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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 05:51 AM
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as for the argument of 'being boring'...

women don't really need to judge us so much in such a way.

Women do get approached by thousands of men in one lifetime, therefore a man has to compete with all these men? A guy who is probably the least boring guy in one town is the more boring man to a woman.

And, a women need not ever think if she's boring, because guys usually don't care. We're human. Yea there's extreme boringness and maybe that is a little too boring, but I honestly think women have built up an immunity to most men such that it takes an extreme amount of "entertainment" to keep a woman merely tolerant of a man.




posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 05:53 AM
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the thread is still going for the same reason that the problem extremely common. It's like an epidemic...

I'm pretty sure the only reason you are ok is that you found a woman who likes you. It is commonly thought that a person cannot make another do anything. You cannot make a person like you or not, only try to influence but it's still largely a choice that one makes, even if it is an unconscious one. So even if I was the "best" guy in the world, it is still subjective in a way. All I know is that I've done what I can, and no matter what nothing has ever worked and probably will never, because it all depends on her.

ah what am I saying.. I need to take a nap.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 06:25 AM
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you can make them like you, their just creatures like you and me, you can influence them to like you,by building your image,being succesfull or changing how you look act and feel,if that is what they like.
you can even go to some magician and make a love spell to like you.
but in the end do you really need some stupid bimbo to like you just to make you feel macho?
just work on yourself and your goals,and be thankfull to the girls that like you and can have fun talking to you,listening to you and helping you out.

just do something about it,instead of only talking and feeling sorry for yourself.
no girl liked me here,because they were all sluts,but girls from other places love me,and i love them.
yea im selfish,and those sluts need to die and suffer because they didnt like me and i dont care.
now their old and alone, with no one to make them breakfast in bed,they wil try to contact me and pull me down the drain once more,to play with me and start to ignore and humiliate me again.
because they see im happy and im taken....and as far as im concerned,i would like to put them down with a nice shotgun my self.

so look,theres alot of trashy sluts,and alot of trashy idiots, but if you want a real woman to appretiate you,not just some one night stand you gotta care for her too



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Not exactly.. I'd rather see scientific evidence than mere opinion since it has been said that women commonly say one thing and do another.

So you are a self proclaimed "nice guy" who thinks that women not only want abusive men but are also liars so our opinions cannot even be taken seriously?

EVERY post I have posted was not me just "saying one thing and meaning another". You basically said any woman who has posted may have been lieing just because they are women.

Real "nice" that is.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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women tend to be a little more emotional and take things too deeply,so lies,and dramas are bound to rise.
but man can be this way too,i am.
and what about you riley? do you have a nice man,if you have a nice opinion for yourself?



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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yea it's not nice.

I guess... i find it hard to trust though. I've been a bit traumatized...

I guess there are some females I could trust but it's hard for me to...

maybe I don't trust myself?
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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its just well you know. mainstream science does provide a large amt of 'research' into proving that women like bad boys, socially hip men, and who display altruistic behaviors simply because they already don't to prove anything. It still isn't enough for me of course. And scientific research is not the end all be all.

It's still brutal, because not all men can be exceedingly altruistic and yet still have a good heart. What do you want now competition to see who can be more altruist than another? That is definitely going to create deception.

I just know what I've experienced and what I've experienced is negative more than any good. Lies more than than any truth. Can you really blame me? Of course you can, but it's somewhat natural and biological to feel this way. One can only give so much of him/herself.. only as much as they can give because they have (as much) to give in the first place. When you've got nothing at all or it seems like.. well it's really hard to give.

riley.. it's probably much easier for you as well as most women, perhaps, because you all can have a degree of sexual balance. Whereas a guy like me who has none whatsoever at 24, still a virgin. And I'm not Merely talking about sexual intercourse even though that is included. What can you do though, sexual imbalance causes frustration and physical pain. It's not merely mental, it's a physiological imbalance. As for the oil shortage crap that orangetom speaks of.. this is a physical imbalance which causes physical and psychological imbalances. Only a monk who has already established a foundation of the physical to develop the spiritual and mental faculties can he then overcome the physical with his mental. Without that foundation though it's just like expecting a braindead person to think away his braindead-ness. It's like a person who doesn't have enough to eat it can make him/her go crazy, of course being that the person is not a monk who already has established a foundation. It's like an autistic person (and please excuse me for the reference) has an "imbalance", it makes him/her physically "imbalanced". And no riley, I cannot just whack it off. No man or woman can simply masturbate this imbalance off. It does not work.

Yea you dont have to pity men. but I'm just being honest.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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there are thousands of people that are around 20 and a virgin. and yea it sucks but its not so bad.
imagine if you live in a horrible and poor country where everyone around you are rotten and mean.
wouldnt you care more to escape and settle in a nicer place more then to loose your virginity?
you can always pay for sex,but since you didnt got it for so long it would be pretty nice to have it for first time with someone who you really love. im not really saying anything its your decision.

but why do you blame women so much? yea alot of them are brainless,dont follow logic, go and sleep with guys who dump them like dolls,and when they hit 30 they release their too old to get the nice boy that they rejected 10 years ago, big whoop! you cant change that, at 20 they think that way,and only when they get 30 they will know their mistake.
and guess what man are bad too, their not better then women.

why do you keep blaming the bad group of women? its like blaming a killer for killing people.

