reply to post by Ron Paul Girl
Not exactly true. If he was born in Kenya, then he is still a citizen, just not a 'natural born' citizen. There is a difference. Now if he was an
Indonesian citizen, as proposed by Berg, and did not go though INS upon his return to the states, then he may not be a current citizen. We will just
have to wait and see how this all turns out. As to the possibility of judicial bias, that's not going to be a problem as the documents clearly state
that this will be decided by a trial by jury.
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reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:08 PM by round_eyed_dog
reply to post by Ron Paul Girl
The grandma claim is just conjecture at the moment until Berg gives some proof to his argument. The OP's original source article contained a misleading misquote and no other proof of said statement.
Here are some better pics of the Hawaii certificate. The original pics are huge so please click on the link below each image to access zoomable images.
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The grandma claim is just conjecture at the moment until Berg gives some proof to his argument. The OP's original source article contained a misleading misquote and no other proof of said statement.
Here are some better pics of the Hawaii certificate. The original pics are huge so please click on the link below each image to access zoomable images.
Link
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reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:11 PM by Ron Paul Girl
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
Actually, his mother was not legally old enough, in 1961, to pass on her citizenship, so if he were not born on US soil, he had no legal right to citizenship. This isn't what Berg is claiming in his suit, but if it is true that he wasn't born here, then it's a cut and dry case that he isn't an American citizen.
Actually, his mother was not legally old enough, in 1961, to pass on her citizenship, so if he were not born on US soil, he had no legal right to citizenship. This isn't what Berg is claiming in his suit, but if it is true that he wasn't born here, then it's a cut and dry case that he isn't an American citizen.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:15 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Sonya610
Because of the paperwork that his mother would have had to have filed upon returning to Hawaii. He would have been a 'naturalized' citizen. Otherwise, she would have been allowed to enter the county but not her newborn. That is why they want the long form birth certificate, as it would show this.
Because of the paperwork that his mother would have had to have filed upon returning to Hawaii. He would have been a 'naturalized' citizen. Otherwise, she would have been allowed to enter the county but not her newborn. That is why they want the long form birth certificate, as it would show this.
. A possible scenario would be that Mom gave birth in
kenya but did not file a certificate there- waiting to do so until later. She never figured the small difference in dates would matter as long as her
son was viewed as born in the USA.......reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:38 PM by Alxandro
reply to post by round_eyed_dog
Wait a sec.
That looks like Helvetica or something similar.
Did they even have that font style available back in 1961?
It looks like we are seeing something very similar to what we saw during RatherGate.
Remember that?
That was when Dan Rather tried to pull off a forged Word document as an actual Bush Air National Guard document.
Rather Gate forge exposed
Ended up costing Rather his job with CBS (aka SeeBS).
Wait a sec.
That looks like Helvetica or something similar.
Did they even have that font style available back in 1961?
It looks like we are seeing something very similar to what we saw during RatherGate.
Remember that?
That was when Dan Rather tried to pull off a forged Word document as an actual Bush Air National Guard document.
Rather Gate forge exposed
Ended up costing Rather his job with CBS (aka SeeBS).
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 04:12 PM by round_eyed_dog
reply to post by Alxandro
You are going to get an official laser printed version with seals and stamps in most states. This was almost exactly what my bc looked like when I renewed my passport in 07.
You are going to get an official laser printed version with seals and stamps in most states. This was almost exactly what my bc looked like when I renewed my passport in 07.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 04:13 PM by skeptic1
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
The order hasn't been signed yet; it's just been submitted to the court for a signature.
No word yet on when it will be signed by the judge.
The order hasn't been signed yet; it's just been submitted to the court for a signature.
No word yet on when it will be signed by the judge.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 04:24 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Mak Manto
Are you calling Obama's Gramma a liar?
Don't worry dude, I doubt the truth will ever surface.
Honestly, it wouldn't matter. His mother did NOT give up citizenship. She was travelling abroad. If she had her child on the freaking moon he would still be an American and the birth certificate will state his STATE OF RESIDENCE as the state of birth.
If I am right, which I think I am but haven't had to deal with a birth of my own overseas, even soldiers whose kids are born say, in Germany, have the option to list their home state as the state of birth.
This is the most pathetic argument going. He is a citizen. I think that the GOP is going to try and unleash this BS approaching the election (probably the week before) and then he will simply come out with irrefutable evidence and make everyone involved with the release of him 'not being an American' look like complete fools.
If the GOP attempts this I fear that it will seal the deal for Obama (which the GOP is already well on their way of doing with their pathetic lies and misleading ads on this man.)
I know, you think I am voting for Obama with the above statements I have made. Well, you would be VERY wrong. However, I must point out and defend a person when they are unjustly attacked.
This whole argument is for the desparate to try and smear this man.
Won't work. Period.
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