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Originally posted by mepatriot
God is alive and He has created the universe and everything around you. If this were not so, how else could you explain the complexity of an amoebe, let alone the incredible detail in the eyelid of a newborn infant?? Have you ever looked closely at one...I mean really looked??
All of the systems that go into supporting human life can only be explained by the existence of an all-powerful Creator. Otherwise, you have to believe that all of these inert materials got together in some cosmic cesspool billions of years ago, and then POOF! there was life. Which theory takes more faith?..Faith in God, or faith an incredibly impossible conjecture such as that?
Originally posted by mepatriot
...you can choose to listen to soothsayers and atheists, . you must decide for yourself.
Originally posted by soothsayer
With me, it took many many years and involvment with many different religions/sects to find what was right for me. And you know what? None of them worked.
What I would suggest is to discover what is right for you. What I may believe or do may not necessarily be what you want to do, and vice versa. Religion is such a personal thing... the path of self-righteousness and discovery brings a greater fulfillment than accepting the teachings of mainstream or widely accepted views.
Originally posted by Xeven
Well I was hoping for a wisper in my ear or a beam of light to come after asking this on here yet it still has not happend heh. I really do not expect any religious people to comment because they will not sadly be able to do anything other than tell me what other men have told us all in books and in words. There is no proof.
I really wish there was some cause it would be nice to know I had a big buddy out there looking after me but as life happens around me in what would be a gods creation I find his presence extreemly lacking (other than mens words).
I do still believe that a creator is possible, but I also belive it could have all started with two particles comming together or some such. If there is a god out there come let us know.
I am not against knowing the truth or god but what you describe is self brainwashing and not actually proving anything. I do not mean to sound harsh to you, but I can convince myself of anything if I think about it constantly and read about it constantly. I do not want to convince myself that their is a God or Jesus I want him to show me beyound in reasonable doubt in plain light, by means of what he has given me, eyes, ears, nose etc.. that he does indeed exist and that I am not a fool following other mens words, ideals etc.. through brainwashing, and sure wish for something more than what is evident on this planet in reality.
Originally posted by piboy
In all sincerity, there is a God.
The way I have come to know is by following what Jesus said as recorded in John 7:17:
"If any man will do his [the Father's] will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
If you live as Christ teaches, then you will know. Outside proof doesn't work. In fact, simply teaching or listening to teaching is not sufficient, as the Lord tells us in Isaiah 29:13:
"Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men."
I do not deny that throught history men have done terrible things in the name of religion. Religion can be used to get people to follow and accept things they wouldn't normally. However, that doesn't mean that religion is the problem, but rather it gets used by devious men.
To me, organized religion is necessary for effective operations of religious things like buildings, missionary work, publications, and instruction, but the determination of worthiness is between the individual and the Lord. I think there are always men willing to preach to people that they know the way to salvation and they can decree whether a person is worthy. They use the desires of man to be saved from doom and create a falsified path to salvation. People become duped, and then religion gets a bad name.
I think that a true seeker investigating Christianity will be willing to take the time to learn the teachings of Christ, and be willing to try the experiment He offers. Do what he teaches, and then you will know if He is the Son of God, or if He is just blowing smoke. Of course, if he never existed, the experiment is pointless from the get-go. But if he did exist, then you can know both that he was real and that his teachings are true.
No coercion is involved in following His teachings, and you don't have to satisfy any man to find out if His teachings are true.
Once one knows He is real, then other questions can be asked in the context that He is real. But it all revolves around the existence of God.
Hope this helps.