do you want sex? -> go pay some broad and dont care.
do you want real love and a soulmate? -> go find her and dont treat her like that afcourse.
*work on your future and carreer, and stop filling sorry for your self
*bad women are trash,and they deserve to be badmouthed and made fun of,because their the same trashes that crushed our heart at school and "nice guys" are virgins because of them
because of them nice guys have zits in their face,depress them selfs and spend the best years of their life feeling horrible.
so when you find that special woman that loves you, keep away from other women and insult them, dont let them take you away from her, because their trash.

but that dosnt mean you should moan to your soulmate everyday how angry women feel you,because shes a woman,and its not her fault that you were hurt by some damaged trash skanks

why do you still want to torment yourself and talk about this,keeping this thread going?
when weve giving you advice on what to do to solve the problem?
your not a disinfo agent are you?
if you want to blame women and feel sorry, your the one making it happen.
i dont realy have any more advice.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
riley.. it's probably much easier for you as well as most women, perhaps, because you all can have a degree of sexual balance. Whereas a guy like me who has none whatsoever at 24, still a virgin. And I'm not Merely talking about sexual intercourse even though that is included. What can you do though, sexual imbalance causes frustration and physical pain. It's not merely mental, it's a physiological imbalance. As for the oil shortage crap that orangetom speaks of.. this is a physical imbalance which causes physical and psychological imbalances. It's like a person who doesn't have enough to eat it can make him/her go crazy. It's like an autistic person (and please excuse me for the reference) has an "imbalance", it makes him/her physically "imbalanced". And no riley, I cannot just whack it off. No man or woman can simply masturbate this imbalance off. It does not work.

Yea you dont have to pity men. but I'm just being honest.
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Yes now you seem to be being more honest instead of just blaming women. My advice, aside from "go see a prostitute" is to seek some sort of councelling as it sounds like you may have problems with social anxiety/phobia and establishing healthy friendships with women. Nice or not they will not accept any connection with you if you are carrying around such negative views.. your body language will give you away.

Have you been having problems with being nervous/awkward around women? Do you have trouble just speaking to them comfortably?



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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no, please, i was the same and im probably still somewhat the same, he dosnt need therapy, your just humiliating him, he just needs to socialise more,meet new friends,new girls,to hang out with them.
human mind learns fast,hell be synched in no time.

why do you want him to focus ont he problem and feel even more akward?
he should go to a prostitute,i told him that months ago,and why didnt he do it -_-
why would you want him to go to a therapist instead of this, for a problem that can be fixed by going out with girls a couple of times?
its humiliating for him, it dosnt sound like you want to help him,but to humiliate him more.
even though i know he probably upseted you with his hatred towards woman.

all woman always say
- dont go to a prostitute,save your self for that special one
- dont go to a prostitute, your the problem go seek therapy
WHY>?! because you think someone that can flirt you into a one night stand is cooler and more manly?
if i followed those advices i would be the biggest virgin looser ever!



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Yes I have.. it's just hard when all my life I've been taught that to make an approach on a woman is disrespectful, perverted, deviant, criminal, creepy etc. Then learning that she accepts everything from 'attractive males' who she even just met seconds ago.

Its to the point where I feel like simply being friendly with women, or simply interacting with a female even something that isn't even for 'friends' is being too forward and disrespectful because it makes me feel like I don't have a 'right' or am not 'attractive' enough, or 'worthy'.

At the same time, she says a person who is being really careful like I am not to disrespect her, is boring because I come off as prude, overly serious, etc.

This is one paradox that I haven't been able to get over. Because if I do ask her out, or want to meet up with her she tells me "but I dont know you that much" which of course seems to be a lie, from the countless references I've heard from.. when a women tells you that it means she's simply not interested or doesn't find you attractive, no matter how long you've known her. But another male who she just meets she's all for it.

So but ok, she doesn't want to tell me that she just doesn't find me attractive, but rather would tell me that what I'm doing is wrong, even morally wrong.

If women don't want random men asking her out (even the creepy ones) then maybe they can consider reversing the traditional roles of expecting the man do all the initiating all the talking and "chasing". Because it's far less scary for a woman to approach a man, at least from a man's perspective, since a woman is hardly a threat to a man.

Though I know some women would say that it's risky to approach a male. I know, that I wouldn't judge a female if she approached me. I wouldn't consider her slutty, I would do my best to behave. And hey it can even be a friendly approach. An approach is an approach, men are expected (traditionally anyway) not only to do the approach and initiate when it comes to romance but also for friendships, or simple interactions.

Do you think these roles are patriarchal and/or sexist? Maybe they are?


Would you think that maybe I feel this way because I was once too forward or creepy in a stalkerish way with a woman? Not necessarily, but no I haven't. Maybe seeming desperate in a somewhat serious manner and nervous/being really careful, and therefore a bit on the "creepy?" side but not enough to be the stalker-criminal type.

Also, to approach in the same fashion in public means that people around you see you as making advances toward a woman. That's something I'm afraid of. Whereas other males could care less and mostly because they aren't afraid to be "bad" and even borderline disrespectful, if not disrespectful at least by the criteria of judgement on 'unattractive' type males.

I consider myself "nice" because I know what it is to be too nice with a woman to the point where she finds it boring. But I've only done it out of trying to be respectful to her and to others around her. Call me prude, dumb, or ignorant. Heck you can even say that my virginity makes me ignorant. but I just don't want to be lewd with her.. nor disrespect her, or be deviant.

People are usually only ok with being 'deviant' in the so called "innocent" manner as much as they have been accepted in society when they were being deviant. Since sex is taboo, it requires that men are also considered to be "naughty", which equates with making risk, and the same type of risk as forcing sex(uality) on a woman without consent. That is aggression.

