Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

I want to pay deep respect and condolences to the Obama family for their loss....

I hope that Mr.Obama will be choosen as president tonight and it must have been God's will to show That Sadness & Happiness are existing together and that there is strength to be found in it.....what better timing and tribute it would be to take, and Obama into the History books along with his Grandmother....

It;s sad, but somehow VERY powerfull....

reply to post by Mak Manto


If you look in the lower center of the document, there is a reversed ink stamp. I am a graphic designer, I took this into photoshop and flipped the image. It is a date, "JUN 6 2007" Why is that on his birth certificate? It is obviously a transfer from some other document, but why?

reply to post by Mdv2

Assume he was born in Kenya, does it make him a less capable leader?

IF we ASSUME he was born in Kenya, that DISQUALIFIES him for the Office of Commander in Chief of the United States.


A better idea is this...

ASSUME he WAS born in Hawaii, this would make him a NATURAL BORN Citizen, one of the few requirements to be president.

When him and his mother Stanly, moved to the Philipines with Stanly's second husband, Barry renouced his US citizenship.

Even though he WAS a natural born citizen, he was no longer a US citizen when he was in the Philipines.

How can he get around this?

1. His Father in law, Lolo Soetoro, forged documents, and lied about little Barry. Lieing to the Philipine goverment.

He was registared under the Name Barry Soetoro, with the nationality of Philipino, and the religion of Islam.

This is not debateable.

He was in the Philipines, and he was a practicing muslem.


Barrack can argue that he, As Barrack Hussain Muhamad Obama, DID NOT become a citizen of the Philipines, but, he assumed a new identity, Barry Soetoro, and it is this other person who was muslem.

(side note, i have forgetten how to spell muslem... thats what happens when you don't post on ATS for a few days... hehe... Is it Muslem, Muslim, or Muslum, they all look wroung to me now...)


Now, when he returned to the Untied States, he SHOULD have gone thru immigration. But, going thru imigration, and becoming a NATURALIZED CITIZEN, would make him INELIGIBLE to serve as the Commander in Chief.


So, BO is either an iligal alien in this country, or is a Naturalized Citizen (ala the Govanator) from the Philipines.

I don't realy see a situation where BO is eligilbe to serve... unless him assuming a new identity in the Philipines, means that his old identiy is still intact...

(PS, in the Philipines, when BO lived there, citizens were not allowed to hold DUAL citizenship...)

It's a moot point now! CNN has just announced that Barack Obama is now the President Elect!!!!

It will be interesting to see if he ever takes office. How can the US elect a guy that uses an alias.. and lies about it?

smithfiles.com...

reply to post by MetatronCubensis


Umm, it's not an alias, it's his original birth name!

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by MetatronCubensis

 

Umm, it's not an alias, it's his original birth name!

Then I'd love to know who Barry Soetoro is ??
Or why 'Barrack Obama' lied to the Supreme Court of Illinois about it?

reply to post by MetatronCubensis


Go to Wikipedia, search 'Barack Obama' and do the research on your own. If you are going to have a strong opinion, you should have all the facts first.

Sorry for spelling one of his first names wrong. Barry Soetoro was a citizen of Indonesia and his religion was Islam (not that religion should matter). He (now going by Barack Hussein Obama) failed to mention this alias to the Supreme Court of Illinios.. And the American people. To me thats a problem.

reply to post by MetatronCubensis


His name change as a child when his mother was married to her second husband has been well known for months and he has never tried to hide it. It was covered by CNN in his biography, and it has also been covered in his books. So, nothing hidden. Nice try.

Originally posted by MetatronCubensis
It will be interesting to see if he ever takes office. How can the US elect a guy that uses an alias.. and lies about it?

smithfiles.com...

The form on the site you've linked to lists his birthplace as Honolulu.
How does this prove/disprove anything about his eligibility to be President?

His name change as a child when his mother was married to her second husband has been well known for months and he has never tried to hide it. It was covered by CNN in his biography, and it has also been covered in his books. So, nothing hidden. Nice try.

I guess some people refuse to take their blinders off. The fact still remains that he was named Barry Soetoro while living in Indonesia as an Indonesian citizen.

smithfiles.com...

