Originally posted by TKainZero
The loser now will be later the win
The times they are a' Changing.

Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pens
And keep your eyes open, the chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon, the wheel's still in spin
And there's no telling who that it's naming

If it was a legitimate marrige, then the issue wouldn't be about prop 8 like it is.

Thier marrige is legit in California. Should be elsewhere too.

When i moved out here, i thought i was a liberal. I AM registared with the Demoncat party... and ALWAYS have been... But... being out here... this new age liberalism is not what i signed up for...

meh Im a Northern California Republican which makes me a emocrat anywhere else but what exactly does party affiliation have to do with these two getting married? How exactly is it new age to want to have a committed monogamous relationship? Sounds kind of 'family" values to me.

For Gay rights, that means stomping on tradiotnal marrige, and making the words Mom and Dad illigal
For our country it mean allowing illigals to overrun the country
On abortion it means being in favor of Infantacide
It means aganist the death penality
It means that ONLY humans are causeing the earth to warm
It means more taxes for people
It means less freedom
More regulations

How does two women wanting to get married make all of that possible? It seems you are placing some of those limitations on yourself. Others we can debate.

I think that killing a 8-month old baby is JUST that

Killing an 8 month old would be murder. perhaps you were talking about a 32 week fetus?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Then maybe the next field trip should be to the Abortion clinic so the children can see how an abortion is performed.

Perhaps after that they can go see Operation Rescue in action. Why go to Afganistan when its much easier to see Domestic Terrorists here in our own country.

Since you don't have the heuvos to post in person, I should not bother, but what exactly does going on a field trip to an abortion clinic have to do with this marriage.

I realize the great lengths you went to construct this strawman, but really, if your going to post at least bring your B game

Originally posted by TKainZero
I champion the right for people to make thier OWN choices outside of goverment control.

Except for getting married?

For Gay rights, that means stomping on tradiotnal marrige, and making the words Mom and Dad illigal

I've never had ANYONE explain to me how gay marriage affects straight marriage. Can you tell me? How has this couple getting married affected your marriage? Or mine? Or anyone's? I'd really like to find this out, but no one's ever explained it.

Secondly, where do you get the idea that the words "mom" and "dad" are illegal?

I think marrige is between a man and a women (Civil unions are FINE)

Marriage can be between a man and a woman. And you get to choose that about your marriage. Is that not enough for you? Why do you get to decide the composition of other people's marriages?

The brainwashing has NEVER been this bad in recorded history.

So, if people disagree with you, they're brainwashed?

Gay rights groups want to have Marrige for homos so they can wave it in the face of legitimatly married couples.

Who's brainwashed again? Why can't it be that gay people want to get married for the same reasons that all of us do?

Typical...
Funny I think how the OP thought this would bring outrage from within' the ATS community.
2 people who love one another, is wrong now.......Yeah. Ok. Whatever.

Time for a special ATS field-trip of our own. We are going to the Lifeatarium to view into the lives of 2 distinct sections of people who have posted on this subject.

Everyone form into a single-file line.. Here we go. (HEY! Little "Lucid" put that paste down, you can't eat that! hehe).

Our first stop boys and girls is to the homes of Jethro and children, as Jethro is watching TV:
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Jethro: "Hey kidsssss! You gotta see this, look at all these FLAMING HOMOS on this here T.V."
Kids: "Daddy, what's a homo?"
Jethro: "Evil Evil Evil People that will go to hell, and will some day cause California to drop into the ocean!!! It says so right in this here bible. You must hate them as I hate them."
"Kids: But daddy, they look like they love each-other. Why is this bad?" (sniffle)
Jethro: "Go to your room! No dinner for you!"
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Our next stop, boys and girls is to the homes of Amy, and Children, as Amy is watching T.V.:
Amy: "T.V. Background noise.................."
Kids: Laughter, and playing heard in the background....
As they carry out a normal life.

This message has been brought to you by the letter: Lack of sleep --- and the number: Denying Ignorance.

Perhaps, all of the people on the right are... right.
These kids' minds are fragile and impressionable, how do you think they take it when they see this... what if it makes them want to be gay! What if it makes them grow up into liberals!!??

I have a plan though, how about we teach them about a place that has burning lakes of vomit and the screaming of tortured souls never ceases, a place where all of these "homos" and "whores" will go.Let's tell them about hell. Let's teach them about jesus and how he was brutally beaten and tortured before ultimately being nailed to the cross while still alive. That will raise us some "good" kids.

But seriously, the kids will understand the information in whatever way it is presented. The ones who were able to go to the wedding will have a lighthearted view on the issue while the ones who were kept from it will have a subconsciously negative opinion building.

