Why do women break up with nice guys?

I guess you dont know what it is to be a virgin at 24 and how this causes MOST of my problems.

besides being an alternative thinker.

It destroys any bit of sanity I once had.

Of course you'll say "boohoo who cares, you're just whining" but you dont know what I do and how I never get better even though I do my best to get better.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

The rest of society will make male involuntary celibate virgins out to be the worst form of life on all of this darwinistic earth. they are considered rejects of Nature and even the Book of Life.

Doesn't make me feel like I want to continue living now does it? Not even to strive to become better, since to start off being the most pathetic form of existence on earth you were and always are nobody because time is never on your side.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

Originally posted by riley
This is for educational purposes as this subject is turning this forum into a "Can't get layed" anti-woman whine fest which may make it uncomfortable for some women to continue posting.

..though I doubt this would sink in either.

www.heartless-bitches.com...All too often we hear self-professed "Nice Guys" complaining about why they can't get a date, and whining that women just want to date jerks, etc. etc. The truth of the matter is that there are genuinely caring, compassionate, decent, fun guys out there who have NO TROUBLE meeting people, getting dates, and having relationships.

Unfortunately, many of the guys who DO have trouble, insist that women don't want them because they are "too Nice". These people who call themselves "Nice Guys" can't see that THEIR OWN behavior is the problem. That behavior either drives women away or attracts the WORST kind of predator - one who is manipulative and self-serving. Whether it is targeting women who are troubled to begin with, setting themselves up to be taken advantage of, or acting in a manipulative, patronizing or obsequious fashion, these guys sabotage themselves and often blame "all women" for their misfortunes.

This section is devoted to the guys who suffer from that self-professed "Nice Guy" affliction. Here is the place to find out why YOUR behavior isn't as "Nice" as you think it is...

Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

Nice guys who put women on pedestals. By worshipping her, you objectify and demean her.

Nice guys who think they're the ONLY amateurs in the world at love, and that when a woman doesn't want to have anything to do with them, they're hateful, spiteful bitches who are experts at hurting poor, poor widdle innocent nice guys. Yep, we all read books on how to do it. All girls receive secret, expert instruction from their gym teachers, usually in 5th grade in most school districts, about the ins and outs of love, while the poor nice guys are left to fumble around with no clues.
Nice guys who are too STUPID to figure out any other way out of their so-called predicament except to conclude that they have to become woman-battering heavy drinkers and sports players.
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Nice guys who sit there passively waiting for life to happen to them, instead of actively pursing their goals and dreams.

Emphasis mine most obviously.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by riley]

I can also bet those 'good guys' who do get dates are an exception to the general Rule.

Also that website is just messed up. Truly Heartless. Gee I wonder why they would call their site Heartless ****es International?

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You can even see the rampant "old times" pics of women all over the website. Reminiscent of feminist and even the old times mentality. Just because it's retro doesn't mean it's any better to date the jerk over the truly good man. Obsessed over the fashion of the old times, as if that makes you anymore innocent. The gangsters and the barbaric ran everything, they chose the fashions. The old times could have probably been just as bad as it is now.

Even since the early 1900s women dated the jerks. The gangsters of old, the 'bully', the 'barbaric', brutes, the arrogant ones, etc.

Even if the guys are 'good' on the inside, they had to play like a badboy by dressing bad, looking 'bad', seeming in some way 'bad' etc.

And not that all feminism is bad or the concept, but the movement in America has definitely been used by TPTB to create havoc since it's infiltration and corruption.

Heartless indeed. You can't understand that perhaps we act this way for a reason, yet you'd think it's for no good reason, and call us stupid than trying to understand it. Everything happens for a reason. Perhaps we were left alone for so long that we became this way? The initial reason for being left alone having nothing to do with why we are being left alone afterward since we were totally different before. Loneliness definitely has it's own effects regardless of how you were before. Or it probably had nothing to do with this, depending on your case.

Can't believe it. The images on that websites are truly disturbing. It shows that these women actually enjoy the evil. Like pompous arrogant self righteous children.

This websites is just for that same type of girl that is attracted to the brute, the badboy.

www.heartless-bitches.com...
www.heartless-bitches.com...
www.heartless-bitches.com...

You mock.

No remorse whatsoever.

I was never this arrogant in any of my posts.

Even if you get angry, one needs to step back and see what's going on.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

Be yourself, and find the girl that fits YOU... If you try to be something your are not, it will eventually (and likely sooner than later), bite you in the rear...

