Anyone see the democratic mouthpiece on Fox this morning?

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posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Bob Beckel, a democratic commentator on Fox news was on this morning and in a debate with a republican commentator, he stated "People try to call Obama a socialist, but that just isnt the case.....there is nothing wrong with taking money from a group of people and giving it to others. "

That is income redistribution, it is unconstitutional, yet it is a foundation of the democrats platform.

I am not a republican, nor a democrat, but socialism must not be allowed to grow, or we will all be screwed in the end.

[edit on 13-10-2008 by Constitutional Scholar]




posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
there is nothing wrong with taking money from a group of people and giving it to others. "


WHAT???



How can anyone possibly believe that? For some reason the government has developed some sort of Robin Hood complex and feel that it's their job to steal from the "rich" and give to the "poor". Although that isn't the case anyway, all they are doing is reducing the drive for hard work in this country. Why work and make something of yourself if the government is just going to take it?

It occurred to me the other day that the Democrats and Obama have been preaching a lot about the "American Dream" lately. Apparently, they only support the American Dream up to $250,000 a year. After that, you're the enemy and the problem.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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NYK537,

I absolutley see and understand what you're saying here, and the rest of your activity here as well for that matter.

I have a big problem though with the left hijacking the Robin Hood legend to normalize socialism. Let's not forget that Robin Hood didn't "steal from the rich and give to the poor." What Robin Hood really did in the story was steal from the gov't taxman and return those taxes to the overburdened people!



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Although that isn't the case anyway, all they are doing is reducing the drive for hard work in this country. Why work and make something of yourself if the government is just going to take it?

That is absolutely true. In addition to being a disincentive for those that make more than $250,000, it is also a disincentive for people on welfare. Why work when the government will just GIVE IT TO YOU anyway.
It is not in the Democratic party's interest to stop the practice, because they want to keep people dependent upon them for handouts. Those people are, in effect, slaves, slaves to the Democratic party.
If those on welfare that can work, won't work, they will condemn their families to eternal welfare, with no hope of getting out. (No trolls, now, I am only talking about those on welfare that are able to work, and refuse to.)



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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I think capitalism, for better or worse, is at least partially about "taking money from a group of people and giving it to others". So argument about whether it's kosher or not is moot.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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How is government stealing from one and giving to another a part of capitalism?

Lets face it, the democrats hypocritically believe the wealthy are evil. They want big government (the Bush admin does too), but freedom minded people know big government isn't conducive to liberty.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
How is government stealing from one and giving to another a part of capitalism?


I'm going to have to agree with C.S on this and request an answer.

How do you see Capitalism as a farm of redistribution?

I've never known you to answer a direct question, but maybe that's just when I ask them, so answer the one C.S asked....



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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Liberty are the freedoms given to you by government. That can be taken away at any time, so why would you want liberty. You must be talking about you just want your god given right to freedom.

Bush and others have increased government so both sides want socialism. Which group in america is like the stasi, i assume you have some group, with all those agencies you have.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
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Liberty are the freedoms given to you by government. That can be taken away at any time, so why would you want liberty. You must be talking about you just want your god given right to freedom.

Bush and others have increased government so both sides want socialism. Which group in america is like the stasi, i assume you have some group, with all those agencies you have.


I do not believe in "god", so in my opinion, there is no god given right to freedom. Everyone is born free, it is government that enslaves them. The only matter up for debate is to what extent they are enslaved.

Personally I believe each and every government official who supports any policy that infringes upon an individuals freedom should be swinging from the nearest tree.

Each and every victimless law needs to be abolished. Each and every income redistribution policy needs to be eradicated, and each and every politician who voted for either of them needs to be executed.

The American version of the stasi could be identified as any number of groups from the DEA, to Homeland Security, to every local police department.

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posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Bob Beckel, a democratic commentator and renowned 'foot-in-mouth' socialist, has a record of blatant mistatements when trying to 'clarify' things he's spouted in the past. Anyone who dares to disagree with him and gets under his skin gets responses that get him in trouble!! He's a party hack, like most of the talking heads on the tube!

Zindo



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537

How do you see Capitalism as a farm of redistribution?



Well sheesh, look at the events of the past few weeks, with certain people making off with millions, and millions of other people being in financial jeopardy. Do you just pretend you didn't see any of that?



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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No I saw it, and that is corruption in the Capitalist system, not redistribution of wealth.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
there is nothing wrong with taking money from a group of people and giving it to others. "
[edit on 13-10-2008 by Constitutional Scholar]

...Isn't that, um...STEALING?!