If you can teach a kid about the complexity of eternity and on top of that eternal pain and suffering. Kids can handle seeing Gays/Lesbians getting married.

i am a "roygbiv" supporter and i think it's great btw

I think it's time the OP went outside and enjoyed people for who they are, not who they're with. The amount of insecurity displayed by some folks in this thread makes my colon rumble.

The good ol' religious doctrine of hate and alienation towards anyone that doesn't follow the ideology of the moment is slowly dwindling into taboo. Maybe we'll live to see a generation that doesn't see through the archaic mysticism of the past but through their own damned eyes.

The best thing a parent can teach to their children is inquisitive thought. If they succeed there, children will question even what their own parents say to be true and search for truth outside of anecdotal hearsay.

I think one of the funniest things I've ever seen on this board is the use of Bob Dylan lyrics in support of one of the most reactionary threads I've seen

Are people going to start citing the Grateful Dead to protest medical marijuana?

As for being afraid kids might grow up thinking it's normal for two women to love each other, so what?

I remember having an argument with my mom, when I was five or six years old, about how I was going to marry my best friend Jill when I grew up. My poor mom couldn't figure out how to explain to me why girls don't marry girls and boys don't marry boys.

I was a persistent and determined child, and she eventually agreed that if, when I grew up, I still wanted to marry a girl, I could.

I think it's great that her prediction is starting to come true.

But when I hit 12 or 13, something changed, a boy walked into the room in a way a boy had never walked into a room before. Turns out, no matter what I thought when I was 5, I'm not gay.

If I ever do have kids, I certainly hope that they will have teachers who are as caring as this teacher clearly is. I think it's wonderful these kids get one extra strong adult role model, and get to see how she lives her life.

Originally posted by americandingbat
I think one of the funniest things I've ever seen on this board is the use of Bob Dylan lyrics in support of one of the most reactionary threads I've seen

Yeah i was pretty shcoked myself and the only thing I could do was quote Dylan back. Its amazing people can hear the song, but not see the meaning.

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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Why would California school children need a permission slip from their parents to be taken somewhere by their school? California's courts already implicitly declared that home schooling was illegal and only the state was capible of educating (read: indoctrinating) children correctly. Obviously they know what's best for each child and the parents cannot be trusted to make the right decision, even where permission to go on a field trip is concerned. After all, children are the state's most valuable resource!

Actually last I heard that was struck down and it is still legal to home school your children.

I went to a catholic school girl for nuns and we would always have to do this type of stuff. even my meema she loved it.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I definitely wouldn't want to have to explain why those two women are kissing to my 6 year old. And if you don't think a 6 year old notices that usually only men and women are involved in that way then you all need to spend some time with a child.

I totally know a 6 year old would notice this... my question is, why would there be any problem explaining it to one?

"Those two women are kissing for the same reason mommy and I kiss... they love each other."

Wasn't that hard, really...

Originally posted by TKainZero
Clearskies,

Thank you for quoteing scripture.

I have never read a Religious text... But... i just may...

Keep quoteing from it..

Please...


Most people are so full of themselves that they either ignorte history, or are egotistical to the point were they think they are the first to think of something...


I read something that scared me to death...

It was from a tablet, THOUSANDS of years old, in ancient Assyria... It read,

"The young listen no tto the old, the girls run around like whores, the end of days is surely around th corner"

The Text was over 4000 years old...

This sexual devience is not new
this societial Greed is not new


There is GREAT knowledge in the religious texts...
Lessons...
Instructions...

Please...
Keep quoteing from the religious texts...

Like,
"A man shall not layth with a man as he would with a women"

WHOW.. don't let that one out... that will REALY piss off the leftists...

Please, keep quoting, i know NOTHING of the bilbe and OTHER religious texts...

for a text that is 2000 years old... Its SHOCKINGLY relevent..

another quote that i have fallen in love with over the past few weeks...

"Cast aside your false idols of gold and silver"
Wow... what a line... think that has any meaning on the global finnancial meltdown...

About as much as the first one does on our Social meltdown



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Now, im going to go listen to some bob dylan, and smoke a nice big cigar... and get bad looks from my neighbors... cause im just SO evil for hurting the enviroment by smoking...

[edit on 10/13/2008 by TKainZero]

Here is one for you.

The Gospel according to St. Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

mmmhmmm, let's keep on judging other people folks.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye.

Just another example of special rights for gays.

If this teacher was having a "normal" wedding, would this be news? Would the students have even went?

I am FOR Gay Marriage...If a gay man wants to marry a gay woman, government should not stop them.....but government should not allow them to marry a person of the same sex....that is a special right.