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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 09:17 AM by ExistenceUnknown
reply to post by wonkamaniac



The question you pose is irrelevant. Both parties agreed to spend 800,000,000,000 tax dollars, Both parties are creating more government to solve problems the free market should solve, Both parties want a continued presence in the middle east. I can twist statistics around all day long to show you which candidate is going to tax you less but the fact still remains that ALL of us who pay taxes will fork it over somehow.

Obama: "TAX THE CORPORATIONS"
Corporation: "ok they raised our taxes, charge the consumer more for the product so we can cut our losses."

McCain: "We will protect the world from Terroism" = Tax money.

These are just a few examples. Either way we lose.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by ExistenceUnknown]


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:05 AM by wonkamaniac
reply to post by ExistenceUnknown


Very good point, sir... You are correct. Under the current two party system, we don't have much of a choice here. Both candidates were vetted by the corporations before they were allowed to run.
That being said, I'll toss my hat in the ring with the guy who has started a grass-roots campaign long before the guy with lobbyist campaign advisors who can't seem to make up their mind what he believes in. The McCain campaign has truly been a comedy of errors. Let's see, which way are the winds blowing today??? I think I'll vote that way!
P.S. McCain gets a D on a report card put out by veteran's organizations. Obama ranked a B. Think about that next time someone tells you Obama is "against the troops"... Tis to laugh...


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:16 AM by mecheng
Mecheng's tax plan...

Take the record profits from the oil companies, who have been stealing from the public during the last 10 years...

Take the golden parachutes and insanely extravagant salaries from the CEO's of failed banks, which the public is now forced to bail out...

Take the profits from the contractors like Halliburton, who received no-bid contracts for work related to the illegal war in Iraq...

Take the equivalent profits from the 2/3 of the corporations, who are not paying any taxes...

Take the equivalent profits from the beyond-wealthy, the top 0.5% who own 95% of the country's wealth, who also are not paying any taxes...

And distribute that money equitably among the public, who have had to scratch and claw just to remain in their homes, pay for heat & electricity, and try to put food on their tables while having to watch time and time again, the ultra-wealthy criminals continue to steal from the poor without CONSEQUENCE, all the while living a life of unimaginable luxury...

And put these criminals BEHIND BARS, once and for all, where they belong...

And re-write the tax law completely and from scratch to make it FAIR and EQUITABLE, eliminating the refunds, rebates, etc, and the loop holes that only the privileged & the rich know about.

That's my tax plan... To allow EVERYONE to actually have a chance in this country... not just the criminal corporations and CEOs and the ultra-rich. The reason taxes are the way they are, and the reason nobody wants REAL change, is because the ultra-wealthy don't want anyone else to have a piece of their pie. So they say this is a redistribution of wealth, and it's unamerican, blah, blah, blah...


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:23 AM by wonkamaniac
reply to post by Alxandro


In case you haven't noticed, they've already redistributed the wealth. Does the word "bailout" ring a bell? Too late to worry about that, sir, as your taxes, your children's taxes, and your grandchildren's taxes are already "earmarked" to pay for the next CEO junket for AIG. You want to talk about socialism??? There it is, in a nutshell.
We're nationalizing banks, paying for stupid investments, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
Obama voted for this stupid legislation, just as McCain did... The ONLY difference is Obama promised once it's all over, someone will be held accountable. Not a word on that from McCain, because most of the future prisoners are riding on his "Straight Talk Express" with him right now.
I really hate "lesser of two evil" scenarios, but really, we're faced with one as we speak.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:27 AM by GamerGal
reply to post by mecheng



But that is Anti American. America was built on the super Wealthy owning slaves and everyone else being a farmer to raise their own food or hunt for the food. Hmm, Super Wealthy owning slaves... Why does that sound like what the Republicans are trying to do? Make it so we have to rely on their best friends and owners for food and shelter or else starve to death? Maybe that's why McCain plans to tax small businesses while cutting them for the top billionaires.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:32 AM by ExistenceUnknown
reply to post by wonkamaniac



But it shouldn't be a matter of picking the lesser of two evils. We shouldn't be forced to pick from TWO parties when there are many more to choose from. There are a few other people running for president that the MSM will never show. Ron Paul is man of integrity and principle that would do this country alot of good if he was still running for office, but he is not. I will vote for the man he supports, Chuck Baldwin, despite the cries from people who say that my vote won't count. It is this thought pattern that keeps us under the current lock and key of a two party system fed to us by the MSM.



reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:38 AM by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by ATruGod



You wont find me supporting the bailout in any thread. I don't support it.

But do 2 wrongs make a right?

Technically the bailout wasnt a distribution of wealth, it was adding a burden of future debt.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by Constitutional Scholar]


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:43 AM by ATruGod
Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to
post by ATruGod



You wont find me supporting the bailout in any thread. I don't support it.

But do 2 wrongs make a right?


You know what you are so right, 2 wrongs don't make a right, so screw the poor guiy because theres already been fleecing done and 2 wrongs dont make a right.

How about this...It was wrong to let this happen in the first place (the financial melt down), then it was wrong to bail them out, maybe 3 wrongs will make it right so yes lets start fleecing the corporations that have been fleecing us all these years.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:46 AM by GamerGal
reply to post by ATruGod



Don't you like that? According to them we need to sell everything we have, give it to the top 1%, and hope they make us house slaves and not field slaves. Socialism? The GOP has pulled off the greatest act of Socialism in history, not the Democrats. "But the bailout helps the friends of the GOP to destroy America before Obama can be elected and fix it!"


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:48 AM by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by ATruGod



How much of the blame for the economic meltdown rests on the shoulders of people who bought houses they couldnt afford?

Sure the big banks are responsible. But so are the people who didn't or couldnt pay their mortgage.

Reading an entire contract is something that seems a waste of time to most people.



reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:49 AM by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by GamerGal



Actually it was a democrat who passed the New Deal, the biggest piece of socialist legislation this country has ever been burdened by.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:59 AM by ATruGod
Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to
post by ATruGod



How much of the blame for the economic meltdown rests on the shoulders of people who bought houses they couldnt afford?

Sure the big banks are responsible. But so are the people who didn't or couldnt pay their mortgage.

Reading an entire contract is something that seems a waste of time to most people.


No..its the Big Banks fault, it was thier responsibility to do credit checks and make sure these people could afford thier payments.

Banks are crooked and out for nothing more than our money

Example:

I got a new house at the end of the year (last) they ran all my numbers and said oh you can afford about $900 a month in payments so you can afford this house.

Ok house is put in I wait to sign the paperwork, and wait, and wait. Come the end of the month (3 weeks after the house is done) they finally bring me in to sign paperwork...and your payments will be $1150. Now we can try and rewrite this (but they've already said its the best they can do) or they can sell it to someone else.

Ok this is fair, so now I sign the contract and try and suck up the payments or I walk away and try and sell it in this economy, so I have to suck up the payments because I have kids.

I've barely been managing but now I was laid off due to the economy.

Anyways my point is the banks dont care if anyone can make the payments because they'll just sell it over and over.

They are the cause they are the cure....fleece them do death.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 11:01 AM by mecheng
reply to post by Constitutional Scholar



I'm not a socialist. I believe in America, democracy, and capitalism. I'm just sick of being screwed by the corrupt... its gone on for too long and it needs to stop or capitalism will fail.

Now to clarify... for those people, wealthy, middle class, or poor, who make an honest living and pay their share in taxes... I have not a single problem with them. Its the crooks, liars, & cheaters who I have a problem with. Like many have said they have redistributed my wealth into their pockets... and I want my money back!
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