When is he going to tell the Supreme Court of Illinois? There's plenty hidden about this guy. Hopefully Berg will get the US Supreme Court to actually look at the evidence and uphold the constitution.

Originally posted by anachryon

Originally posted by MetatronCubensis
It will be interesting to see if he ever takes office. How can the US elect a guy that uses an alias.. and lies about it?

smithfiles.com...

The form on the site you've linked to lists his birthplace as Honolulu.
How does this prove/disprove anything about his eligibility to be President?

This document proves he lied about not having an alias and Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship (at least not back then).

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Re Obama being born in Kenya:

If Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.

The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.

I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama's grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.

The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file.

The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has been accepted as legal proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii by a court in Virginia. (Monday. See: www.freerepublic.com...)

After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born citizen issue were brought in other states.
While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the “evidence” - and concluded that the stuff was absurd.

In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:

“(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning “questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen” are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States. ” See:
www.oxfordpress.com...

In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.

Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course, but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can find this post at : (
www.freerepublic.com...)

(Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth throughout.)

Quotes:

The Court made the following findings:

1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.

The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.

The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.

3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:

“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:…..
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.

4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children: “British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963.

However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.

The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.

5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.

The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”

Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”

reply to post by Mak Manto


What is posted on the Internet is a "Certification" of birth NOT a "Certificate" of birth. Due to Hawaii's recent statehood at the time, older residents during the early 1960s applied and received a "Certification of Birth" not a "Certificate of Birth." Obama's posted "Certification" of birth, even if legitimate, proves nothing as to the country of his birth. I strongly feel Cert will be granted by the Rule of Four and the Supreme Court will resolve "once and for all" whether Obama is qualified to take the office of President of the United States. As a retired lawyer, I sincerely think Senator McCain will be ultimately sworn in as our next President. "The Rule of Law" and our United States Constutution will trump the November Presidential election results. If not, Castro and other foreign dictators could run for President of the United States at their choosing! Reseach the law and one can see big problems in the very near future for President-elect Obama. And remember the casting of electoral votes in December will likely be a pure blood bath...a final vote by the Electors will likely be delayed by (1) the Electors, (2) new lawsuits and/or (3) by Order of the United States Supreme Court. The issue concerning Obama's legal status to be sworn in as our next President will be fully addressed by the Supreme Court...book it!

reply to post by TRSSAS


Well....TRSSAS...

IF McCain had won....then HIS birth credentials would have received thorough vetting.

Ya know, ya Betcha! McCain wasn't even born in the good ole' USA!!!!

He's Panamanian!!! Just like Hugo Chavez!!!

(OK....see, the Election is over, but this is an example of how the RNC tried to 'spin' the election....through innuendo and half-truths....)

See....Hugo Chavez is actually the 'president' of Venezuala. BUT, it is true....John McCain WAS born in Panama....a Central American country!!!!

OK...theoritically, since it was a US NAVAL Base, and his father was active Navy....I guess he IS ia US citizen....so MAYBE John McCain is a US citizen....even though he WAS BORN IN PANAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, this is just too easy.........

Memo to "Obama is Kenyan, Indonesian, Martian" Whackjobs -
You will never see these accusations in the MSM because they are bogus.
No one with any power to do anything about this gives a damn. You can spend the next twenty years creating a "Barry the Kenyan" cottage industry, and it will never go anywhere. Use your energy on something slightly more productive. In eight years he will be out of office and you will still be ranting. That is sad.

reply to post by Mak Manto


It's a FAKE!!!! No raised seal.

reply to post by Office 4256


Or we can all wait until the U.S. Supreme Court makes the ruling that will be the "Shock Heard Round the World" on December 5th. That's the date O(bs)ama is required to hand over the birth certificate he either doesn't have, or that shows he does not qualify to be the POTUS.

That's when Joe "Biden his time" will become president-elect.

reply to post by Alxandro


Do you read the title of the source of the news?

It is Israel news. Many people from Israel wish to see Obama expelled from the white house because of the fear mongering surrounding him and Israel. Many go so far as to believe he will destroy Israel.

Additionally Muslims truly despise Obama because he is "white black, not really black". He supposedly represents whats wrong with the world, and it's not enough that he is half black.

I personally say we should all be very proud of Obama for achieving the success he has.