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1 John 5:7-8 (King James Version)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
13. Ch. 25 contains what some have seen as a reference to the disputed verse 1 John 5:7 (possible quote underlined): ... Qui tres unum sunt, non unus, quomodo dictum est, Ego et Pater unum sumus, .... ("Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These three are one [thing], not one [Person], as it is said, 'I and my Father are One,' in respect of unity of substance not singularity of number.") The verse of scripture is not normally thought to be part of the original text, and is found in no Greek MS, except one which may have been copied from the Latin. But some have seen in this chapter a reference to an ancient version of scripture that did contain it. See Elucidation III in the online translation for some more details. Souter's translation give it as a reference to 1 John 5:8.
* The reference to the three "witnesses" in heaven does not appear in a single early Greek manuscript. It was added to the Latin manuscripts, probably first in North Africa, being mentioned by Cyprian of Carthage in 258 and Augustine about the year 400.
* No Trinitarian concept could be read into the verse unless it had been previously derived from another source, especially since the text says “the Word” and not “the Son”. In other words, this passage does not teach a trinity. You would have to have been taught the Trinity from some other source, and then only when looking for supporting verses grab hold of 1 John 5:7-8.
* The passage was not known to any of the early Church Fathers, who would have had plenty of reason to quote it in their Trinitarian debates of the 4th century (for example, with the Arians), had it existed then.
* Modern Protestant and Catholic scholars and theologians readily admit that the passage is spurious, and was not a part of the original text. The verse has been rejected as a patent forgery by all competent critics, (though it was in 1897 solemnly pronounced genuine by Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical).
* Out of the thousands of manuscripts currently extant which contain the New Testament in Greek, the disputed passage only appears in eight. The oldest known occurrence appears to be a later addition to a 10th century manuscript now in the Bodleian Library.
* The Cambridge Paragraph Bible, an edition of the King James Version published in 1873, and edited by noted textual scholar F. H. A. Scrivener, one of the translators of the English Revised Version, set the 1 John 5:7-8 passage in italics to reflect its disputed authenticity, though not all later editions retain this formatting.
The earliest instance of the passage being quoted as a part of the actual text of the Epistle is in a fourth century Latin treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus (chap. 4), attributed either to the Spanish heretic Priscillian (died about 385) or to his follower Bishop Instantius. Apparently the gloss arose when the original passage was understood to symbolize the Trinity (through the mention of three witnesses; the Spirit, the water, and the blood), an interpretation which may have been written first as a marginal note that afterward found its way into the text. In the fifth century the gloss was quoted by Latin Fathers in North Africa and Italy as part of the text of the Epistle, and from the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the Vulgate. In these various witnesses the wording of the passage differs in several particulars. (For examples of other intrusions into the Latin text of 1 John, see 2.17; 4.3; 5.6; and 20.)
The trintiy exist and is biblical, and further more it's literally implanted on our Torsos. The heart is on the left, Jesus sits at Gods right hand, the right side of the chest represents jesus. The belly button represents the holy Ghost which scripture says dwells in the body area. Those three points have much more meaning then you can imagine and God is revealing this at this time in history.
The truth is there is no Trinity. Abraham has only ONE GOD, and same goes for the Patriarch, Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Nobody preached Trinity, it is the doctrine of the Devil seeking to mislead man from the straight path.
The Lord says, 'I and the Father are one' and likewise it is written of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 'And these three are one.
. . (he has not been consistent) in the way he has happened upon his terms; for after using Three in the masculine gender he adds three words which are neuter, contrary to the definitions and laws which you and your grammarians have laid down. For what is the difference between putting a masculine Three first, and then adding One and One and One in the neuter, or after a masculine One and One and One to use the Three not in the masculine but in the neuter, which you yourselves disclaim in the case of Deity?
But for starts I dont believe that the trinity is biblical.
Jesus was sent to earth to do God's will. This is the biggest things to destroy the trinity belief. jesus does'nt do his own will but God's will.
the bible says this
Hebrew 2:9 KJV
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
here made is not created or formed it is decreased.
we are told that the word was made flesh, here Jesus decreased to the level lower than angels, i.e man
as a man he also had the feelings etc of a man and was disconnected from the father.
this is why he is doing the will of God and not that of himself the man and the will of the flesh.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Because the Bible says the Word was with God and was God. Then it says, "Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us".
In John chapter 1 its says nothing of the holy ghost. It only talks about Jesus and God thats its. The new testiment talk more of Jesus being a son and a follower worshiper of God. Jesus prays man the first biggest clue to which point to Jesus has a God. Jesus calls God is own father other biggest clue. Jesus says that God is greater than him, and that he comes to do God's will not his own. Not to mention that the scripture says that the word was with God, if Jesus was with God that would make him God. Jesus is God's off spring. Jesus is God's son.
to accept the idea that the trinity is biblical would require loose definitions and "scretched" facts in order to fit the theory.