveman thought, how the heck i drink from this if water will not keep inside it and it just goes through it. We can do things way or another, that's the ansrew. Simple is question how, but hard to think what is the ansrew how, but later we figure it out way or another.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Silenteye]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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I think I understand your question. Joeseph's proposed future gives me the impression of a sterile existence where emotions are deemed trivial and inefficient. Overall, it reminds me of the film Equilibrium where books and emotions are effectively banned, so that war and rivalry never surface.

The opposite of Joeseph (from the incomplete impression I get of him) would be someone who acts on instinct and allows their emotions to affect their choices. Perhaps someone who studies the less practical aspects of life such as esoteric interests. Essentially, it might be someone who puts effort into things which are not necessarily purposeful in a practical sense and allows a little indulgence here and there.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by Silenteye
"Oh, there is holes, i put holes somekind plug that keep water inside at glass""

"Why the heck he stayed still in goverment thing at there will be someones still there controlling. "


"In fact, the only true "government" that can possibly exist is the earth and its resources."

"because earth kill us if we are rude to it, but it not killing like hands comes out inside from earth and smash people. No no no, its like at how we act, comes to our future. Like if we smash things around earth to bad, earth comes bad. "

"If we get things ok at earth, earth will be ok and not killing us."

"But after we go space, then space is maybe our government next because then we are in space so there is space laws going on. "


I'm sorry, but I can't understand you. I just can't

What translator are you using? I could help you find a better one if you want.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by TruthTellist]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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No, Zeitgeist's future scenario is more like the star trek economy, where people just get what they want from a dispenser, no questions asked. The core idea is if we unleash the full potential of our technology we can automate the vast majority of tasks and design self maintaining infrastructure, liberating us from the majority of manual labour, giving us more time do to whatever we want to do, within the limits of the law. And this is more or less undeniable, we all should know by now there is a lot of tecnological suppression. And we all should realise that our current system is based on artificial scarcity. The examples are endless:

Diamonds being stockpiled so as not to decrease market prices.

Houses being foreclosed on and people being put on the streets despite most western nations having more houses than families.

Food being destroyed or left to rot because it's not economical to send it to who's hungry.

Cars waiting for buyers despite there being people wanting cars.

Tecnological choices, especially in the energy sector, being made because they provide centralized distribution of scarcity instead of decentralized production of abundance.

Etc.

Out current monetary based capitalism fails at letting us use the full potential of this planet in an abundant, peacefull and ecological way. It is run by elitist crypto fascists that want everything under their control, part of their property. And this is why we, as a species, underperform so badly when compared to our potential. What the movie shows is more or less what we need to do if we want to reach our potential.

I've thought about it, and we can get there in baby steps, tweaking capitalism untill it changes into a resource based economy, but we first have to change our culture, we have to think more about cooperation than competition and we have to accept we live in abundance and not scarcity, which is a false paradigm polluting our current culture. Our scarcity of resources is a self inflicted wound, nature gives us all we want in almost endless supply, should we choose to use it. That choice is what we, as a species, have not made due to our culture having been hijacked by people who are basically enemies of mankind, who are social predators.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:12 AM
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Alot of people have alot to say about this interview.

However once again, please remember this.

Alex Jones has been doing this since the 90's, making movies, being heard on the radio and being very visible by joe public. I now would love to see how the Zeitgeist movement will take this because I believe they showed their true colors.

I highly doubt, Peter Joeseph and the rest of the New Age crowd wants to step out in public, hold rally's, fight for public office and get petitions signed to force the government to change it's criminal ways.

I have become active in my community and am a direct reflection of what Alex Jones and Infowars preaches. Get out there and do it yourself!


I would love to see the Zeitgeist movement match what we have accomplished over the years. As a matter of fact, I know this as well. There have been movements forged out of the CFR and Tri-Lateral commission to try and dis-credit ours. That is a fact.

I won't stop trying to wake people up, no way, no how.


It was a great conversation, but we shall see what the true agenda of Peter Joespeph is over time. People love his movies, but it was not the first, they just jumped on a bandwagon and tried out what was trendy.

This isn't just a trend, or a fad, my friends.....This is real Life!

Thank You One and All,
The_Brave



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by The_Brave
Alot of people have alot to say about this interview.

However once again, please remember this.

Alex Jones has been doing this since the 90's, making movies, being heard on the radio and being very visible by joe public. I now would love to see how the Zeitgeist movement will take this because I believe they showed their true colors.

I highly doubt, Peter Joeseph and the rest of the New Age crowd wants to step out in public, hold rally's, fight for public office and get petitions signed to force the government to change it's criminal ways.

I have become active in my community and am a direct reflection of what Alex Jones and Infowars preaches. Get out there and do it yourself!


I would love to see the Zeitgeist movement match what we have accomplished over the years. As a matter of fact, I know this as well. There have been movements forged out of the CFR and Tri-Lateral commission to try and dis-credit ours. That is a fact.

I won't stop trying to wake people up, no way, no how.


It was a great conversation, but we shall see what the true agenda of Peter Joespeph is over time. People love his movies, but it was not the first, they just jumped on a bandwagon and tried out what was trendy.

This isn't just a trend, or a fad, my friends.....This is real Life!

Thank You One and All,
The_Brave



zeitgeist was THE film that opened my eyes to all the things alex jones is saying...i found alex jones THROUGH zeitgeist..

if they have a hidden agenda...it isnt working...



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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I Understand,

Now I know there are some people who are new to all of this, sorry to forget about you, and we do all wake up in our own ways.


For all of you who found out about Alex Jones through Zeitgeist, please remember that when, when the producer of the movie comes on his show and talks down to him, or refuses to acknowledge the power of the worlds elite.


I am fortunate enough to have woken up right around 2000, before their plans actually manifested on 9-11. We all are in this together and no man is better than the other. Sorry if I came off wrong, I just want to reaffirm what Alex Jones has been doing for a long time.

Not to mention, My Original Mentor

Bill Cooper.

William Cooper's speeches on Youtube make more sense to me now, more than ever, I am really getting back to my roots in all this and re-studying those old books my family was reading in the 80's.

Peace


[edit on 17-10-2008 by The_Brave]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719


The part that troubled me the most and sent the chills up my spine was the part where Jones was asking "so what happens to the rest of us who are non co-operative...the ones who dont want to conform to the rules or go along with the ideas of your utopian society?"


His response was "re-education"


Now if that response doesnt set off a red flag in your psyche then I do not know what will.


You know the Venus Project will never ever tell you. Blue pill or red one?. The completely and I think or I know they do not want to touch that question. Its like a gulag. Yep, send you to be trained, but how, they never explain that do they. Why, cause it would scare the crap out of you. Its a scam and so is Mr. Joseph. But before all you start screaming at me, ANSWER THE Question posted. What I do not understand they have no written rules, as in a bill of rights, etc.



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