Same as things not having to do with sex, like for example being assertive or affirmative with a woman. it usually equates to many men as being aggressive since assertiveness is not as "manly" as aggression?

That's why many guys are nice.

That's why women consider nice guys boring.

But I need to read over one of my previous posts on the sciencedaily article of women preferring prestige over aggression/dominance.

They said the same type of aggression found in sports is not the same type of aggression she finds to be attractive in romance. Which means what, she expects men to be aggressive with other men, but assertive with women or just in romance?

This can cause quite confusion as a woman commonly judges a man based on how he's able to be assertive or aggressive in real life situations to determine whether she wants to be with him romantically (ie in bed). And then you know all those conversations people have about women wanting it rough in bed.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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i think im done here
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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Its to the point where I feel like simply being friendly with women, or simply interacting with a female even something that isn't even for 'friends' is being too forward and disrespectful because it makes me feel like I don't have a 'right' or am not 'attractive' enough, or 'worthy'.


So if it's all about confidence, how can one expect me to be so confident? What if it's considered arrogance?

And no stillalive, I have not been perverted, stalkerish, criminal, sexually harrassing, etc. so it's not a reason as to why I feel that way. It's because society makes me feel that way, it's because the genders as whole makes me feel that any approach on a woman whether it be merely interaction to the more romantic, is considered to be be deceptive, forward, perverted, stalkerish, etc. if I'm not attractive enough.

It's possible that women have just built up a defense mechanism against normal men such that only the most highly attractive are acceptable for them. I mean seriously... they get appraoched by hundreds of men at least in a lifetime.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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No, a lot of them do tell u to go see a prostitute or escort, and a therapist. Because we have to pay to just talk to someone. Heck I might not even have sex with the prostitute I would just want an intimate experience. Just someone to share with and talk to.

So they would tell me to go see these but then look down on me for doing so. It only teaches me too that ultimately I need to pay hefty amounts for all of these seemingly innocent things instead of simply being myself, being human.

But then you say it's all about the area you are in and the type of girl in the area. Maybe it is but darn that sux lol. It's not really my area then and not for some distance even.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Once again due to time constraints I have missed several pages of this thread. For some reason this thread seems to be moving rapidly after sitting dormant for some time though not much is being resolved or even calmed.

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I dont understand this.. you're defending her?

She's basically saying that ALL nice guys are of one type, and they are no good. So there are no good nice guys?

You may have mistaken her sarcarsm.


Quiet Storm,

I don't think you get it at all. You are hooked on this nice guy/good guy template. You seem to have a difficult time comprehending something about the thinking of most women. They are not interested in nice guys per se...they are interested in Men. Men and nice guys/good guys are not the same thing.
I believe this is why you are having so much difficulty. Women or females see your rendition of nice guys/good guys and turn about to go the other way.
I can reasonably say I don't blame them. If this is your tack..it would send warning bells galore to most women or females.

As to bored...I find this alot among both females and males today. I don't have much use or respect for either gender who bore easily. They are high maintenance...both of them. This is a template I tend to identify quickly.

If you have ever been in an environment where you have had to literally scramble for your life and safety...boring is just fine.

Only total brainwashing and ignorance can push a person to think that boring is a fate worse than death.
Public education standards at work.

Garzok,

Pardon me for not being literate in the movie/television/video game genre and hence I have no idea who is the individual in your avatar. I will pass on any comments on your avatar and I also don't think it is important to the topic line. Sorry Garzok. I have long ago given up on basing certain judgements on peoples avatars as it is often not accurately indicative of how people think.or analyze the world around them.

Edrick,


You must not have noticed the part where you all HAVE been ganging up on him.

You see, this is what I see....


I haven't seen people here ganging up on TQS. I've seen TQS make some astonishing admissions and then post some astonishing views and people have attempted to correct him and been rejected. No problem by me ..being rejected. since I am not the one driving TQS's bus...he is. He bears the responsibility and results for his driving skills so he had better man up.
It matters not to me. Disagreement is not ganging up. And this is a debate forum Agreement is not necessary here. Disagreement is allowed. We try to not let it become vulgar or outside the TC but disagreement is not ganging up.

Your reply to Riley,


Shill? Who's shill am I then?


Feminism's


While I am not defending Riley and Riley certainly does not need me to defend them I offer this line of thinking.

The Quiet Storm, in their infirmity, is more feminine than Riley. Pardon the crudity but Riley has a bigger pair hanging than does The Quiet Storm. No offense intended here to you Riley.

And by the very nature of much of womanhood ..women tend to find this pattern offensive...that they should have a bigger pair than a male. They may find it useful at times that they have a bigger pair than a male but at the same time offensive..in a male. Most women/females I have ever known are not interested in underwriting a males insecurities/maintenance costs at their expense. It is not socially acceptable to most of them.
This is a long winded way of stating as to what Riley and others are alluding.

I do not believe The Quiet Storm fully comprehends what this means and implies in women/females and the relationship to why they tend to turn away from him. Once again ..no problem with me on this. The Quiet Storm is certainly welcome to spend their career in the classroom while the rest of us are out here in the world solving problems and taking RISKS..male and female both.


No-one forced you to come here and attempt (poorly) shame someone into Silence.


LOL LOL LOL Edrick,
Obviously it has not worked as TQS does not know when to get out of the classroom and is still attempting to teach class to those who have been out here in the world and among the "wildlife." And I am still on page 30.

