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posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by logicalview

Would the introduction of this database prevent you from continuing your daily life/lifestyle as it is today.

What laws/measures have been put in place since say 1970 that would have prevented you continuing the same life/lifestyle?

Genuine questions.


How about the restrictions in the way I can actually demonstrate against a government bringing further restrictions?




posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by alienesque

thats not the point...someone coming into your house once a week and rooting through your draws..your bank balances..and your video/book collection wouldnt change your life....would you not feel a bit odd however having this done to you?..would you not ask yourself WHY this is being done?


No, i would not be happy about that. But then why would they want/need to if it's not justified. If i'd been say hacking the bank of england and nicking money then i would not be surprised if that were to happen.

Got to nip out for an hour. I'll be back.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by logicalview
reply to post by alienesque
 


Sorry, i confess i'm not that computer literate yet. This damn quote/unquote jargon ha ha!

Right, back on topic, What i was trying to say was how far do you think new laws could stretch to improve eg crime fighting before they could be considered by some to affect their liberties?


crime will always exist no matter what the government claims they are doing..



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by logicalview

Originally posted by alienesque

thats not the point...someone coming into your house once a week and rooting through your draws..your bank balances..and your video/book collection wouldnt change your life....would you not feel a bit odd however having this done to you?..would you not ask yourself WHY this is being done?


No, i would not be happy about that. But then why would they want/need to if it's not justified. If i'd been say hacking the bank of england and nicking money then i would not be surprised if that were to happen.

Got to nip out for an hour. I'll be back.


absolutely...but your emails will be tracked..your calls and text messages...regardless of the fact that you are not a criminal..that wont stop them..they will spy on all of us..



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by logicalview
Thanks for the comments.

reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


Would the introduction of this database prevent you from continuing your daily life/lifestyle as it is today.

What laws/measures have been put in place since say 1970 that would have prevented you continuing the same life/lifestyle?

Genuine questions.


Genuine answer - please take a look at this other ATS post and you'll see that they don't even need new laws/measures to prevent people continuing the same life/lifestyle!



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 07:07 AM
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My phone is constantly being tapped, so obviously they have already started. It is Big Brother gone mad. I am just a common person, no threat to my country, or anybody else, and it irritates me that they can tap my phone, and yet with their CCTV and a police department around the corner a murder can take place.

It seems that while they are monitering the likes of me and you; the real criminals are getting away with murder.

To think that they can even read our emails; we might as well go back to snail mail for more privacy.

Fortunately for me, I have friends that are not connected to the internet, and I can snail mail them. Problem is that I have to use my computer and my word pro to put the mail down. So if they can read our email, how much longer, before they find a way to hack into peoples systems?

I think the majority of people are decent and honest. To take liberties is stepping on our right to privacy. It seems that the hierarchy have more privacy than those of us on common ground.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 07:12 AM
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BBC power of nightmares

go check it out in google video... its 3 parts long and covers everything.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by rachel07
My phone is constantly being tapped, so obviously they have already started. It is Big Brother gone mad. I am just a common person, no threat to my country, or anybody else, and it irritates me that they can tap my phone, and yet with their CCTV and a police department around the corner a murder can take place.

It seems that while they are monitering the likes of me and you; the real criminals are getting away with murder.

To think that they can even read our emails; we might as well go back to snail mail for more privacy.

Fortunately for me, I have friends that are not connected to the internet, and I can snail mail them. Problem is that I have to use my computer and my word pro to put the mail down. So if they can read our email, how much longer, before they find a way to hack into peoples systems?

I think the majority of people are decent and honest. To take liberties is stepping on our right to privacy. It seems that the hierarchy have more privacy than those of us on common ground.




the real criminals ARE the government...they import the drugs...they commit chid abuse and they kill.

they use these measures to stop us finding out..



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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The problem is that the creeping nature of all this legislation is never knitted together in the mind of the public. As a nation we are well herded by fear, the fear of losing our plasma TV's, our holiday's, our houses, holidays etc. So if we are given a few reasons to be scared, a few examples of what *could* happen then are told what we will have to give up to be "free" then we will go along and probably ignore it.

If you look at the Nationalisation of the banks, the ID card scheme, the Speed Camera proliferation issue, the National DNA db, 42 days detention and ContactPoint then you will have in place the mechanism that by the back door, will enable a complete ID Card scheme to be in place by 2020 without any more legislation.

The Children's db is a way of getting kids used to giving up their ID to a central government system. The DNA db is gradually being populated (4 million I think and rising) with both the innocent and guilty, it has 100'000 children on it so far! You can't get your details off the db as they have legislation in place to prevent it.