The Quiet Storm,

I dont particularly care what other guys think of me. Women as well as I said I am not trying out for the approval of either. If that were so I would be driving a nice car and or pick up truck every two or three years. I actually ride a scooter or moped to work when the weather is nice and it save me gas. I burn my gas up on the weekends like this one in this manner..in my truck and cars.

I don't care who likes or approves of it male or female.

What I don't do in this arena is whine about it. I do however know certain characteristics of both males and females and why they do some of the things they do.

If I wanted to catch a certain kind of female all I would have to do is buy and maintain a certain kind of flash car. I just so happen to think this kind of female is not worth my time and labor to do this.

Alot of males buy a certain kind of car/truck because they never saw an ugly girl get out of one. No thanks. Not for me either. I am not that insecure that I must run a certain kind of treadmill to catch, keep, and maintain a certain kind of woman.

As to your virginity status..I am not interested in this . I am happy for you that you have some form of sex, sexuality status..but I am not at all interested in this status in and about you. It is to much in formations for this site. No one here has the duty and obligation for you in this status or capacity. There are no default settings here obligating someone to such considerations for you or anyone else for that matter.

Most of the women I have ever met want their men or even males pretty much already made...not a package they must put together..a project if you like. Thus they want males or men in whom they can have some level of confidence....virgin or not.

This concept seems to escape your level of thinking. No problem my me. You will just continue to whine and or play the "Victim Card." Most women consider the "Victim Card " to be their domain ..not the domain of males. Go it yet??

Keep on whining your way through life and playing the "victim card." You will go far with that in this world.

You might even make it all the way up to the Jerry Springer Show or his sidekick...Steve or whatever is his name.

Thanks,
Orangetom

why do women have to hold the 'victim' card if any?

Nobody should hold the victim card.

As I quoted from another thread on "Videotaped rape - now the 87th most popular website in the world":


Originally posted by fraterormus
"It is commonly known that the majority of women in the West will be a victim of either a violent rape or a date-rape at some point in their lives. The psychological impact of rape can be devastating. Many victims of rape find it useful to participate in fantasy rape. It allows them to have control of a situation in a role-playing perspective, re-enacting their trauma in a safe environment. Each time they re-enact the trauma while having control of the scene helps undo the damage that had been wrongfully done to them by someone else. Some women actually find a kind of liberation and release in surrendering control and responsibility during sex. The female psyche is a strange and peculiar thing that is difficult for men to understand. It defies logic and reason because although the females may have logic and reason, their psyche doesn't necessarily abide by them in a manner which men can easily comprehend."

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Very disturbing.

Only the "badboy" types, who don't care as much can keep a straight face when a woman asks to be smacked around while getting "#ed"


I can understand she wants passionate, perhaps to a point of aggression or roughness since guys really want to have sex and they haven't in such a long time and they're finally getting it, or want some release... but other than that, masochism I dont want to participate in.

To be even more f-ed up is that this type of behavior is very common in POP CULTURE. Women want the badboy for this, women want to be 'smacked' and with the whole slave mentality, BDSM type stuff. And they get all pompous about it too, as if a guy who does this stuff is considered 'manly' and 'tough' for that, and that she's being submissive to him.

This traumatizes me to no end.

Can you see, in porn, which is VERY popular in mainstream society... The female is always in submission to an aggressive 'dominant' male. There is ALWAYS an air of sado-masochism, an air of even making fun of the whole situation as if this man is 'gettin it' while others aren't and he's making her do all these dirty condescending things to her because he can, and she's willing because she's 'entranced/enslaved' by him, and that makes him 'better' than anyone else.. and the women are willingly participating in this worshipful darwinistic hate fest (in the back of their minds, or subconsciously).

Women in mainstream culture like to feel like they're making other men suffer and make them lonely, because 'they're not hot or aggressive/dominant enough' or whatever else you can think of as being a 'justified' reason for imposing involuntary celibacy and loneliness, and at the same time, rubbing it in our faces by participating in cruel demeaning behavior in a 'submissive' position to the badboy but at the same time, stepping over those 'men' she dislikes being the 'good and nice guys'. Usually the ones who are less violent, or aggressive.


The power the women has in this 'submissive' position is really not power at all. It just gives all the power to the 'badboy' male. Like the ones who go for the gangster types.

And why? Because a good guy has a heart.

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Moreso.. I think this type of behavior is an acquired taste.

Women never really liked the badboy, rape fantasy and BDSM until media and society culturing got to her.

Furthermore psychology likes to make all these assumptions and explanations to make it look like it's a pathology or some kind of 'disease' or just a variety of behaviour.. really that just takes the power out of the fact that it was really instilled into her and others by external sources and she believed it.. it's subliminal.