You are not rescuing anyone here Edrick from their inabilities. You are handicapping them.

Doc Strangecraft,

Hello to you and your house. I agree with what you post about Nice Guys and every woman who ever broke up with you. They just had other plans. Indeed.

If one is going to be a man in this world ..get used to rejection/difficulties. I am not saying to have a career in it but indeed learn by it and alter your course when necessary.

Edrick Again,


Negative, Putting on false airs of Brauvada is reserved exclusivley for the Deceptive, Psychopathic personalities.

Nice guys are not Deceptive, their Malicious Counterparts are, and they attempt to Box these NICE guys into an isolated corner of a lack of companionship.


Ever listen to a politician speak?? How about the groups behind politicians ..their controllers??? They often portray themselves as nice and having the public interest in mind. We are talking about social relationship politics here. What are you thinking Edrick??? Or are you??
Edrick..you would not make a good politician though you seem to be trying here to rescue The Quiet Storm on the public purse strings...by getting the rest of us to allow TQS to politically default through.
Do you have a rescue complex?? You know..for the underdog..or what you perceive as the underdog??

TQS has a self imposed underdog status and seems to be unawares of this pattern. As I stated..they can choose to remain in the classroom. No problem by me.


They are Buying a decidedly different Image, aren't they?


The girls/women buying into that image can be left right where they are at..just like TQS. No problem by me.


Hardly... you are saying that NICE guys are Psychopathic, Deceptive, and Malicious persons.

Buy we already have scientific PROOF that women PREFER deceptive, psychopathic personalities.

So, if what you are saying is true, and these NICE guys are indeed DECEPTIVE and Psychopathic, then they would be getting more action... wouldn't they?


You are making a quantum assumption here. The first one is that women/females go by scientific proof. Not so by a long shot. They go by peer group and socialization pressures. Experience. In this case it is often by female socialization pressures which is in and of itself a long way from scientific rationalizations. Which would explain why TQS has problems in their results versus scientific polling analysis. TQS and science are pissing into the wind here. Pardon the crudity but it shows in their posts.

I can assure you that most women can spot a male slug much faster than a male can spot a female slug. No matter how the slug is packaged. You don't need an expensive scientific study to determine this.


Being NICE enough to treat others with kindness doesn't automatically make you deceptive.


Stop it Edrick. "Nice" also does not make one automatically pass muster...by default. Which is that to which most of the women here are stating but in another manner.


So why do you attempt to destroy their confidence so much?


Incredible Edrick!! You are serious about this question???? I don't think you understand it any better than TQS!!??

Are you getting it Riley??

Are you sure you can pass muster here yourself Edrick?? LOL LOL..wait a minute..ok....you are being sarcastic here..right???

Bear with me here..it has been 12 hour nights all this week. Borderline burn out here. Nonetheless at face value your question here is astonishing.


Oh, ok... so what you are saying, is that anyone who is NICE, is automatically a Frail weakling with no personality, as well as a total bore?


While Riley and I disagree on many things, I don't believe this is what she is saying at all. Frail and weakling to many women is not boring..it is unsuitable, insufficient, unable to pass muster. This and boring are not the same thing. While the "shopping" method and etiquette of women/females offers alot of variety in what is required...mature women know the difference..not by scientific polling or studies but by experience and peer group communications...ie..female socialization communications. And certain communications are way more critical in female social structures than in male structures.


That's quite an underhanded attack, isn't it?


Edrick,

I like to think you are grown. I believe you can do better than this. I don't think it is an underhanded attack at all. I think it is those social standards or even non standards at work. It is up to us to learn them and also learn to overcome these or determine not to play or conversely play..how much a man/male will cede or lead in playing. But either way..to be responsible for the results. Not whiny or power hungry but to Lead..always to Lead.

This world out here is a minefield for those not well grounded. It is up to us to learn. If you want to teach others ..no problem. But the basis on which you are won't to teach here or Rescue TQS is not a good basis. It may seem so to you..but I don't think TQS is very capable of learning or stepping outside the classroom. In this lack..mature/intuitive women will find TQS frightful and full of warning flags. They may be doomed to remain so in the classroom while others step out into the world and take risks, rejection, and finally success in reaching their goals in life. And I am not just talking about sex here. ..or Nice guys. Good grief..what a pitiful concept.

Super Slovack has the same or similar problem back at the beginning of this thread so many pages ago.



You might think it’s cliché but real life experience and analysis points to its validity.


Source Please.


If Riley will accept ..I will gladly vouch for her point of view and as a source in this validity.

Orangetom tips his hat to Riley in this. " I would be honored Ma'am!!"



Because as far as I can tell... you seem to use the word NICE as a General Attack against people who you would rather not see having relationships.


Wow Edrick. This is very imaginative on this thread. Even original..congratulations. Riley is not going to be able to help or desist in TQS's relationship problem. Riley has nothing to do with it. ..nor is responsible for any of it. TQS is carrying their own water here..not you, not me nor Riley or anyone else. Thinking people know this and can see through your tack. Astonishing.

You seem to be in the lost puppy business here. Astonishing.

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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Wow. I can't believe that you went there. Paris Hilton? Really?


Wow slow down there red raving rabbit person by the moniker of edrick, What do you have against paris hilton? sure she ain't the most interesting or sharpest female out there, or even close to being such, but she does have some good advice on what women really want, without all that touchy feel'y thing most females tell you when asked.