If you think that inside 10 years a Socialist government has dismantled a large part of the checks and balances that have existed for so long protecting our freedom not security) and our rights then you begin to see Socialism for what it is - disgusting. (IMHO).

Thank God for the Lords, our final barrier to complete control...




posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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More police state BS from the ReichsFuhrer Jaqui Smith. This woman needs to go. She is basically continuing the crap that John Reid perpetrated during his time as Home Secretary.

What makes me giggle though is you get these idiots who accuse us who warn of these Big Brother tendancies of sounding paranoid etc and of making stuff up when it is RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM. A little vigilance, and a little historical perspective, and the Government would not get away with this crap, as there would be people hitting the streets en masse on a regular basis. But no.... dumbed down Britons, easy ride for the Government. Why pay attention to the world you live in when you can watch soap operas and the like.

God help these corrupt bastards when the people wake up.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by alienesque

the real criminals ARE the government...they import the drugs...they commit chid abuse and they kill.


OK i can see me getting some stick here.

I doubt you have any credible evidence to back up those claims.

I'm sorry i seem to argue with you every step. I'm just looking at this from the average law abiding citizen angle.

[edit on 15/10/08 by logicalview]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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if i lived in britian, i would open a store selling those disposible phones. criminals and terriosts already use them, but this law will generate large sales to the general public



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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see below

[edit on 15-10-2008 by alienesque]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by logicalview

Originally posted by alienesque

the real criminals ARE the government...they import the drugs...they commit chid abuse and they kill.


OK i can see me getting some stick here.

I doubt you have any credible evidence to back up those claims.

I'm sorry i seem to argue with you every step. I'm just looking at this from the average law abiding citizen angle.

[edit on 15/10/08 by logicalview]


of course i do...its common knowledge the american government and/or the CIA have smuggled drugs....theres plenty of evidence that governments take part in or even run the drug trade...why on earth do you think they went into afghanistan?

use google to find plenty of evidence

in 2001...before the war afghanistan exported hardly any opium.....now...with US and british soldiers there...all of a sudden it exports 90% of the worlds supply..ironic given we are constantly told they want to clamp down on the drug trade dont you think..?

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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Crikey, Just read the Global Envision article. Hard not to believe since if the US/UK wanted to they could daisy cutter the entire crop.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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That's how it starts in the UK. The problem is so many people over there are so bureaucratic that b/c the police now have the right to do this no one will say that they can't. They will say, "No they can do it, a law was passed." and that will be the end of it. In UK you either have the right or you don't. But when they don't have the right the people are fast to tell them they don't.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo2012
How many terror attacks have happened in london, or the rest of the uk, since the tube bombings. NONE.


There have been none because this event allowed everything required to be achieved.

7/7 was designed to gain maximum exposure. World media at the UK hosted G8 summit and all eyes on the capital due to the 'Trigger event' (read the Mars Trilogy) of 2012 games announcement on 6/7.

Since then we have witnessed Prime Minister Brown's personal action-movie. So many problems in the first few months of office he even cancelled his holiday to show the public he was in control and there was nothing to worry about as long as we did as he said.

I note with interest every time another Terrorist Bill is taken to Parliament the media is stormed with the usual faces. There are those who claim not passing it will cause us all to be wiped out by dirty bombs and fundamentalist religion. The others present token resistance in order to uphold the Hegelian Dialectic.

I've possibly moved a little off-piste with this statement. The whole situation has me a little riled. Speaking as someone who is on the DNA database (and obviously biased) nothing would please me more than to melt down all the cameras, poles, associated equipment and turn them into guns with which to arm the public so we could finally defend ourselves against all forms of tyranny.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by logicalview
Well i don't want to come across as niave but if these powers are not abused, isn't it a good thing? Especially considering it could be used to prevent any future terrorist attacks, Fraud, Criminal activities, Peodophile rings.................... There's probably a long list.


HELLOOOOOOOO! Its the Government who are responsible for the terrorist attacks, and there fraudulant, criminal and most of them are peodophiles.

HEY GORDON BROWN DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR INTERNET AND PHONE DATA YA FAT BASTARD!



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Truther

HELLOOOOOOOO! Its the Government who are responsible for the terrorist attacks, and there fraudulant, criminal and most of them are peodophiles.

HEY GORDON BROWN DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR INTERNET AND PHONE DATA YA FAT BASTARD!


Have you any evidence to prove that 'most of the government are paedophiles'? I've no love for recent governments and I dare say there might might be paedophiles in government, but "most"? That's a very bold claim.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by logicalview
But then why would they want/need to if it's not justified.


Governments naturally want to expand. Those pushing for this do not have your best interests at heart.

Would you also suggest that every letter I posted through a another's door should be, by law, recorded in a government database?



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