This is a demonstration in England being denied to us by the Police

Originally posted by Essan
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But these people are anarchists, have no consideration whatsoever for law or indeed for anyone but themselves, and deliberately act in a manner which they know to be illegal with the specific intent of drawing police attention - so that they can then claim police brutality.

It's a bit like playing music in your house very loudly every night, making your neighbour complain, so that you yourself can then say your neighbour is hassling you.

Okay, so maybe the police should ignore such selfish idiots. But they are there to uphold the law, and it's not for them to decide whether or not to turn a 'blind eye'.

I say well done to them. And as for the protestors: b*gger off to Russia if you like extreme socialism so much.

You obviously have a thorough knowledge of the subjects you write about. So first , they are Anarchists, then, they should go to Socialist Russia. Have you even bothered to check if you were not writting utter non-sense? Well , you should, because you are.

BTW, in case you do not know, Anarchism , is a word derived from the ancient greek, and means 'without leader' , not without order. Anarchists are not selfish idiots. If anything , they are the opposite, since Anarchism aims to be, from the best you can do, to the other greatest necessity.

Well, at least you do know that Russia (you probably mean the Soviet Union...) was Socialist, not Communist, that's a step in the right way.

Things are getting bad for both parties - it's not just the citizens. I'm seeing more and more baby faced police around full of angst and a deluded sense of authority who are getting angry and throwing their weight around. I'm also seeing more and more verbal protests but no physical action and certainly no real outcome.

When will people realise that the police are victims of this cancerous, viral "system" too? They are enforcing something which is leeching away their rights as well as our own - police become us when they're off the clock you know.

We need to discover, attack and destroy the brain of the problem rather than the muscle because muscle just grows back harder. If only we could see these pathetic, grimy little men who run things instead of overly paid scapegoats ready to take a fall and "retire" when things get bad.

In short - from what I've seen and indeed experienced nothing is going to be done. Too few will take action until it actually affects them PERSONALLY and when the required amount of people have been affected PERSONALLY it will probably be too late. Thank god we all die eventually eh.

In a way this is a good thing because more and more people are waking up to the fact that there may be a slight possibility that the government and indeed police are not actually on our side and perhaps that they are a law unto themselves. When more and more people start to protest as the grip tightens how will they respond? I believe this is the shape of things to come. Excellent thread deservedly flagged and starred

reply to post by jmlima


Thanks for clearing up the thoroughly muddy waters of anarchy for all of us there jmlima.

In fact, thank you very much for your interpretation of anarchy - unfortunately it is not that simple. Anarchy means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, and that includes philosophers et al.

How about you give us your opinion on the actual OP rather than embarking upon an assassination mission against the membership.

Police today are just murdering thungs. Its amazing when you look at that vid, of how many people, there are compared to the police, lol.

Just reminds me of how the few control the many. It was so easy for them to take out rights away.

Typical of the police here in the UK, you have a peaceful protest about something and the police come down heavy handed on yo *ss, rob an old lady and either hospitalise or kill her and your arrested then released due to lack of evidence or not even caught. What the Liverpudlians should do when they have another go at the weekend is post ads all over the area of any pictures they got of this debacle with the headlines 'protecting the public ? from itself?' or what they should do is 'peacefully' (of course) protest , then when the police come to 'break up the masses' if any police officer touches you fall down and scream in 'agony' till your blue in the face, have a 'friend' confirm that the officer 'assaulted' you then sue them to blue buggery and back.
Or if you don't want to go down that particular route is state clearly , firmly but NOT agressively that the officer is invading your 'personal bubble' and is making you emotionally scared, uncomfortable etc, you seem to get more in compensation for 'emotional' distress these days than physical injuries .
Try not to rub the officers noses in it as they'll just stop and bar all protests in that area, also the protesters need to get the local 'rag' papers involved to 'observe' , The Sun likes to sensationalise police brutality so get them to send a reporter up.
My word of advice for the protesters... Keep your nose clean , and if they so much as even touch you , sue them. Failing that even a look can be threatening , so if an officer looks in your direction call distress and anxiety , fall over and foam ( bicarb tabs are good for that) at the mouth and claim emotional damages...
How I'd laugh if the whole mass did that when the narcs turned up and started hassling the protesters, watch them squirm infront of the papers photographers as they have to call a couple of dozen ambulances for panic and anxiety attack victims, but before you do that , please pay heed that you may be taking away emergency crews from real emergencies.