So, they DON'T EXIST, but, they DO at the same time?


Yes what is so hard to understand about that, nice guys exist and don't exist at the same time. Just thing of it as just another organism in a bowl, just trying to do its thing. Nice is just one of many of the human qualities. Some like it some don't, end of story.



Then why do we consider them Equals? Why do we let them VOTE?


I consider them as what they are, from as many perspectives as I can see, and no none of us are equal, but we are individuals, so they are the female gender, just as they are girls or women. And why not let them vote, there are just as many ditzy men out there, that would have no clue about any politics at all. And also since when has voting really mattered in the scope of things, especially according to this site, but of course its all just opinions just like on the political sites they thing it's the messiah and the next best thing since slice bread.



Yeah... it's like they think that Life is some Divine Gift that is given to them JUST BECAUSE THEY EXIST. As opposed to having to go through the Trials and Tribulations that men do. Having no Hurdles to pass through in life, they have no respect for CONSEQUENCES... and thus, their DECISIONS are based upon a FALSE PERCEPTION OF REALITY, as opposed to EXPERIENCING reality. So, why are we letting them VOTE, if they do not, LIKE MEN, have to cross the threshold of actually TRYING to fetch their own happiness?


I admit, being papered in such a way does leave you at a disadvantage when the papering goes away. And I'am sure that not all women are as papered or have as many options, as even I would like to think they do. And even if they do, all things will come to an end some day, and the gravity of the situation will dawn on them no matter who they are. So if I had a daughter I would not teach her to be a doll on a pedestal, even if she was..... I'f I were you I would worry more about the papered rich people in politics who don't live in reality and make the rules that you would have to live by, then women and there options of getting a man to do it, just because they can. Like I said all thing's change eventually.



Exactly.. so Those who are perfectly FINE with Crafting ILLUSIONS about themselves are the ones who have the most success with relationships.

And, those who end up BELIEVING their own Self Crafted Illusions will be the most Successful at entering relationships.

This is known as Psychopathy.


Illusions that are shared, are reality to those that share it, that is the secret to successful relationships. None of us have the same wants or needs or even illusions. You would be best to forget about some things and just move on and live life. Women are all about playing pretend if you have not noticed, why ruin there game, unless you have a strong reason, its just a waste of time.



Psychopathy ( /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal. The publication of DSM-III changed the name of this mental disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.[3] However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of Antisocial Personality Disorder to "Antisocial/Psychopathic Type", with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior.[4] The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder, its 1992 manual including Dissocial (Antisocial) Personality Disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities.[5]

Psychopathy seems to imply not being normal, and it's definition changes depending on your source, but they all agree to it meaning being not being normal. So what exactly is this "normal" thing that we all are supposed to be, I have never seen it, even the ones that are supposedly normal, just weren't looked at close enough.



Since women do not have to EARN any of their "Rights", they inevitably start to think of themselves as Perfect, or Divine.

I doubt that they think that highly of themselves, and even if they did I wouldn't classify them all as thinking like that, not all would have that option even if they wanted it.




And those men who craft illusions around themselves, tend to RESONATE with this False perception of reality in Women, THUS, their Lies connect.... they have Sex....

Illusions that we share are reality, until at least reality burst there bubble reality. How many realities are of an all encompassing scope, and how many are just a bubble of the mind that we create, even between two people in love or just lust? They wanted what they got, even if what they got was not what they expected it to be like. Be careful what you wish for.



And the World Dies a little bit, choked by its own....

No the world moves on, you just need to look in different places, everything is always in motion, even if you don't see it. Who really care's about some dipsnizles anyways why become so obsessed by it.



This is why the Western world is Collapsing before our Eyes.... because THROUGH RELATIONSHIPS we (as a society) have come to ACCEPT Lies *AS* truth.

Truth...Lies....all that is perspective, and so is relationships of any kind.



Thus, Those who are HONEST about who they are, are EXCLUDED from Relationships, and thus, the Self Esteem that goes with them.

Those who are honest with themselves will be attracted to like people. And those who are dishonest with themselves will attract like people. If you feel this strongly about something why even bother with it, just move on. If the shoe does not fit you must a-quit.



Thus, the most CONFIDENT and SELF ASSURED of us, are those who cannot differentiate FANTASY from REALITY....

Bingo...reality as many know it is just a self assured reality that we know. Confidence is a fake truth that works, as long as it's not tested and probed to deeply




And they end up thinking that you can save an Economy, by Printing Money. Because they do not understand Value.

You live you learn, it's the best kind of lesson. Booksmarts or any other way of learning is really overrated.



LOL! that is PRECISELY the problem... people in the Western world think that money *IS* power.... Just like the Government of Zimbabwe did, before their currency inflated something like 10 million percent in a few weeks.

I have never seen a man or woman that didn't like money, or more money if they could get it. Have you? It's in our natures so why do you think it wouldn't be in females and there nature, and in all it's just a fact of life that chicks dig dude's with money, no matter what they tell you.



Look... the problem with relationships, is the Problem with your Economies.

I agree with you since a lot of relationships that end end because of economics just as much as any other fact including that they just don't get along.



One cannot EAT lies.... Even Self deceptive ones. It does not WORK, Ask the Roman Emperor.... Oh, wait, you can't... There IS NO LONGER A ROMAN EMPIRE. Their women Got uppity Also, and they CAVED into their Emotional Demands.... There was no longer any incentive for any man to work on ANY ENDEAVOR, except Chasing Women.

