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Bodies strapped to seats on AA77, Pentagon?

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by pinch

Originally posted by tezzajw
The part where firemen are not trained coroners.

You need a "trained coroner" to see a body strapped to an airline seat in an airline accident scene?

You need a trained coroner to prove the identity of the alleged body, to prove that the alleged body was allegedly a passenger on the alleged Flight AA77.

Please state which of those firemen made a positive ID about any body being strapped to a seat, as belonging to a person, by name, who was allegedly aboard the alleged Flight AA77. I'll be waiting for your answer.

So far, thedman and Seymour have both admitted that they can't prove what the firemen allegedly saw with any FACTS. You know what facts are, right? The name of the body would be an important first step, wouldn't it? Maybe you'll come around too, like they did?

(By the way, how's your search going to prove that the FBI have all of the alleged part numbers for the alleged wreckage. Remember that statement you made? You've yet to back it up with any proof, so I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by pinch
The FBI had/have the piece-parts to the aircraft, including all the various serial numbers for N644AA and are not releasing the evidence as per standard ongoing-investigation procedures.

Thanks for that.)




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:25 PM
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You cherry pick your information, “you” want us to believe what this man had to say, what that man had to say, but when eyewitness say they saw something that contradicts what your man says, then they in your mind are liars. That is not getting to the truth.
I know a four star General was there at the Pentagon on 911 and he said loud and clear NO AIRPLANE HIT THIS BUILDING! Therefore, that says a lot about your Fireman who had said they saw what ever doesn’t it. You disinfo artist know where the article is.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:28 PM
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Still, simply questions........

1> 10000 plus gallons of Jet A, assuming an ignition source (sparks, engines) the detonation of that amount of Jet A would have blown a massive hole in the outside of the building OR would have continued into the building (a closed space and created a massive fireball in the weakest direction, meaning where the building was weakest.

2> Assuming a forward speed of 300-400 kts, the wings would have sheared off (creating a massive fireball in the wall area and immediate inside area, but if the fuselage had continued, even with reduced momentum (due to the reduction in inertia of the wings shearing), the g force on that fuselage would have broken every seat attachment and caused seats with bodies and loose bodies to continue at close to the impact velocity to fly forward.

3> If the wings sheared at the wall and the heat from the engines ignited the Jet A, the semi ignited (liquid and gas) would have also continued at some percentage of the fuselage and bodies, creating a fireball inside the wall of incredible proportion (Open air burning temperatures: 260–315 °C (500–599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F). No first responders could "rescue" any pax due to that temp, so the bodies would have been burned beyond physical recognition.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to challenge the pictures of bodies in jumpsuits, strapped in seats being actually from the Pentagon...



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

You need a trained coroner to prove the identity of the alleged body, to prove that the alleged body was allegedly a passenger on the alleged Flight AA77.

Please state which of those firemen made a positive ID about any body being strapped to a seat, as belonging to a person, by name, who was allegedly aboard the alleged Flight AA77. I'll be waiting for your answer.

So far, thedman and Seymour have both admitted that they can't prove what the firemen allegedly saw with any FACTS. You know what facts are, right? The name of the body would be an important first step, wouldn't it? Maybe you'll come around too, like they did?

(By the way, how's your search going to prove that the FBI have all of the alleged part numbers for the alleged wreckage. Remember that statement you made? You've yet to back it up with any proof, so I'm still waiting.




signature of tezzajw:
Disclaimer: The troll in me must inform you that what I type may or may not reflect what I actually think or believe, then again - maybe it does. Don't quote me on that.


Not sure why anyone responds to him. He ignores ALL evidence. HE is clearly trolling as his signature states he does.

Imagine if tezzajw sat on jury's in the United States? Murderers and Child Molesters would be acquitted all time.

tezzajw... "No, we can't convict him! The alleged DNA found in the alleged 8 year old's alleged rectum was not photographed or video taped by the alleged crime scene investigator."



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by cashlink


I know a four star General was there at the Pentagon on 911 and he said loud and clear NO AIRPLANE HIT THIS BUILDING!



Source please.

Thank you sir!



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Griff,

He said they were bodies at the Pentagon. From what I see there is only one person in a jumpsuit. (if indeed it is a jumpsuit.)



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Not sure why anyone responds to him. He ignores ALL evidence. HE is clearly trolling as his signature states he does.

Imagine if tezzajw sat on jury's in the United States? Murderers and Child Molesters would be acquitted all time.

tezzajw... "No, we can't convict him! The alleged DNA found in the alleged 8 year old's alleged rectum was not photographed or video taped by the alleged crime scene investigator."


You know what would solve all this. Just one piece of documentation that proves that any bodies were found strapped into any seats. As much as you flame the OP for asking, no one has produced one shred of evidence that any bodies were found strapped into any seats in any condition. That is what brought us all here.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Could there have been a body found strapped in a seat? - possibly

Could the first responder have been mistaken? - possibly

What we do not have is photographic evidence of this persons claim.

What we do not have is a corroborated statement from another source.


