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posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by whiskeyswiller
...so that stuff is basically NDP/LIB talking points that you are parroting.


Which is the same that you have done in your previous post. The PC ad campaign at work.


The Tory, I use that term lightly, platform has been, "Dion, not worth the risk".




posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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No, you asked why he was a boob and I told you.

He's not a leader, he's a spineless bookworm who has never had a job or proved himself in his life. He's done nothing.

The Liberal party will retool and win, that's just how it goes, people want to vote Liberal but they just can't with that guy there.

I would ask you for a reason to vote for him but I think you threw your vote away on a fringe party rather than have the integrity to vote for Dion whom you obviously must adore.

I'm not thrilled with the Conservative party, and I'm not thrilled with Harper either but I'd rather vote for someone who has proved adequate than throw my vote away.

Next election I might vote Liberal but I just can't vote for Dion, and a bunch of policies that I don't feel benefit our country.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Well the results are starting to trickle in for NFLD. No surprise, it appears that the Liberals are leading all but one seat at the moment.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by whiskeyswiller
No, you asked why he was a boob and I told you.

He's not a leader, he's a spineless bookworm who has never had a job or proved himself in his life. He's done nothing.


Like I said, the PC ad machine at work.


The Liberal party will retool and win, that's just how it goes, people want to vote Liberal but they just can't with that guy there.


Speak for yourself. I'd LOVE to have a conservative leader I could vote for(done that in the past). Just because they're called Conservatives doesn't make it so. They are an amalgamation of the Reform/Alliance parties.


I would ask you for a reason to vote for him but I think you threw your vote away on a fringe party rather than have the integrity to vote for Dion whom you obviously must adore.


Wrong and wrong. I don't adore Dion, as you said his successor will be MUCH better. AND I didn't vote for a fringe party. I voted liberal because Harper is megalomaniac.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by whiskeyswiller All you guys going on about how he is like Bush don't really notice that his party has moved to the centre and are not truly a Conservative party, so that stuff is basically NDP/LIB talking points that you are parroting.

Wait and see what he would do with a majority...and let's face it, they are so far to the right of the former PCs that the old guard (like Sinclair Stevens) are coming out of the woodwork to slam him and his neocon ilk.

I like it when the Tories come to call, cuz it's fun to order them off my land.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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"...the Canadian Art scene is on the chopping block "

Everyone keeps saying this, I'm not sure how you twisted the original statement to this statement above.

All Harper said was that he doesn't believe the average Canadian really appreciates turning on their TV when they get home from work to see large gala black-tie events (for the arts) paid for with money out of their pockets.

With respect to Harper's view that some art grants are misspent (ie. your reference to Trailer Park Boys), please remember that Canadian tax payers have unknowingly footed the bill for porno movie productions. How does that make YOU feel?



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
Unfortunately, we don't have CAP candidate running in my riding either. Otherwise they would get my vote.


they have a mad CAPper where i live, and i voted for him.
i hope they do well, but not many people know about them or what they stand for.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by whiskeyswillerHonestly, most people in Canada when it comes to voting go on autopilot and vote for the Liberals and the sad fact is that almost anyone running under the Liberal brand could have won this election.


Might I cite the 19th century British philosopher John Stuart Mills when he opined: "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. "

Of course...he probably never punched a clock, either



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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Well Peter Mackay has been elected. I knew she(Liz May) didn't stand a chance.

Bill Casey has also been elected. Harpers hand picked sacrificial Lamb is picking up about 1 vote to every 15 Mr. Casey is receiving. I'm sure that MR. Berrnard will recieve a nice posting for being the fall guy for the Conservatives.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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I'm back from voting and the best part was that I got to leave work an hour early.

Since we're all insulting parties, let me join the bandwagon.

Conservatives - not conservatives, reformers who like to legislate morality and do silly things like strip equality from the Status of Women Canada's mandate and cancel the Charter challenges program. Should be renamed the Stephen Harper Party, since he's the only one allowed to speak.

Liberals - The Green Shift?!?!?!?! What the heck is this? You have a chance to regain some seats and you come up with this wacky idea? Seriously, you need some new policy advisors. Past stupidity - national daycare? Huh??? I have no kids and to borrow a phrase from the Conservative Party followers - why am I supporting your choice to have expensive children? If you can't afford them, don't have them.