Well if your a rich bankster you sure can eat on the lies you told, But yes there were better schemes out there and the roman emperors can attest to that, if they were alive and not gone and forgotten. And what makes you think the roman empire fell, nothing really dies, all matter is just recycled and reborn. And uppity women are not the worst thing out there in any society.



So, Like I said Before.... I'm going to do you a Favor. Take all of your WOMEN, and send them to CHINA. Because THEY are the ones who are currently SUPPORTING YOUR ENTIRE SOCIETY. And I hear that women LIKE Men who are good Providers.

I have no women to send, and I don't think you will get them to go over there, but some would go if the incentive's are right. I don't know you'r better off asking a woman and not me, how easy they have it here in the great ol us of a.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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It's really a lie that women want money.

Everybody like's money, women are not special.... I wouldn't be lying if I said women are looking for dudes with money, and I wouldn't be lying if I said that women are not looking for dudes who are all about the money. Money is just a condition of life in this age, so it's not a lie, it just is.



Women want Lying psychopathic, impulsive, deceptive, self obsessed/narcissistic men. It's not money they're looking for, because in the first place it takes degree of these above qualities to even become successful in some way, with women or other things. Yes it's true.

Interesting, but you assume that women want lying psychopathic, impulsive,deceptive,self obsessed/narcissistic men. I presume that there would be females out there that would look for those qualities, but I wouldn't think it's all.
And if you were Lying psychopathic, impulsive, deceptive, self obsessed/narcissistic man. Im pretty sure you could be successful in life, in some jobs I'm pretty sure that it is exactly the degree of qualities they are looking for, and I'm sure that some females would be attracted to that. After all aren't you whinning that females seem to go for the bad boy.




Virtue, qualities, real value etc. in this world, although in some spiritual societies gives a person legitimacy, over here it's about "material successes" and since it's about money the only way to get money in this world is to be aggressive. Not assertive, assertiveness is only reserved for a utopian society, but aggression

Aggressive, assertive, whatever. What you got to understand is that not everybody is like you, and not everybody would be attracted to the things you think they would be attracted to, some even if they said they were.



Therefore what is all comes down to, is women and men seeing that women really only want money, but that is not really true. There are many men without the money, but there are far more 'bad boys' who don't have money that get the women simply because they are 'bad'. In essence it's not about money, it ultimately comes down to being bad.

If you say so, I guess you just proved my point that everybody's got there thing.



An ancient conflicted past has engineered the human being to biologically thrive on conflict through the "normal" sexual response. I say normal in quotations because it's really the most common sexual response. As opposed to others like tantric sex, karezza, consumate love etc. Even so, it only evolved into the human experience starting with to keep the man and woman together to raise children through pair-bonding. Though with tantra, karezza and consumate love we can work around the "normal" sexual response which is based on fear. Otherwise the normal sexual response would only support human conflict and therefore continue breeding it since it thrives on conflict. The other sex responses which aren't as common thrives on the opposite.

Whatever works for you dude, but most people chose and stick to what they know, and what they know they call normal, because it is there comfort zone, this is especially true with women. Maybe your just not normal enough for these women you keep whining about, in fact I would wager that the bad boys you talk about that these females go for are the normal ones to them, and you are the not normal, therefore not in there comfort zone. So you see a bad boy is just code word in female speak, for "i think i get him, and even change him". Nothing bad, about these bad boys.
Now you I'm sure would make them uneasy, if you get what I'm saying.



Women might say that they like the nice guy, but not through the "normal/most common" sexual response... They may not like the bad boy, but through the "normal/common" sexual response they are unconsciously attracted to them.

You are one funny dude, women say lots of things, and might say lots of things, but I'm pretty sure they know what they like and want and what they don't want, whatever that might be. Don't be discouraged I am sure there is a female out there who is as confusing as you out there, who would know what you are talking about, but I don't think it would be the ones that are attracted to these bad boys, you say are bad.
Peace out.



posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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but I don't think that every guy out there who considers himself at least a little bit nice, enough to have it be a part of his personality, has been broken up with specifically because of how nice he is.


You must have missed the Article where SCIENCE tells us otherwise...

Here it is Again.

(Words go from left to Right.)


Bad boys, it seems, really do get all the girls. Women might claim they want caring, thoughtful types but scientists have discovered what they really want – self-obsessed, lying psychopaths.

A study has found that men with the "dark triad" of traits – narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness – are likely to have a larger number of sexual affairs.

www.independent.co.uk...



Oh, are you speaking about someone in particular?


Yes.


Care to Elucidate?


I was referring to the idea that if these so-called nice guys decided to all of a sudden become rude and neglectful towards women, they would be acting macho, and bitter. I'm not saying that these nice guys who are getting dumped all over the place are all macho jerks, just the ones who decide to ignore phone calls/see multiple women at a time.


That paragraph contained absolutely no logic at all.

The title of this thread IS: (Again)

Why do women break up with nice guys?


So, you are somehow saying that Nice Guys who have trouble with women, are somehow also, SIMULTANEOUSLY, Loaded down with so much Female attention as to .... What exactly?

Go on multiple dates?

Did you think about your post at all before you hit the Reply button?


Trespassing is a pretty big bummer, and shouldn't be taken lightly.


Yes, I agree.

-Edrick



posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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You must not have noticed the part where you all HAVE been ganging up on him.

You see, this is what I see....


I haven't seen people here ganging up on TQS. I've seen TQS make some astonishing admissions and then post some astonishing views and people have attempted to correct him and been rejected.