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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Yes it is, which thereby makes each and every politician who support such policies guilty of quite a few crimes.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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Obama's tax policies are about fairness and stimulating the economy.

While many conservative support the idea of trickle down economics, which has been proved to be an economic fallacy during the Bush Administration and McCain supports it, the Obama camp is basically appealing for a form of windfall tax and when it comes to tax policy obviously one side gets screwed usually, sometimes both, but in this case one.

For the last 8 years its been the high income earners, big corporations that have benefited from this to no benefit of the country. Last time a form of windfall tax was used was during the Clinton administration and we had a booming economy and he manage to leave office with a surplus.

So first, let throw away this notion that Obama is a socialist becasue of the tax policy he wants to implement.

Is he going to raise taxes? YES,

For what purpose? To stimulate the economy by giving much deserved tax cuts to the middle class and the poor.

How is he going to pay for it? By letting the Bush tax cuts expire, by increase taxes on oil companies, by increasing taxes on the top 5% of earners.

Is it fair? On a fair world NO, but given the current economic situation I think his policy is acceptable.

My view on Obama tax policies is that it is ok as long as he keeps his vision on why he is rasing taxes, if it is to create more big government then he should go to hell with his tax increases.

The benefits of his tax plan need to be tangible to those he is saying he is going to help, no a repeat of Bush tax policies.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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So first, let throw away this notion that Obama is a socialist becasue of the tax policy he wants to implement.


Come on, Bunch, you know that Obama's policies are socialist. Here, from his own mouth, is him telling a plumber he wants to "spread the wealth around":

Obama Tells Tax-Burdened Plumber the Plan is to ‘Spread the Wealth Around’

Obama tells plumber he wants to spread the wealth around



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Bunch
Obama's tax policies are about fairness and stimulating the economy.

While many conservative support the idea of trickle down economics, which has been proved to be an economic fallacy during the Bush Administration and McCain supports it, the Obama camp is basically appealing for a form of windfall tax and when it comes to tax policy obviously one side gets screwed usually, sometimes both, but in this case one.

For the last 8 years its been the high income earners, big corporations that have benefited from this to no benefit of the country. Last time a form of windfall tax was used was during the Clinton administration and we had a booming economy and he manage to leave office with a surplus.

So first, let throw away this notion that Obama is a socialist becasue of the tax policy he wants to implement.

Is he going to raise taxes? YES,

For what purpose? To stimulate the economy by giving much deserved tax cuts to the middle class and the poor.

How is he going to pay for it? By letting the Bush tax cuts expire, by increase taxes on oil companies, by increasing taxes on the top 5% of earners.

Is it fair? On a fair world NO, but given the current economic situation I think his policy is acceptable.

My view on Obama tax policies is that it is ok as long as he keeps his vision on why he is rasing taxes, if it is to create more big government then he should go to hell with his tax increases.

The benefits of his tax plan need to be tangible to those he is saying he is going to help, no a repeat of Bush tax policies.


Fairness? Surely you are joking right?

How is it fair to give "tax cuts" to people that dont pay a cent of income taxes, while simultaneously raising taxes on others just because "they can afford it"?



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:55 PM
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You are well within your right to call them socialist, I disagree, unless I see he is UNFAIRLY placing the tax burden on the 5% of society then I will agree.

Right now it looks to me as a tax policy plan aimed not to punish but to stimulate and give a much needed relief to the middle class.

Now if he comes back and jacks the tax rate to something like 50% now THATS UNFAIR. And let me be clear I would love to live in a country where no taxes where collected but the reality is different and right now we need a change in policy and I take Obama's plan over McCain plans which basically amounts to Bush plan.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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You are over generalizing, you are either trolling or want me to engage you in a futile and endless arguement, thats not how I operate here. But I will address your post.

No I'm not joking and no Obama's plan at its core is not design to redistribute wealth, is about giving relief to thos that most needed and thats the middle class, I'm in the middle class so I'm happy about his plan, last time I check I pay taxes.

If there is something that McCain and Obama agree is that the middle class is in dire need and I happen to think that Obama has the better plan to increase and provide relief to us.

That something that if McCain would have focus more on, could very well giving him an advantage or at least level the playing field against Obama, the problem with McCain's plan is that he has no plan.



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Where should socialism end exactly then? The roads? Power? Utilities? Network infrastructure? Postal service? Schools? You do realize the problem here is not socialism, it is just how much. Unless you live independantly of the United States and are broadcasting over...ah well, we have been through all that before. So, just curious what level of socialism is ok.





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