Same with getting into messed up relationships, etc. We are born with a capacity for feelings, which can get dumbed down by societal conditioning.
That women are always victims, and are always submissive, and are weak and have only a certain kind of power.

Look at animals, a lot of times gender roles are reversed and the females are dominant, and more aggressive, and have more developed bodies.

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[edit on 1-5-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

reply to post by The Quiet Storm

why do women have to hold the 'victim' card if any?

I dont buy this out of most women as well. I am not interested in drama from them. From males either. Nor will you catch me watching these afternoon Drama programs where every woman is pregnant and needs a DNA or lie detector test. Not interested in this ..male or female.

Dont you get caught up in it either..which is exactly what you are doing in your thread...here...dramatizing.

"It is commonly known that the majority of women in the West will be a victim of either a violent rape or a date-rape at some point in their lives

Think this through extensively. What group spends more time in front of a television set or radio daily..males or females?? From whence do they get most of their informations..from books and study or from television and radio. To and for what are they listening.

Do you know that most violence in the West is male on male..not male on female. Here we have this victim channel..called the lifetime channel...for women ..it is mostly the male bashing channel.

We also have a male counterpart called the Spike channel..not any better.
Then there is this genre called shock jocks...sickening to me. If I want that nonsense and overt crudity I go to work and get paid...on the clock.
One of the most disgusting debasing programs I have seen is this guy with the black hair and sunglasses...the women on his program are always coming on to take off their clothes. I dont think much of his program or the women on there. These types are not difficult to find now days.
I cannot even seem to remember this guys name. Another Cheap shock jock. They finally took it off around here. About time. It was of the lowest common denominator. I think his name was Stern...Howard Stern.
This is not the kind of women/females in which you want to invest you time and or monies. It does not take much of an attention span to take off you clothes in front of an audience. Nor the kind of television'/radio show.

All this means is that you need to be Amused.

A- without

Muse-thinking

without thinking..amuse/amusement.

programming designed to prevent thinking.

Got it now??

This is why many women take off their clothes now days ..to get a reaction from men. They mistakenly think that this is power and control. They invest in little else..until the biology runs out and it begins to strike midnight Cinderella.
You need to be aware of this and not let your "Oil Shortage " and thinking/value system control you as you are doing here on this thread.
For it becomes obvious that you dont know what you dont know.

The female psyche is a strange and peculiar thing that is difficult for men to understand. It defies logic and reason because although the females may have logic and reason, their psyche doesn't necessarily abide by them in a manner which men can easily comprehend."

You are cheating and lying to yourself here in this..showing your ignornance and unthinking abilities.

There exists an avenue of thought called Illogic. When you learn to navigate this arena ..you will become aware of many things females do which becomes clear and obvious...there is no mystery here except the one posed by your self induced ignorance about many things female.
You will also become aware of why many males do some of the illogical things they do as well. And there are many ..such as your posts here.

You teach yourself to look not only in the light but into the shadows as well.
This requires a different kind of thinking than the purely physical.

Only the "badboy" types, who don't care as much can keep a straight face when a woman asks to be smacked around while getting "#ed"

This is not worthy of your time or efforts. On this board or in real life..your time is worth more than this from a woman. That is what I have learned over the years. Do not use this as a template to follow or pay much attention to. It is not the same as being a man.

To be even more f-ed up is that this type of behavior is very common in POP CULTURE.

Grow up..Pop culture is not life itself. People grow out of the life of illusion reinforced by rythmic drumb beats and get into the real world...where you must think to survive..not emote.
You are living by your emotions..and often clearly by fantasy images..not reality. There is much more to this world than Pop culture.
Pop culture is a transient jerk off culture designed to "Amuse" while separating you from your monies and steady emotional control...and into wildlife in its natural habitat. Bewarned of this.

I am not saying to not have emotions.but to have discipline in your emotions. This is in fact what much of adulthood is about. Disciplining your emotions. This is also how I know about your insecurities. If I can spot it ..the women on this thread can most certainly spot it ..miles away in the dark.

Can you see, in porn, which is VERY popular in mainstream society... The female is always in submission to an aggressive 'dominant' male.

You are deceiving and telling on yourself here about the nature of sex/sexuality ...aggression and dominance.

I have spent a number of years in the Orient..in Japan. Do not be deceived into thinking that what appears to be a submissive posture ..is weak and what it appears to be...on the surface. It is often not so...expecially in Sex/sexuality. You obviously do not understand subtilty and its relation to behavior..even in controlling the behaviors of others.

Orangetom