Oh, that's Ironic, because I have seen you make some astonishing admissions, and then post some astonishing views, and I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CORRECT YOU... and my corrections have ALSO been rejected by you.

Funny, ain't it?


He bears the responsibility and results for his driving skills so he had better man up.


Yeah, that's the problem..... He also bears the responsibility for ANY women who happens to be in his life, as if she is not capable of being Truly Equal.


It matters not to me. Disagreement is not ganging up. And this is a debate forum Agreement is not necessary here. Disagreement is allowed. We try to not let it become vulgar or outside the TC but disagreement is not ganging up.


It is when you start telling people to "Man Up" (by taking what you say as Axiomatic Truth), as opposed to being FINE with them having their own opinion, and saving the Petty insults for your private time.



No-one forced you to come here and attempt (poorly) shame someone into Silence.


LOL LOL LOL Edrick,
Obviously it has not worked as TQS does not know when to get out of the classroom and is still attempting to teach class to those who have been out here in the world and among the "wildlife." And I am still on page 30.


So, you are calling TQS someone who never gets out of the house, eh?

You really don't see your Insults, do you?


You are not rescuing anyone here Edrick from their inabilities. You are handicapping them.


I'm trying to save your society.... you are rejecting my assistance, because you ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING, merely because you are HAPPY with your life.

Well, so are Tyrants, and Slave masters.

Your economy will not last long at this rate.



Negative, Putting on false airs of Brauvada is reserved exclusivley for the Deceptive, Psychopathic personalities.

Nice guys are not Deceptive, their Malicious Counterparts are, and they attempt to Box these NICE guys into an isolated corner of a lack of companionship.


Ever listen to a politician speak?? How about the groups behind politicians ..their controllers???
They often portray themselves as nice and having the public interest in mind.


I'm sure that you FEEL That you had a point in that response... but you just *AGREED* with what I have been saying.

People that ARE nice, are slanted... while people who ACT nice, but DO LIE, are given the reins of society...

Honestly, Did you even think about this response?

I mean, all you did was hurt your own argument.....


Edrick..you would not make a good politician though you seem to be trying here to rescue The Quiet Storm on the public purse strings...by getting the rest of us to allow TQS to politically default through.
Do you have a rescue complex?? You know..for the underdog..or what you perceive as the underdog??


A... "Rescue Complex"....?

What are you babbling about now?


TQS has a self imposed underdog status and seems to be unawares of this pattern. As I stated..they can choose to remain in the classroom. No problem by me.


And you have a self imposed "I'm better than everyone" status, and seem to be unawares of this pattern.


See? I can make up Bull[snip] phrases that mean absolutely nothing also.

Really... did you put the word "Status" behind your made up word, to give it a hint of authority or something?

Like the guy on the Commercials who wears a Lab-Coat, selling you snake oil?



Hardly... you are saying that NICE guys are Psychopathic, Deceptive, and Malicious persons.

Buy we already have scientific PROOF that women PREFER deceptive, psychopathic personalities.

So, if what you are saying is true, and these NICE guys are indeed DECEPTIVE and Psychopathic, then they would be getting more action... wouldn't they?


You are making a quantum assumption here. The first one is that women/females go by scientific proof.


Man, your responses are getting more and more detached from reality.

We are talking about OBSERVING the behaviors of women....

Not Publishing Pamphlets, and then expecting women to FOLLOW THEIR GUIDELINES.

*DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW SCIENCE WORKS?*

WHAT ABOUT CAUSALITY??

APPARENTLY NOT!


They go by peer group and socialization pressures.


YES, that is MY POINT!

And we KNOW THIS, because it is EVIDENT, meaning that it has been OBSERVED, meaning that this is KNOWLEDGE, and SCIENCE = KNOWLEDGE.

Wow man... I mean, just WOW.


Experience. In this case it is often by female socialization pressures which is in and of itself a long way from scientific rationalizations.


OH God.... How EXACTLY do you KNOW THIS?

PLEASE, enlighten me...


Which would explain why TQS has problems in their results versus scientific polling analysis.


And this sentence has absolutely no basis in reality at all.


TQS and science are pissing into the wind here. Pardon the crudity but it shows in their posts.


And this is an attack with no basis in Reality *ALSO*

I can smell your desperation.


I can assure you that most women can spot a male slug much faster than a male can spot a female slug. No matter how the slug is packaged. You don't need an expensive scientific study to determine this.


*WHO ARE YOU CALLING A SLUG?*



Being NICE enough to treat others with kindness doesn't automatically make you deceptive.


Stop it Edrick. "Nice" also does not make one automatically pass muster...by default. Which is that to which most of the women here are stating but in another manner.


YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY RESPOND TO WHAT I SAID.

And what do you mean by "Pass Muster"?

I see you using a lot of UNDEFINED words that have no basis in reality, as if you are afraid of having a LOGICAL POSITION that can be critiqued.

You seem to want to use Vague assumptions as argumentative points, as opposed to Logic.



So why do you attempt to destroy their confidence so much?


Incredible Edrick!! You are serious about this question???? I don't think you understand it any better than TQS!!??

Are you getting it Riley??

Are you sure you can pass muster here yourself Edrick?? LOL LOL..wait a minute..ok....you are being sarcastic here..right???

Bear with me here..it has been 12 hour nights all this week. Borderline burn out here. Nonetheless at face value your question here is astonishing.