So... bottom line: The man may or may have not seen a person strapped in an airplane seat.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Not sure why anyone responds to him. He ignores ALL evidence. HE is clearly trolling as his signature states he does.

ThroatYogurt, how does quoting my signature help this thread?

Do you have FACTS that PROVE what the firemen allegedly saw is true?

I'll make it as easy for you, as I did Seymour, Swampfox and thedman. Please show me PROOF that states the NAME of a body that was found strapped to an airline seat at the Pentagon.

(By the way, whether or not I am a troll, you have to admit that I did spot the unit conversion errors for the fire loads in the NIST report on WTC7. Remember how you tried to defend the mistake, when you claimed that it was ok to convert kg/m^3 into lb/ft^2? Remember how you argued with me for a couple of posts, then later admitted that you were completely wrong? Why did you argue with a 'troll' then, ThroatYogurt, when it turned out that the 'troll' was correct all along? Make sure you don't make the same mistake again. How many trolls would bother to even try and find errors in the NIST report? How many trolls would bother to read that evidence in search of the truth?)



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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Interesting the way you word that. If a truther said something, you would pin them down on a definate yes or no and then call them a liar or tell they were wrong. You are all attacking the OP for asking for proof of these bodies and the best you can do is say, maybe there is some proof somewhere, who knows?

Nope, sorry. Try again.

Were there bodies found strapped into seats? This would be in several reports that could be obtained and shown. Hell there is not even an official statement of such a thing let alone any proof at all.

You say there is no proof of a missle so there was no missile right?

No proof of bodies strapped to seats somehow equals maybe?

Nice way to show your true colors.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
So... bottom line: The man may or may have not seen a person strapped in an airplane seat.

Thanks! There's another one who has come around!

In two pages we have now had thedman, Seymour and ThroatYogurt all admitting that they can't prove the witness reports.

There we have it - three people who all admit that there may not have been any bodies strapped to airline seats, as there's no proof of the fact! Just when I was getting bored with the thread, we've had another person come around and admit that he doesn't have any proof!

How many more official believers will we have admitting that they can't prove the bodies strapped to seats claim?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
By the way, whether or not I am a troll


You are


Remember how you tried to defend the mistake,


Yes


Remember how you argued with me for a couple of posts,


Yes


then later admitted that you were completely wrong?



See..friends, one thing truthers and trolls will not do? Admit when they are wrong.




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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'All you are doing is quoteing the liberal media and a bunch of witnesses who aren't qualified

(Great! Perhaps now we can have a rational discussion on why the physical evidence at the Pentagon is overwhelmingly convincing beyond any reasonable doubt that a 757 impacted the building and bodies, still strapped in their seats, were discovered/seen by rescue/recovery personnel.)

www.dailymotion.com...

I can find as many witness as you, that says something different and my witness are just as credible.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by ThroatYogurt
 


Interesting the way you word that. If a truther said something, you would pin them down on a definate yes or no and then call them a liar or tell they were wrong. You are all attacking the OP for asking for proof of these bodies and the best you can do is say, maybe there is some proof somewhere, who knows?


Poor morning star...I didn't word something to your liking? I am supporting the OP. There is one eyewitness. That's it. And I NEVER said there "maybe" is some proof and "somewhere"...All I said was that it is possible.



You say there is no proof of a missle so there was no missile right?


Please show the statement from the eyewitness to a missile and his/her proximity to the flight path and the Pentagon.


No proof of bodies strapped to seats somehow equals maybe?


There is an eyewitness that is a DOCUMENTED first responder to have been INSIDE the Pentagon after the attack. It is VERY possible that he may have NOT seen passengers strapped in their seats.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt



See..friends, one thing truthers and trolls will not do? Admit when they are wrong.





Actually, I have admitted I was wrong many times by saying "I was wrong."

You have gone to great lengths to avoid actually admitting you were wrong. You just got cornered and weaseled it into a "maybe, perhaps, coulda woulda shoulda but didna" You still have time to actually admit to being wrong though.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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I made a mistake, so I will retract the statement that I made it is not a four star General it was a two star General.
www.dailymotion.com...



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by cashlink


I can find as many witness as you, that says something different and my witness are just as credible.



Dora,
Tell your master that I am still waiting for answers from 2 of my posts.

1- What should the Pentagon have looked like if a 757 hit it?
2- The source of his 4 Star General



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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So, he was a 2 star General and was not at the Pentagon. Anything else?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by MorningStar8741


You just got cornered and weaseled it into a "maybe, perhaps, coulda woulda shoulda but didna" You still have time to actually admit to being wrong though.


I got cornered???

Hey hero, go count how many times I posted a response to the OP in here.... answer.. ONCE.

Oh, and I am not wrong.

By the way, did you find that witness to the missile?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
So, he was a 2 star General and was not at the Pentagon. Anything else?

No, nothing else is required from you today, ThroatYogurt.

You've admitted that there may not have been any bodies strapped to airline seats at the Pentagon, so your contribution to this thread is greatly appreciated.



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