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The term "Socialist"...

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posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:13 PM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

A free market will never truly operate as designed due to greed. If we could eliminate greed than I would be all for 100% free markets. But it is obvious that we cannot. That greed has major effects on the economy and thus the lower classes ability to function. The free market system today is based on how much speculators are willing to pay at any one time and not by true supply and demand between trading partners.

I think a sensible solution is to socialize or at the very least regulate all greed out of certian neccesary industries. This would include electricity, fuel, healthcare, telecommunications, highway infrastructure, education and certian food staples. This would ensure that the basic needs of our country are not exploited by those seeking profit. If you want to go outside of the system for these needs then feel free. If you want to buy a mattress then the free market reigns.

As for socialism being the same as comminism that is ridiculous. True socialism usually preceeds communism, but by no means does socialism always lead to communism. Socialists economies generally fail because of intentional pressure put on them by capitalists and those that control the worldwide banking system. They don't take too kindly to countries running home with the ball and not letting them play anymore. it'slikesaying that all dope smokers will become herion addicts. Some do but it is just stupid to blame the dope smoking for that.

Maybe what we need is Socially Responsible Capitalism rather than socialism, but we definitely need major changes to the system we have now. If you don't play fair you need to be made to play fair. I don't know how else to put it.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:46 PM
reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity

If we could totally eliminate government interference in the market greed would sort it self out.

The market is supply and demand, if one company is getting too greedy another company will pop up and offer the same product for a lower price because people would flock to the company offering the product for a lower price.

The market cannot be manipulated if it is truly free. The stock market would have to be done away with because it only promotes certain companies that can afford to go public.

In a true free market if we would not be going through what we are going through today. It would be a recession, but it would not be on the verge of collapse because smaller companies would step up and fill the void. More importantly our whole economic system wouldn't be tied to these companies.

Government Interference in the market is the problem. It is like I said earlier a truly free-market free of government intervention would sort greed out on it's own. You would eventually have a huge monopoly by one corporation, but they would eventually fail because the smaller streamlined business would come in and fill the void that the large conglomerate can't.

It would be the perfect system when we move to self government. Right now no economic system will work not because of greed, but because of power.

Eventually we will all wake up and realize that the more laws there are the more complicated it makes things and we would all be happier with out a government. One day I doubt I'll ever be around to see it, but there will be guidelines that people and businesses follow.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that one day power hungry "greedy" individuals will be the ones homeless on the street because of the free market. Also like I said earlier no system of economics is going to work right now no matter what it is. Not at least until we all become more educated then a true free-market will come into existence because everybody wins in a true free-market.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 07:03 AM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

Very well stated points about companies and the stock market.

There will always be a need for a stock market for companies to come up with cash for growth by offering "ownership" within the company by purchasing shares of the company.

However, there are many, many examples of very large privately owned owned companies that will never go public.

A free market allows for growth of commerce with both management styles working together.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:17 AM
Precise definitions don't really matter and whether 'socialism' has merits or not doesn't matter either.

What does seems to matter is that it's a 'foreign' concept to most Americans; it's un-American and 'not how we do things around here'. It's used as an umbrella term synonymous with any political or economic ideology they're unfamiliar with and therefore wrong or even bad, apparently.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 08:23 AM
reply to post by QuetzalcoatlAlien

Obama wants to implement even more income redistribution, that is one of the very foundations of socialism.

Whether you like it or not, Obama does in fact propose socialistic policies.

posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 09:10 AM

Originally posted by azureskys
I keep seeing "Socialism" being thrown around.

When Corporate Power And Government Combine It Is Called Fascism. ! ! !

I can only give you the thumbs up on this one..

It is fascism in its purest form..

Best regards.


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