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Does the Republican Party want to lose?

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posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 01:23 PM
I want to start off by saying I do not support Obama or McCain and will not be voting for either.

I've been following the election like everyone else has. With Every interview and debate involving Sen. McCain I find myself feeling as if the Republican Party wants to lose the election.

This is just my opinion but, watching how McCain carries himself and his body language he seems so unsure, confused and out of touch. He seems like doesn't want to be there. This has nothing to do with his politics or beliefs, just his demeanor.

I keep asking myself how the Republicans couldn't have picked someone who at the least comes across as more capable

In this age of 24 hour news and youtube they must have known he wouldn't come across as well as Obama. Add to that Palin, who's background comes under more scrutiny everyday,

The choices just seems odd, it feels like something doesn't add up.

((((Assuming for a second the whole thing isn't rigged and that McCain and Obama are not controlled by the same people))))

So I keep wondering.

Maybe they don't want to win?

What would the party achieve by losing?

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 01:34 PM
Yes, it's possible the Repubs are intentionally going to lose this election.
This for the purpose of handing over the keys to Obama, which can't and won't make things better, thus paving the way for a Romney perhaps.

It is kinda funny how Romney just disappeared during the primaries almost overnight, just before McCain started gaining steam.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 01:35 PM
I think it is a possibility ...I mean hey anything is possible these days isnt it?

Something I found today though (Not sure how true it is) tells me that maybe Obama isnt the one TPTB have chosen to win ... ...mainly because the royal blood usually always wins (set up Im sure)

Here is the article
(To read in full you have to register)
Palin's famous family lineage
BARACK Obama and Dick Cheney are not the only political odd couple who share a family tree.
Sarah Palin is linked in her lineage to former US President Franklin D Roosevelt and also has a connection with Diana, Princess of Wales.

Mr Roosevelt, the Depression-era Democratic president, is a distant cousin of Mrs Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, who is also a tenth cousin of the former royal.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 01:40 PM
As a conservative, I have no one to vote for. The last time we had a sorry democratic congress and an even sorry-er President was Jimmy Carter.

A national disgrace and a national disaster.

The Republican Party lost its soul. It sold out. It deserves to lose. It became where the Democratic Party recently abandoned, only to go socialist.

Hopefully, with the upcoming disasters that the Democratic Party will preside over, it will again be decades before another Democrat for President is elected.

It will take another Contract with America to get conservative values back in power. Even George Bush abandoned conservative values. He had the most brilliant dumbasses in history giving him advice. Such a shame.

So, if you think the country is screwed right now, just wait until Barack, Nancy, and Reid get a couple years under their belts.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 01:48 PM
McCain's nomination reminds me of Bob Dole in 1996, Algore in 2000, and John Kerry in 2004. Sacraficial lambs all of them. But something weird and unexpected happened....Hillary Clinton did not get the nomination for the Democrats...Obama got it, so McCain's sacraficial lamb status got upgraded real quick, and Republicans were not ready for it. That is where Sarah Palin comes in....Republicans realized we actually have a chance so we better rev up the base.

So, at first Republicans knew this was going to be a Democrat year, and choose McCain to be the nominee. But now that we know how bad Obama will be for the US, we have to fight to get our sacraficial lamb elected....for the sake of the country.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 02:03 PM

Originally posted by drock905

What would the party achieve by losing?

I had the same thought a while back. I came to the conclusion, after posing this very question to myself, that there is only one reason they may want to lose.

Perhaps the powers in the Republican party felt that the next four years were going to be so bad, that whomever won this election would be doomed to a single term. For this reason, if they lost, they would have a better chance at winning in 2012 and possibly another eight year, two term president would follow. This is the only reason I could think of that they would WANT to lose.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 02:27 PM
reply to post by dooper

Here here Dooper. I too think the Republican's have lost their collective way. When the party gets to the point when long-time rock ribbed Republicans are called out for heresy (David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Christopher Buckley) then you know the party has become the party of Rove and not Lincoln. These folks were threatened and verbally abused simply for going against party orthodoxy (being against Palin, or at least questioning her qualifications). Conservatism used to be vibrant and full of ideas (not all good, but at not all are) and constantly debating itself to find a better way. It has devolved into a quasi-religious organization where questioning the dogma of the leaders is tantamount to treason. The party of small government has also become the party of corporate welfare and untenable entitlements (the Rx drug benefit anyone).

We liberal Dems need the old conservatives back so we have somone to keep us in check (and vice versa) without getting to the point of violence, which is where we are today.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 02:49 PM

Democrat, Republican, or Independent - the situation at this moment really, really looks dim.

I'm a conservative American. American first. I have fought, killed, and bled under my flag, and I can't describe the stunned disgust at what our leaders are doing.

In a moment of brief insanity, I pondered what would have been the political benefit if on 9-11, instead of the twin towers and the Pentagon, our entire government were taken out? Much better than term limits, the professional politicians would be gone, and hopefully, we could get a fresh group in there who would work for the country - not more power, more influence, and their reelection.

On ATS we continue to read of pending catastrophic doom. Hell, I'm about to start cheering for it. Only in times of catastrophe do we seem to come together and get back to basics.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 03:07 PM
I find it cute that many of you speak as if the Republican and Democratic party are not run by the same forces.

'Why would Republicans want to lose?'

... So Obama can win...

'But Obama is a DEMOCRAT!!!'

... Obama is just as much a puppet as any other candidate that has ever run.

Seriously... this is a conspiracy theory forum and you people STILL talk about politics in the most painfully simplistic way.

Stop drinking the partisan kool aid and wake up.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 04:45 PM
I think what surprised me most out of everything in this election is How Bush threw McCain under the bus. Think about it. Before anyone even knew of a bailout McCain was going mano to mano with Obama. All of a sudden, a Republican out of all people call for a socialist piece of legislation. A 700billion dollar piece of legislation that Americans did not want. From this point forward Obama had taken the lead and McCain was looking for heavy medication for the concusiion he incurred when the Bush Motorcade ran him over. I would have never imagine a Republican President potentially killing the hopes of the Republican nominee running for President.

You would have at least thought that Bush would have given McCain a heads up about what was about to transpire. I think this might have been Bush payback to the Republicans for ignoring him throughout this whole election.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 05:04 PM

Originally posted by RRconservative
McCain's nomination reminds me of Bob Dole in 1996, Algore in 2000, and John Kerry in 2004. Sacraficial lambs all of them. But something weird and unexpected happened....Hillary Clinton did not get the nomination for the Democrats...Obama got it, so McCain's sacraficial lamb status got upgraded real quick, and Republicans were not ready for it. That is where Sarah Palin comes in....Republicans realized we actually have a chance so we better rev up the base.

I agree with this comment, Hillary Clinton as polarizing as she may be, if she where the presidencial candidate this run would been over a long time ago.

McCain is not only running against Obama he is also running against the Bush legacy, he is also running against a bad economy. The fact that McCain still has a chance at this really tells you how strong the republican party base is.

For what ever reason people don't are not really sold on Obama, people that would have voten for Hillary and I'm talking about independents and undecided have really not embraced Obama. That's why this race is still been fought although all indicators point to Obama having a better chance of getting elected.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:54 PM
I have to say this. If Hillary were the Presidential candidate, I wouldn't be so worried. After all, we know a bit about Hillary, all her warts, and the truth is, while I disagree with her on socialized medicine, she wouldn't take any crap from our foreign troublemakers.

For all we know, Obama may be a foreign troublemaker. He sure hangs out with a strange group. Give the the enemy I know any day over the enemy I don't know.


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