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Physical protest will accomplish nothing but turning the general public against you.

I have to question your intention because of your suggestion. Most people know that a physical protest hurts any group's image. If your object is to get information out to the public and gain more support for your cause, why would you want to alienate a majority of people by become a "threatening" and "disruptive" group in the eye of public opinion?

It's a bad idea and will diminish the cause for which one fights.

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Originally posted by mr-lizard
However, recently we have seen the harassment of activists on a weekly basis from the police during the Capital of Culture year

This is the reason for the heavy-handedness by the authorities...Liverpool must be presented as a corporate-cultural friendly city at all costs during the 'year of culture' and any investment-presentations and capital expenditure to generate those returns must be securely protected and enforced

Absolutely ridiculous...
Those cops should be ashamed of themselves.
The guy who hands his I.D. to the cop should be as well, he is only helping to empower them.
This is off topic but I can recall a night walking home from a friends house late at night. (in the U.S.)

A cop stopped me and said "show me your license"
I said, I'm not driving you don't need it.
He said "fine show me your state I.D."
I said, I dont have one.
I asked why he stopped me and why I needed to show identification.
He said "We I.D. anyone we find walking this late at night."
I asked, Is this nazi germany?
He got very angry and said "Keep pushing me and you'll get a ride to jail."
I said, But I live in the other direction, and you have no right to arrest me I haven't done anything wrong.
He said "You'll be charged with resisting arrest"
I said, O I'm under arrest?
He said "No"
So I quickly followed with, So your threatening to arrest me for resisting arrest when I'm not actually under arrest?
His face turned three shades of red, I could see the veins popping out on his forehead, he rolled up his window and left.

The point of this story (and sorry to go off topic) Is that police now have this holier than thou attitude, they think they can arrest you for not submitting to their ILLEGAL requests or demands.
This is unacceptable.
These people are civil servants.
I thought this arrogant attitude among police was confined to the U.S.
I'm saddened to see that it's more wide spread than I feared.
These arrogant bastards need a taste of their own medicine.
They need to have their guns, badges, and weapons confiscated.
They need to be placed under citizen's arrest and charged with violating our rights and harrassment.
They then need to be fired and barred from ever entering law enforcement again.


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Originally posted by ashamedamerican

The point of this story (and sorry to go off topic) Is that police now have this holier than thou attitude, they think they can arrest you for not submitting to their ILLEGAL requests or demands.
This is unacceptable.

How does it get like this? I think that the police are being lectured and taught that they need to DO THIS and DO THAT and don't take any crap! In fact I know that's whats going on. There are brainwashing techniques at work here.

I watched the video and it was pretty disturbing. They just come and take all the information pamphlets with no reason at all. To top it off it was a peaceful rally FOR peaceful rally. I think they decided to make an example of this rally for just that reason. Protest? What's that? Never heard of it! It's not allowed here.

There's one book i'd recommend anyone getting a hold-of and reading...Butterworth's Police Law

This what your averge plod refers to as 'The Bible', and if you're going out to protest in public, you should have a copy so you know just what they can and cannot legally do

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reply to post by mr-lizard


The reason the police were taking the information away and taking the brochures was because they didn't have permits! Even in the US you have to have permits to set up any tables in a street.

I am starting to think the REAL sheeple are those (the police, etc.) that have been brainwashed to believe the government , and that what they are TOLD to do is ok. Or they dont care and just want thier paycheck.