Greens - Elizabeth May is a doll. I have a girl crush on her, even if she does slightly resemble a chipmunk. Won't be voting for them though.

The NDP - don't even get me started. I can't afford them. I do admire their beliefs, I just don't see them as sustainable and have lived under NDP govts in the past.

Other than that, there was some Libertarian guy and a Marxist-Lennin fellow running in my riding.

See you all in two years for the next election!



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
Well Peter Mackay has been elected. I knew she(Liz May) didn't stand a chance.

Bill Casey has also been elected. Harpers hand picked sacrificial Lamb is picking up about 1 vote to every 15 Mr. Casey is receiving. I'm sure that MR. Berrnard will recieve a nice posting for being the fall guy for the Conservatives.


Guys, lets please all keep in mind that it is illegal to announce any results in any form of media until polls have closed on the west coast. Don't want the Canadian Elections people coming after Springer and company. I would advise this thread be highly monitored by a mod until polls close.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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Well, if you read my post correctly, it was the way Harper tried to sell his new way of funding the arts.

In the tabled legislation if the "Art" does not get past the "ART CENSORS" then the film, book, music will not be funded.

In my opinion because of the size of Canada, the way the population is dispersed as well as the sizable element of the population living in poverty we need funding to the artists.

Our close proximity to the USA and Canadians love of "Hollywood" also tends to bring funding true Canadian art to the foreground.

We would never have been able to listen to groups like the Guess Who, BTO, Edward Bear, Neil Young, April Wine, Lighthouse, Crowbar,Rush, Gordon Lightfoot, Hank Snow, Stompin Tom, without funding by the Canadian goverment to encourage radio play etc against the huge American Music Empire.

The newer acts can thank the legislation put forth by Pierre Elliott Trudeau that allowed those "crazy hippies" of the 1960's and 1970's to record and become a Canadian success.


The definitions of art, culture and cultural industry are one key to the current debate about cultural funding in Canada. The Conservative government claims that it has actually increased spending on the arts. This claim rests on a purposeful obfuscation of the meaning of culture and cultural industries, and the arts subset of culture. In the September 20 issue of The Globe and Mail, James Bradshaw exposed this obfuscation with a fine piece of investigative journalism. He documents how the Conservative claims of increased arts funding are based on fudging definitions and robbing Peter to pay Paul.
www.scena.org...



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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Good point.

I didn't think the obvious ones would matter but you are correct. I'll keep what I know quiet till the polls officially close in BC.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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Good point and I would urge people to keep that in mind.

It is illegal for any Canucks to post results. Americans, however, can feel free to tell us what's going on in our own country.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




Want to see a sad image?



I hope that the turn around keeps up for this election also. It is disheartening to see so many people not vote.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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Sure you can.

What an philosopher from a different country, with different beliefs and a different time has to do with a party that is more to the centre than the right, I have no clue what it has to do with the election but I think it's great to see it there.

Everyone wants to call them neocons and so forth but the truth is their polices are about as centrist as the Liberals outside of the environmentalist activism.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Sorry Connector, I don't agree. Harper didn't put us in that hell-hole in Afghanistan, the Liberals did. And poorly equipped at best to do the job. What commander in chief in their right mind sends troops dressed in bright in green cammo left over from Korea, into a battle in the desert? That's right, Liberals.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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Ok so you ask me to explain my views, which frankly I shouldn't have to do because it's politics.

Then you accuse me of repeating Conservative spin.

How very American of you.

There's no right or wrong in politics, only perspectives and beliefs and I defended mine and you could really only accuse me of repeating Conservative spin, which is false. I think for myself. You never really talked about substance or policy and at least I did to a small extent.

Anyway, you're entitled to your beliefs and best wishes to your party.

Same country and same goals just different approaches and I have absolutely no problem with you being wrong



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Connector

By whiskeyswiller
He's the only one that is financially responsible enough to have paid the debt down


Huh??? He took a SURPLUS and turned it in to a debt? Whatsa talkin about Willis?

[edit on 14-10-2008 by Connector]



Respectfully Connector, I do not agree with you. A surplus by definition is caused by OVER TAXATION. Something any government should be avoiding at every turn.

Unless it's to pay for pie-in-the sky leftist social engineering projects that always have mysterious overruns in budget and never turn a profit or break even. A certain gun registry comes to mind as does a Human Resources project gone several billion awry. There are too many others to list.

I prefer a balanced budget and money in MY pocket for a change.





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