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posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by VDOG.45
He will raise taxes on all people making over $42,500 per year


LOL... Dude... Do your homework...
Tax CUTS for everyone under $250,000.
Go to his website, it's all there...
You do know how to use the web, right?
Oh, yeah, you posted here... I guess you do!




posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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Two things... maybe three. Barack Obama wants to "spread the wealth around" and just as Biden put it "take money" from those who work very hard and use their talents and ideas to prosper, and give that money to other people who don't have it. Secondly, Palosi and Reed are in Washington right now planning a tax increase on everyone even as we speak, making Obama's pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less that 250K per year worthless. This should be a wake up call to America. I don't know about you, but I don't want Obama to take my money away from me and give it to anyone else. I earned it. Lastly and most importantly, socialism, communism, whatever you call it does not work. Under socialism there is no incentive to succeed, to improve one's standard of living because the government will give you one. May I suggest that before you pull the lever, or push the button, or scan the card for president, that you ask yourself how much of what you have left do you want them to take away from you. I think the answer is simple, don't vote for the socialist, vote for the tax cutter overall.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
Barack Obama wants to "spread the wealth around" and just as Biden put it "take money" from those who work very hard and use their talents and ideas to prosper, and give that money to other people who don't have it.

Source, please, I very seriously doubt that either gentlemen ever said this...


Secondly, Palosi and Reed are in Washington right now planning a tax increase on everyone even as we speak, making Obama's pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less that 250K per year worthless.

If that is the case, and I seriously doubt it in a lame duck session... Bush will veto it anyway, making the entire point moot.

I don't know about you, but I don't want Obama to take my money away from me and give it to anyone else. I earned it.

Yes, you did earn it... Did you earn over $250,000 last year? If not, you are quite safe under the Obama tax plan.

Lastly and most importantly, socialism, communism, whatever you call it does not work. Under socialism there is no incentive to succeed, to improve one's standard of living because the government will give you one.

Ahhh... on that point we agree to a degree. Ever use the public library? Socialist! Ever use Fire or Police services? Socialist! Ever attend a public school? Socialist! Does someone pick up your trash every week? Socialist! Socialism is not necessarily a dirty word, sir, depends on how you apply it. When it comes to the free market, I agree. Socialism is a bad thing there, but Regulations and Congressional Oversight are a good thing in the Market, as they tend to keep blind greed in check!

May I suggest that before you pull the lever, or push the button, or scan the card for president, that you ask yourself how much of what you have left do you want them to take away from you. I think the answer is simple, don't vote for the socialist, vote for the tax cutter overall.

I suggest that you look towards your local Senators and Congressmen for that answer. How many of them voted for the bailout? That is what really going to hit you hard in the end. McCain and Obama both voted for this travesty, no choice there. But you do have a choice with your local representatives... Think about it.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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You really think it's just that simple dont you?

Very typical of the average American voter.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by Constitutional Scholar]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Are you living under a rock? Just yesterday Obama said he wanted to spread the wealth around to a plumber and it's on tape. And Biden said it was patriotic to pay more taxes. Seriously wake up. I don't want to hear any piss ant whining from Obama voters when their middle class taxes are jacked up.

I however can raise holy hell because I am against my taxes going up to and I'm not voting for Obama. I may vote McCain or Barr or write-in I haven't decided.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
And Biden said it was patriotic to pay more taxes.


For all the anti-tax folks heere, en.wikipedia.org...


The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, commonly called the Interstate Highway System (or simply, the Interstate System), is a network of limited-access highways (also called freeways or expressways) in the United States that is named for the President who championed its creation. The Interstate Highway System is a separate system within the larger National Highway System. The entire system, as of 2004
Important Topic Updates
, has a total length of 46,837 miles (75,376 km), making it both the largest highway system in the world and the largest public works project in history.


Do you even doubt that the Interstate System is an engine in the locomotive of the American economy and defense capabilities? Fact is, you take so much for granted while levying this charge against anybody you preceive as a socialist. Your life is moderately comfortable due to a myriad of activities financed by our taxes, and seeing you for the scrooges you are, I doubt that you'd voluntarily part with money to pay for things like Interstate or scientific research. One "Constitutional Scholar" in this board is bragging about his ability to dodge taxes. He doesn't feel any compunction driving on an Interstate the rest of us paid for. extra DIV



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:46 AM
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Uh, the government has Constitutional authorization to use taxpayer money to build post roads.

Ever see those USPS trucks on the interstate?

Of course you have.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
Ever see those USPS trucks on the interstate?

Of course you have.


Well I hope I don't see you on an Interstate because if that's the case, you are freeloading.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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Not quite.

Ever heard of the taxes paid on gas?

I have 4 vehicles. 2 for business, and 2 for personal use.

Chances are great that I pay more in taxes on gasoline (which are used to build roads) than you do.

So get the hell off my road.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
Chances are great that I pay more in taxes on gasoline (which are used to build roads) than you do.


Wait! You are against taxes, right? So you must argue against gasoline tax which is a stinking socialist trick to take us to cleaners, right?



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:07 AM
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Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan

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posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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Source, please, I very seriously doubt that either gentlemen ever said this...


He said it , seen it reported, the words flowing right out of his mouth and Biden's

minx.cc...