I believe most LEO are good people just like everyone else. They just need to prove it. Especially in these uncertain times.

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Yeah, I know, fat chance. Trying to be optimistic.

Edit, vodka related

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This is nothing new here the police have always thought they are not subject to such things as law and do the whatever they want. Just look at them in their cars when they come to a traffic jam its lights on to get through cos its such an emergency for them to get to macdonalds for their free burgers isn't it!

I remember this sort of thing happening on Mark Thomas comedy product years ago. At least he has a tv crew with him to report their illegal activities and be a general pain to them.

Mark Thomas

Originally posted by DataWraith
Typical of the police here in the UK, you have a peaceful protest about something and the police come down heavy handed

Though in this case it was a stunt purely intended to provoke a reaction from the police.

Question is: what do such people gain by diverting police attention from real crimes? What do they again by misrepresenting the events over the internet?

Fortunately, such folk have been pulling stunts like this for a long, long time (remember the 60s?) and as you get older you learn to recognise them for what they are. In 30 years time, the perpetrators will be complaining about kids with high ideals and no experience of the real world pulling exactly the same stunts and still trying ( without success) to change the world to how they think it should be.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by Essan]

oh dear - what UTTER TWADDLE

have most people making assanine comments ACTUALLY watched the videos ? or are they just making it up as they go ?

the right to protest was not denied to ANYONE there

the police RIGHTLY removed stalls and tables which , as ESSAN has pointed out are NOT a right - and require permission

thar is ALL that happened - the video clearly shows that the ptotesters were still insitu - still chanting as the ploklice withdrew

note how the obnoixious idiot with the magaphone was NEVER approached by police - why ? because he has a right to be a pomopous twit in pubkic - however his associated do not have the right to set up stalls obstructing public thourgfares - its that simple

so guess who was removed ?

obstructing a pblic thouroghfare is illegal under city of liverpool byelaws - holding a protest demostration is not illegal

also -

a mob chanting ` let them go ` has no legal weight - and will not get a arestee released

further - it is NOT required that the police divulge where an arestee is beung taken [ unless it is a legal guardian , spouse or other next of kin ]

If you can and get chance, watch this film:

Taking Liberties
www.noliberties.com...

Will give you a good idea of how bad a state the UK is becoming

reply to post by ashamedamerican


Ha Ha. Good on you.

If that was me i'd have clammed up and probably spent the night in the cells for doing absolutely nothing wrong other than being a completely ignorant fool.

I know nothing about my statutory rights or general rights and the sad thing is i fear i'm in the majority. Time for some studying.

As for the video footage, it appears the police may have stretched the law when conviscating a video camera. But i don't know the facts.

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Nonchalant
Wow..I was quite stunned when the cops started packing up the protestors pamphlets,etc. They were only peacefully displaying them on a table? Wtf is going on in the Uk??

But these people are anarchists, have no consideration whatsoever for law or indeed for anyone but themselves, and deliberately act in a manner which they know to be illegal with the specific intent of drawing police attention - so that they can then claim police brutality.

These people are NOT anarchists, I know of several people including a family member who attended the event, so I think i know a little more of what happened than you do. Such a shame that ignorance is rife on this website.

The collective consisted of law abiding, honest, hard working and decent folk... Students, pensioners, labourers, workers etc...There was no trouble and all matters were addressed through attempted dialogue, so please don't come on this thread and claim things that are untrue.

Your ignorance is not welcome here.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Don't worry Lizard, sheeple (and I don't use that term often at all) who are afraid of the authorities and losing a sense of illusionary control over their lives would rather sit idly by and demonize those who fight for all of our rights. Including the whiny little cogs in the machine who think "the man" is purely looking out for them and not a larger agenda that doesn't give a crap about them. Especially in light of seeing this cops clearly over stepping their boundaries in true dissent suppressing style.