Are you going to RESPOND TO MY QUESTION, or are you going to continue to Misdirect?



Oh, ok... so what you are saying, is that anyone who is NICE, is automatically a Frail weakling with no personality, as well as a total bore?


While Riley and I disagree on many things, I don't believe this is what she is saying at all.


Well, that is SUPER GOOD and everything, but THAT was a Reply to Namine, Not Riley....

So... try again.

(YOU need more sleep, apparently)


Frail and weakling to many women is not boring..it is unsuitable, insufficient, unable to pass muster.


So, guys who are NICE, are Frail and Weak, is that it?

And what is this "Muster" that you keep saying that they do not pass?

Are you ever going to DEFINE your words?

Or are you going to stay safely outside the realms of LOGIC?


This and boring are not the same thing.


And your presumption that NICE = Frail and Weak is also quite telling of your motivations to Attack.

STOP THIS.


While the "shopping" method and etiquette of women/females offers alot of variety in what is required...mature women know the difference..not by scientific polling or studies but by experience and peer group communications


God, your ignorance of Scientific method, NOT TO MENTION Cause and EFFECT, is Stifling.

Are you really presuming that I think, that WOMEN READ SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS TO SEE WHAT THEY SHOULD DO?

Get your head screwed on straight man.... Get it TOGETHER!

Science STUDIES what women DO, it does not TELL THEM what they should do...

Honestly.... Did you even pay attention in School?



That's quite an underhanded attack, isn't it?


Edrick,

I like to think you are grown.


No, you like to think that I am a weak willed Coward who will not Call you out for your Blatant Attacks.

And I assure you, I am not that guy.

This is an example of an Indirect Attack....

Like So:


Edrick,

I like to think you are grown.



I like to think that you have more than a single braincell in your head



I believe you can do better than this.



I believe that you can be smarter than this



I don't think it is an underhanded attack at all.



I don't think it is an underhanded attack at all.



I think it is those social standards or even non standards at work.


And that doesn't even mean anything.


It is up to us to learn them and also learn to overcome these or determine not to play or conversely play..how much a man/male will cede or lead in playing. But either way..to be responsible for the results. Not whiny or power hungry but to Lead..always to Lead.


THEN WHY DO YOU LET THEM VOTE, IF THEY ARE CAPABLE OF NOTHING BUT FOLLOWING?


This world out here is a minefield for those not well grounded. It is up to us to learn. If you want to teach others ..no problem.


...... Then you should start learning.

And FAST.


But the basis on which you are won't to teach here or Rescue TQS is not a good basis.


I'm not here to Rescue Him...

I'm here to Rescue *YOU*


It may seem so to you..but I don't think TQS is very capable of learning or stepping outside the classroom.


It may seem so to you..but I don't think *YOU* are very capable of learning or stepping outside the classroom.


In this lack..mature/intuitive women will find TQS frightful and full of warning flags.


How much longer are you going to assume that you know *ONE THING* about his personality, demeanor, or Behaviors outside of this forum?


They may be doomed to remain so in the classroom while others step out into the world and take risks, rejection, and finally success in reaching their goals in life.


You are not even Trying to listen to me.

All you are trying to do is Assert your opinion as GOSPEL.

STOP IT.



Because as far as I can tell... you seem to use the word NICE as a General Attack against people who you would rather not see having relationships.


Wow Edrick. This is very imaginative on this thread. Even original..congratulations. Riley is not going to be able to help or desist in TQS's relationship problem. Riley has nothing to do with it. ..nor is responsible for any of it. TQS is carrying their own water here..not you, not me nor Riley or anyone else. Thinking people know this and can see through your tack. Astonishing.


Postulate:

Confidence is Essential for men to have for Successful relationships

True or False (You picked True, unless you want to be Ignorant)

So, Are these underhanded insults HELPFUL, or HARMFUL to that Confidence?

Answer YES OR NO ONLY.

No misdirection, No Distraction, No lengthy paragraphs of meaningless Filler.

YES - OR - NO.


You seem to be in the lost puppy business here. Astonishing.


You seem to be in the ignorant Ape buisiness here. Astonishing.

-Edrick (You are Boring me)
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Wow. I can't believe that you went there. Paris Hilton? Really?


Wow slow down there red raving rabbit person by the moniker of edrick, What do you have against paris hilton? sure she ain't the most interesting or sharpest female out there, or even close to being such, but she does have some good advice on what women really want, without all that touchy feel'y thing most females tell you when asked.


Of all of the Female Humans on the PLANET... you picked Paris Hilton.... Why?

I mean, She is not exactly the embodiment of a Quality Woman.



So, they DON'T EXIST, but, they DO at the same time?


Yes what is so hard to understand about that, nice guys exist and don't exist at the same time. Just thing of it as just another organism in a bowl, just trying to do its thing. Nice is just one of many of the human qualities. Some like it some don't, end of story.



Women are all about playing pretend if you have not noticed, why ruin there game, unless you have a strong reason, its just a waste of time.




Psychopathy ( /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.


Psychopathy seems to imply not being normal



I doubt that they think that highly of themselves, and even if they did I wouldn't classify them all as thinking like that, not all would have that option even if they wanted it.



Illusions that we share are reality, until at least reality burst there bubble reality.



Truth...Lies....all that is perspective



Bingo...reality as many know it is just a self assured reality that we know. Confidence is a fake truth that works, as long as it's not tested and probed to deeply



Booksmarts or any other way of learning is really overrated.






-Edrick (You and me, We're done... Professionally)
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