Joe Biden: Be Patriotic Pay Higher Taxes
www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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Obama's 95% Illusion

online.wsj.com...




It's a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he's also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut."


Listen, I am one of the below middle class poor in this country,

[edit on 113131p://bWednesday2008 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by wonkamaniac

Originally posted by VDOG.45
He will raise taxes on all people making over $42,500 per year


LOL... Dude... Do your homework...
Tax CUTS for everyone under $250,000.
Go to his website, it's all there...
You do know how to use the web, right?
Oh, yeah, you posted here... I guess you do!


If you really believe the Obama website... I have some Ocean front property for sale in Arizona and a Bridge in New York City.

Wake up and stop drinking the koolaid of the Communist Obama


NOBAMA '08 - Don't vote for the Communist Manifesto - Just don't vote at all, considering you don't have a clue to anything



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Obama's 95% Illusion

online.wsj.com...




It's a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he's also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut."


Listen, I am one of the below middle class poor in this country,

[edit on 113131p://bWednesday2008 by Stormdancer777]


Dont worry more will be joining you soon Both candidates wil end up raising taxes mark my words.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by VDOG.45
Wake up and stop drinking the koolaid of the Communist Obama


That does it, VDOG.

Two red flags in one sentense, blah. I thought the only place koolaid was served in this fashion was the Hannity forum. You'd feel quite comfortable there. No thinking required, you know.

As for "Communism", you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about -- this comes from a person who was born in a Communist country and now is a happy US citizen (minus my minor unhappiness due to moronic neocons in power)
Sheesh



[edit on 15-10-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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Dont worry more will be joining you soon Both candidates wil end up raising taxes mark my words.


No doubt,

but he poor get poorer




posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Bunch
Obama's tax policies are about fairness and stimulating the economy.



So first, let throw away this notion that Obama is a socialist becasue of the tax policy he wants to implement.

Is he going to raise taxes? YES,

For what purpose? To stimulate the economy by giving much deserved tax cuts to the middle class and the poor.

How is he going to pay for it? By letting the Bush tax cuts expire, by increase taxes on oil companies, by increasing taxes on the top 5% of earners.

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The poor and most lower-middle-class don't pay taxes.


[edit on 15-10-2008 by wookiee]



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
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Uh, if you are referring to the income tax, the poor pay none,


True enough, how can someone pay what they don't have? Even the IRS sees this cold, hard fact of life.


and large chunks of the middle class pay little to none.


Hereby showing you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Actually, the middle class in this country pay the lion's share of the tax burden. Think about it, kind of makes sense, considering they are the largest demographic and are the engine this economy runs on.


The lions share of the tax burden rests on the shoulders of the "wealthy", yet those who pay none reap the rewards.


Wow... what nation are you speaking about. Actually, the tax laws are written in favor of the wealthy. If you make enough money to itemize and save all those receipts, you are allowed to deduct a huge portion of your income. Add to that the fact that the wealthy can actually afford a good CPA to help them with their taxes and find every allowable loophole, and the truly wealthy pay minimal taxes.


Socialism has no place in this nation, regardless of who is proposing it.

The atrocity known as public education is both unconstitutional and a giant money vacuum.


While I agree that the state of our public education system is seriously atrocious at this point, it was not always in the shape it is currently. It is obvious you have no children. Trust me when I tell you, if you did, you would quickly change your mind on this point.
I've said it before, and I will say it again, the constitution specifically provides for the "general welfare". Their job is to keep us safe, provide services such as police, fire, ambulance, trash service, AND education. I love debating you, and I don't mean anything I say here to you as an insult. We disagree on many things, and that is a good thing in this country. America was founded on the principle of compromise.
Here is something very unconstitutional:
The way this country has used the Military to spread its policies around the world is the most unconstitutional thing I can think of. If you will read that precious document, you will find that the Military is specifically to be used for defense purposes only. I know I'm going to get flamed for "not supporting the troops". That is not the case. The best way to support the troops is to use them only when attacked. In this world, we no longer need bases all around the world to protect our "interests". The military-industrial complex (yes, they really do exist) does not want you to know this because, well, it would cut into their profits and take a large measure of their power away. I proudly served my country, and would gladly lay my life on the line if there were an external threat. I would gladly follow Bin Laden to the gates of Hell, if necessary. However, this administration has not bothered to do so. The best way to support the troops is to bring them home to their families and give them the maximum benefits that we as a society can afford. It's not rocket science, just plain common sense.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by VDOG.45
NOBAMA '08 - Don't vote for the Communist Manifesto - Just don't vote at all, considering you don't have a clue to anything


LOL... you're just upset because your wonderful policies have been proven to be a failure. Oh, and by the way, McCain was once a "Maverick" when he used to defend privacy rights and campaign finance reform. However, he had to give that title up once he started courting the lobbyists, "agents of intolerance" (his words not mine), and the right wingnut NeoCONS who have bankrupted this country. Funny how when times are tight in America, the general populace runs screaming into the arms of the Democrats. Have you seen the poll figures lately? If I don't have a clue, then neither does 56% of America right now. Face it, unless your beloved brownshirts steal yet another election, the time of your failed "Reaganomics" is over. I'm not the only one who believes that, just ask George Soros... You know who he is, right?





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